'Buy local' sells in other Pa. casino towns

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David LeVan's promise to give preference to Adams County businesses and residents if he's granted a gaming resort license might make good political sense locally at a time of economic uncertainty.
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LogicPrevails

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#187
Apr 5, 2010
 
I guess that because Bill didn't come back with any proof then we must all know he really is Elmer Fudd :)
Nile Grazowski

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#188
Apr 5, 2010
 
I don't know Bill

I am a no casino guy and I have not "figured out" that you are right about these accusations yet. Seems like Logic is still pretty free to debate with you.

Seems like the only person you have believing you is the one and only "Blunda from Down Unda!" Libby M.. Congrats on that.

The burden of proof lies with you and you have not produced yet. If what you say is true I will actually applaud your efforts to root it out. I am far from prepared to do that.

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#189
Apr 5, 2010
 
Nile Grazowski wrote:
I don't know Bill
I am a no casino guy and I have not "figured out" that you are right about these accusations yet. Seems like Logic is still pretty free to debate with you.
Seems like the only person you have believing you is the one and only "Blunda from Down Unda!" Libby M.. Congrats on that.
The burden of proof lies with you and you have not produced yet. If what you say is true I will actually applaud your efforts to root it out. I am far from prepared to do that.
Exactly what kind of proof do you people want?
Libby Mitchell

Australia

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#190
Apr 5, 2010
 
Nile Grazowski:

Hey Nile..your 'down unda blunda' comments amuse me...quite clever really...but they remind me of Gandhi: "First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you...and then you win"!

So that keeps me going ok...

I have not seen anyone from the Pro's come out and state that Bill is WRONG either.

As someone pointed out, the complaint has been made and the issue will have 'burden of proof' problems...does not mean that it was not true.

More to the point, LogicPrevails has caused this to simmer as he has not done a single thing to rebutt properly, Bill's questions and claims.

What is more...it would have been handy for another OR the real Kurt Schmundt to have made a clear, explanatory public statement on behalf of the PGCB, to declare that he is not LogicPrevails?
It may not have proven much but it might have at least helped?

Can't blame people for suspecting / assuming based upon likelihood...since Logic has fuelled this for way too long now...this is not a court of law. It is a world-wide community public discussion. Logic is a disgrace. He has brought this sneering upon himself. IMO

JustMyHonestOpinion? It could have helped if Logic had disclosed to anybody trustworthy, safely, IF he is too scared of public indentity-disclosing...his actual real name?

Until then LogicPrevails is fairly seen as a weak little anonymous blowhard who has lost all credibility. He is able to be cocky because he knows his dirty little secret is quite safe, maybe? Of course you guys may all support the doubt/ the anonymity publicly...but how do you feel about the man (?) privately?

At least with Bill Kearney, Ron Buffington and others for example...we may disagree...but we DO know each other's names. We know that we are speaking with a 'real' person...not some gutless 'plant'.
Bill Kearney

Philadelphia, PA

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#191
Apr 5, 2010
 
LogicPrevails wrote:
This is Bill's 'loose grip on reality' mentality. Guilty until proven innocent, twofold if he made it up himself.
This is why NCG didn't want you Bill. You'll lie to try and make a point, no matter how outlandish and false.
You are so full of S*** and everybody from both side of the issue knows it. If you have proved me wrong Kurt Schmundt ‘AKA’ LogicPrevails/CASINO DOPE #1 PGCB employee then you should be able to produce the thread that contains that information, not this garbage. And when it comes to the time of day that you posted your ridiculous comments has to do with you being a Technical Field Representative, which means that you are on the road and our using your laptop. Now if you are not who I say you are Kurt Schmundt ‘AKA’ LogicPrevails/CASINO DOPE #1 PGCB employee, then who are you?
Nile Grazowski

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Apr 6, 2010
 
JustMyHonestOpinion wrote:
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Exactly what kind of proof do you people want?
Well, if Bill were correct about this guy do you think he'd still be posting as before? If Bill were right I would think that would not be occuring and would think that this guy would be in some trouble. I have seen no evidence of that.
Bill Kearney

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#193
Apr 6, 2010
 
Nile Grazowski wrote:
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Well, if Bill were correct about this guy do you think he'd still be posting as before? If Bill were right I would think that would not be occuring and would think that this guy would be in some trouble. I have seen no evidence of that.
Oh don’t you CASINO DOPES from bothe sides of the fence worry I got Kurt Schmundt ‘AKA’ LogicPrevails/CASINO DOPE #1 PGCB employee more then dead to right. And the only reason why he’s not feeling the heat from his employer is because the last thing they want to do is bring more attention to me and my cause.

Open these links and see why

CBS NEWS - http://www.blip.tv/file/2958218

KDKA - http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm ...

ABC 6 - http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm ...

WFMZ's 69 - http://www.veoh.com/browse/videos/category/ne ...

WBRE - TV - http://pahomepage.com/content/fulltext/ ...#

CN8 - http://www.blip.tv/file/708140/

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#194
Apr 6, 2010
 
Bill Kearney wrote:
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Oh don’t you CASINO DOPES from bothe sides of the fence worry I got Kurt Schmundt ‘AKA’ LogicPrevails/CASINO DOPE #1 PGCB employee more then dead to right. And the only reason why he’s not feeling the heat from his employer is because the last thing they want to do is bring more attention to me and my cause.
Again with the delusions of grandeur Bill...you're still just not that important. You're really grasping at trying to keep your fabrication alive now, aren't you?

