War Vet Asks King To Remove Cross Fro...

War Vet Asks King To Remove Cross From Memorial

There are 46 comments on the Fox 8 WGHP story from Sep 22, 2010, titled War Vet Asks King To Remove Cross From Memorial. In it, Fox 8 WGHP reports that:

An Afghanistan war veteran has given officials in King until Friday to remove a cross from a memorial to war dead.

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tina miller

King, NC

#1 Sep 22, 2010
this or the flag should be removed.....like it or not this is pretty much a christian community, if you dont like it leave..............
tina miller

King, NC

#2 Sep 22, 2010
should not be removed...correction on previous post.........
Lokari

Downers Grove, IL

#3 Sep 23, 2010
tina miller wrote:
this or the flag should [not] be removed.....like it or not this is pretty much a christian community, if you dont like it leave.
Nonsense. It's a US community, subject to the laws of the US, primary among which is the Constitution. From the little information given in the news story, it would appear that the cross may be in violation of the First Amendment.
The Constitution is the fundamental law governing this country. If you don't like it, leave.
christina

Kernersville, NC

#4 Sep 23, 2010
of course he wants to still remain anonymous..........get over it already!
The man is a coward

Winston Salem, NC

#5 Sep 23, 2010
What is he afraid of we already know who he is. and who his friends are. He is no hero. He is just trying to show he hates GOD. He is one of his fathers children as are his friends
Winston Salem

Winston Salem, NC

#6 Sep 23, 2010
Lokari go read you constitution the founding fathers would have never done this This is the evil that has come out of the hearts of the New Age of Government. You can't find seperation of church and state in the constitution it does not exist You are living the lie of History rewritten
Tamerlane

Tallahassee, FL

#7 Sep 23, 2010
tina miller wrote:
this or the flag should be removed.....like it or not this is pretty much a christian community, if you dont like it leave..........
And that Christian community has to obey the Constitution of the United States just like everyone else.

If you don't like it, leave. I'm sure you can find some flight to Tehran, where they don't have separation of church and state.
Tamerlane

Tallahassee, FL

#8 Sep 23, 2010
Winston Salem wrote:
Lokari go read you constitution the founding fathers would have never done this This is the evil that has come out of the hearts of the New Age of Government. You can't find seperation of church and state in the constitution it does not exist You are living the lie of History rewritten
You cannot find the word "privacy" or "Internet" either. Does that mean you have no protection against the government snooping in your e-mails? Eh?

Reading the Constitution is only the beginning of understanding the law. Go read the cases that prove your assertion above wrong.
Lokari

Mount Prospect, IL

#9 Sep 23, 2010
Winston Salem wrote:
Lokari go read you constitution the founding fathers would have never done this This is the evil that has come out of the hearts of the New Age of Government. You can't find seperation of church and state in the constitution it does not exist You are living the lie of History rewritten
I've read it. And I've studied the case history that is derived from it. It's a shame that so many people have not done similar research.

I've watched Christians try to jam their religion down the nation's throat countless times. And every time they're stopped, they scream discrimination against Christianity. Funny, though, I can't recall a case where Muslims or Wiccans or Buddhists have tried to force symbols of their faith into government venues. Maybe Christianity has forgotten that respect is a two way street.
U D Side

Winston Salem, NC

#10 Sep 24, 2010
tina miller wrote:
this or the flag should be removed.....like it or not this is pretty much a christian community, if you dont like it leave..........
Does America have a cultural heritage of being a “Christian Nation”

Hear it from the ‘horse’s mouths’ so to speak.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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You Decide.
King Sentry

King, NC

#11 Sep 24, 2010
Lokari wrote:
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Nonsense. It's a US community, subject to the laws of the US, primary among which is the Constitution. From the little information given in the news story, it would appear that the cross may be in violation of the First Amendment.
The Constitution is the fundamental law governing this country. If you don't like it, leave.
What does people from Illinois know about the constitution. Has Lokari ever read the constiution? Has anyone in Illinois ever read the constitution? Definitely a state in question.