Didn't someone else say earlier you'd cook up a government conspiracy? And there it is - according the Bill, the entire PGCB is keeping mum about me because Bill is that formidable an opponent. ROTFLMAO

So Bill...I'm wondering when you're going to mount a revolution against Sheetz. They are open 24/7, which not all other gas stations are. They offer free coffee, which not all other gas stations do. You don't get a receipt for your free coffee! To top it all off, they have made to order food, which is something the other gas stations really can't compete with.

How long until you declare the Sheetz business model no better than the casino?
USN Retired

Gettysburg, PA

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#195
Apr 7, 2010
 
Libby Mitchell wrote:
USN Retired;
I find it curious that Pro's constantly bring the casino issue back to one of "personal responsibility of the GAMBLER" when in fact the casino issue is MOST important because of the negative impact it will have on most OTHERS in the Gettysburg area...the MAJORITY!!...The people who will not even GAMBLE in that casino!!
These people include MANY innocent, powerless family, friends, neighbours, retailers, traders, employers, tourists and especially vulnerable children...NONE of whom should be expected to "crusade" anywhere...just so that SOME MINORITY of people can GAMBLE at all...least of all gamble excessively...to THEN harm OTHERS.
It is very interesting that although the MINORITY will likely gamble excessively...of the next MINORITY who will likely gamble at all...that the NET LOSS will still be EXCESSIVE for the MAJORITY of community members, because 40-50% of gambled casino takings...that will represent many many millions of lost dollars...maybe $25-30 million...will VERY likely come from around just a MINORITY...the 1440+ people who overspend on gambling. These gamblers could well harm over 10,080 people IF trends elsewhere are followed.
Why should ANY other person be forced to "crusade" or even be labelled as a "crusador" or moral zealot or whatever....JUST because the MINORITY PRETEND that their gambling is going to help Gettysburg....when the ONLY reasonable result is that it very much could harm it?
No matter how many people say they want a casino...they are only GUESSING...based upon what they knew when asked. The EVIDENCE from other nearby areas is NOT telling us that a casino is a good, productive, high employing, HAPPY business that ADDS to local community strength...let alone a local HERITAGE image...that Gettysburg is known for already!
Pro's please STOP talking of personal responsibility...STOP talking of just some casino benefits and START talking about the NET LOSS that will likey occur...for the MAJORITY of people who will most likely be harmed...as a result of your MINORITY but VERY loss-laden activity.
Most of the people you are talking about already play the lottery or travel to gamble else where. Proven that low income people spend their money trying to be rich on the lottery, which should go to help older Pennsylvanians, which I believe most does not and could be spread out to help lower taxes state wide, by funding schools with the lottery money, but thats another issue. All I'm saying is get the unemployment rate up in Adams county. My opinion is the Battle Field is a sacred place but that does not mean stop all existance in the area because of it. These soldiers died in a belief that they were making America better by defending there cause, so honor them YES, but live on and develope some of the surrounding land to support those that still call this county home.
Libby Mitchell

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#196
Apr 7, 2010
 
USN Retired;

I do understand that we are working to the same goals really USN...however we differ in that I and a lot of others believe that casinos do bring some jobs but they lose twice as many local jobs or more, in the process of coming.

These casinos are not the 'saviours' that people seem to think they are, when all of the world wide reports are put together. In view of the damage to the heritage image of Gettysburg that a casino represents, especally its negative impact upon heritage tourists, I only wish that locals could find or seek or develop themselves, safer new business.

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#197
Apr 7, 2010
 
Libby Mitchell wrote:
I and a lot of others believe that casinos do bring some jobs but they lose twice as many local jobs or more, in the process of coming.
Opinion, not fact. If it's a fact, please tell us which local jobs will be lost.
Libby Mitchell wrote:
I only wish that locals could find or seek or develop themselves, safer new business.
Please elaborate on what types of businesses would better suit the area, and why they cannot coexist with the casino.
Libby Mitchell

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#199
Apr 8, 2010
 
LogicPrevails?(or whoever)

I gave the widely studied FACT that casinos lose from the community twice as many jobs as they bring. I did not discuss what jobs in particular, nor need I...I spoke in numbers...not descriptions.

I did not say that other healthier, more appropriate businesses cannot coexist with a casino...though a casino would not help them...I said that a casino would not coexist well with Gettysburg, its local community, its businesses and the Battlefields.

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#200
Apr 8, 2010
 
Bossy Aussie, you are in AUSTRALIA. Your opinion about how anything coexists in Gettysburg is worthless. You know nothing about the people, its businesses, or the battlefield.

How pathetic is it that you can't devote as much time to your local issues? Or is it that they can't tolerate your long-winded babbling either?
Libby Mitchell

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#201
Apr 8, 2010
 
LogicPrevails:

How do you know that I do not take equal time supporting anti-casino citizens in Australia who are actively fighting to ward of predatory casino harms, just like in Gettysburg?

However that is also irrelevant to the Gettysburg heritage and gambling consumer issues. You make way too many exclusive assumptions LogicPrevails. YOU have made yourself irrelevant to this public conversation, very much because of posts like the above. They are all you can think of to say? Think for once and come up with a REAL objection. You are the saddest anonymous game in town! Sadly all but you no doubt know that! Some use you to the hilt...others ignore you. What a testimonial.

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