“Cynical Scumbag”

Since: Jan 10

Lima Peru

#12 Sep 24, 2010
Lokari wrote:
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Funny, though, I can't recall a case where Muslims or Wiccans or Buddhists have tried to force symbols of their faith into government venues.
If Christians strap on bombs and blow up Catholics and atheists will you like them better? I would say killing others because they do not bow to mo-hammed a forceful act.
thereligionofpeace.com

You are blind, stupid or just trying to start a internet "fight".
Lokari

Mount Prospect, IL

#13 Sep 24, 2010
King Sentry wrote:
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What does people from Illinois know about the constitution. Has Lokari ever read the constiution? Has anyone in Illinois ever read the constitution? Definitely a state in question.
The correct phrasing of the question is "What do people...", not "does".

Of course, the grammatical flaw in your question is completely eclipsed by the logical fallacy it represents. Lacking a cogent, meaningful reply, and apparently unable to muster a fact-based argument, you resort to a sad attack of my knowledge based on nothing more than where I currently reside. The irony is only made richer by the fact that you're posting from the state in which this apparent violation of the US Constitution occurred.
Lokari

Mount Prospect, IL

#14 Sep 24, 2010
smutt butt wrote:
If Christians strap on bombs and blow up Catholics and atheists will you like them better?
Such behavior certainly wouldn't be new to Christianity. Witness the murder of George Tiller by Scott Roeder. The years of violence in Ireland. The witchcraft trials of Europe and colonial America. The Crusades. The Inquisition. The number of heinous acts committed by Christians in the name of Christ is frankly staggering.
smutt butt wrote:
I would say killing others because they do not bow to mo-hammed a forceful act.
Indeed, but you make a serious error. First, of course, is the comparison of attempting to insert one's religious doctrines into the activities of the state with acts of terrorism. Those two things are so far removed from one another as to make the comparison ludicrous.

Put it this way - those terrorists are no more true Muslims than the folks at Westboro Baptist Church are true Christians.

Second is that, of Muslims, only a tiny fraction of a percent have engaged in such violence. By comparison, a large minority, possibly even a majority, of US Christians seem to think that their faith should not be subject to the First Amendment. Indeed, every time one of these cases comes up, Christians rush to holler lies about how they are discriminated against and that this is a Christian nation.

Seriously, if you want to make an argument to support the display of these Christian symbols in government settings, you really need to stay away from pointing fingers at Muslims. Christianity's hands are every bit as bloody, and the activities of radical Muslims is utterly irrelevant to the fact that this Christian display may violate the First Amendment.
Dino Gianni

Tobaccoville, NC

#15 Sep 24, 2010
OK, it is government property. I do understand the constitution. I also realize this great country was founded on these values. Look at your money. It says in God we trust. Are you going to burn your money and claim that God is pushed down your throat? This flag and cross is at a veterans memorial at a park. If the vets want it, then they should have it.
Anonymous

Elizabethtown, KY

#16 Sep 25, 2010
Maybe someone should remind this coward, the city atty, and the ACLU when necessary, that the cross was ORIGINALLY a pagan symbol, so it can stand for an atheist as well as a Christian.

For purposes of a lawsuit, WE can say it is our Christian symbol, and pagans can also claim it.

Have a read...http://www.albatrus.org /english/religions/pagan/origi n_of_cross.htm
Anonymous

Elizabethtown, KY

#17 Sep 25, 2010
This is for Lokari...you should research before you say something about which you know nothing:
The Quran TEACHES VIOLENCE throughout the book. The terrorists ARE the true Muslims.
The Quran:
Quran (2:191-193)- "And slay them wherever ye find them, and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution [of Muslims] is worse than slaughter [of non-believers]...and fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for Allah." There is a good case to be made that the textual context of this particular passage is defensive war, even if the historical context was not. However, there are also two worrisome pieces to this verse. The first is that the killing of others is authorized in the event of "persecution" (a qualification that is ambiguous at best). The second is that fighting may persist until "religion is for Allah." The example set by Muhammad is not reassuring.
Anonymous

Elizabethtown, KY

#18 Sep 25, 2010
more on the Quaran:
Quran (2:216)- "Fighting is prescribed for you, and ye dislike it. But it is possible that ye dislike a thing which is good for you, and that ye love a thing which is bad for you. But Allah knoweth, and ye know not." Not only does this verse establish that violence can be virtuous, but it also contradicts the myth that fighting is intended only in self-defense, since the audience was obviously not under attack at the time. From the Hadith, we know that Muhammad was actually trying to motivate his people into raiding caravans with this verse.
Quran (3:56)- "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Quran (3:151)- "Soon shall We cast terror into the hearts of the Unbelievers, for that they joined companions with Allah, for which He had sent no authority". This speaks directly of polytheists, yet it also includes Christians, since they believe in the Trinity (ie. what Muhammad incorrectly believed to be 'joining companions to Allah').
Quran (8:12)- "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them" No reasonable person would interpret this to mean a spiritual struggle.
Quran (8:15)- "O ye who believe! When ye meet those who disbelieve in battle, turn not your backs to them.(16)Whoso on that day turneth his back to them, unless maneuvering for battle or intent to join a company, he truly hath incurred wrath from Allah, and his habitation will be hell, a hapless journey's end."
Quran (9:5)- "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars.
Quran (9:5)- "So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them." According to this verse, the best way of staying safe from Muslim violence is to convert to Islam. Prayer (salat) and the poor tax (zakat) are among the religions Five Pillars.
Anonymous

Elizabethtown, KY

#19 Sep 25, 2010
and more:
Far from being mere history or theological construct, the violent verses of the Quran have played a key role in actual massacre and genocide. This includes the brutal slaughter of tens of millions of Hindus for five centuries beginning around 1000 AD with Mahmud of Ghazni's bloody conquest, including the massacre of those who defending their temples from destruction. Buddhism was very nearly wiped off the Indian subcontinent. Judaism and Christianity met the same fate (albeit more slowly) in areas conquered by Muslim armies, including the Middle East, North Africa and parts of Europe, including today's Turkey. Zoroastrianism, the ancient religion of a proud Persian people is despised by Muslims and barely survives in modern Iran.



So ingrained is violence in the religion that Islam has never really stopped being at war, either with other religions or with itself.



Muhammad was a military leader, laying siege to towns, massacring the men, raping their women, enslaving their children, and taking what was once the property of others for his own. On several occasions he rejected offers of surrender from the besieged inhabitants and killed those whom he could take prisoner. He inspired his followers to battle even when they did not feel it was right to fight, promising them slaves and booty if they did and threatening them with Hell if they did not. Muhammad allowed his men to rape traumatized women captured in battle.

The strangest and most untrue thing that can be said about Islam is that it is a Religion of Peace. If every standard by which the West is judged and condemned (slavery, imperialism, intolerance, women's rights, sexuality, warfare...) were applied equally to Islam, the verdict would be absolutely devastating. Islam never gives up what it conquers, be it religion, culture, language or life. Neither does it make apologies or any real effort at moral progress. It is the least open to dialogue and the most self-absorbed. It is convinced of its own perfection, yet brutally shuns self-examination and represses criticism.

In fact, many Muslims are simply unaware of the Quran's near absence of verses that preach universal non-violence. This is because their understanding of Islam comes from what they are taught by others. In the West, it is typical for Muslims to come to believe that their religion must be like Christianity - preaching the New Testament virtues of peace, love, and tolerance - because Muslims are taught that Islam is supposed to be superior in every way. They are somewhat surprised and embarrassed to learn that the evidence of the Quran and the bloody history of Islam are very much in contradiction to this.



Others simply accept the violence. In 1991, a Palestinian couple in America was convicted of stabbing their daughter to death for being too Westernized. A family friend came to their defense, excoriating the jury for not understanding the "culture", claiming that the father was merely following "the religion" and saying that the couple had to "discipline their daughter or lose respect." (source).

For their part, Western liberals would do well not to sacrifice critical thinking on the altar of political correctness, or look for reasons to bring other religion down to the level of Islam merely to avoid the existential truth that this it is both different and dangerous.

There are just too many Muslims who take the Quran literally... and too many others who couldn't care less about the violence done in the name of Islam.

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Quran/023-v...
There is much more on the web, google it.
Sullivan

King, NC

#20 Sep 25, 2010
I am proud of all of the veterans who have shown up to guard the memorial. This was built by the veterans, and the majority of the citizens are supporting them, and will raise the needed funds to either fight this or buy it from the city! Don't forget the veterans who are showing up, if you are in the area bring them water, drinks, food and snacks. They are planning on being there until the big Oct.23 rally and they said longer if need be.

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