Monday is 'Christian Flag Day' in King

Monday is 'Christian Flag Day' in King

There are 336 comments on the Fox 8 WGHP story from Oct 4, 2010, titled Monday is 'Christian Flag Day' in King. In it, Fox 8 WGHP reports that:

Monday is being called "Christian Flag Day" in King after city leaders voted to remove the Christian Flag from the Veterans Memorial last month.

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Since: Oct 10

Lewisville, NC

#331 Oct 25, 2010
Rev Jay Vincent Shore wrote:
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FOR THE RECORD: If you want to sit behind your keyboard, and allege that I have harmed someone by speaking an opinion, while you are hidden behind a screen name, I call you a PUNK.
Now, if you want to stop being a punk, and tell me HOW I have harmed Sgt. Cline, by stating my opinion, AND telling me who you are, then we can talk.
Otherwise, your attempts to intimidate are boring, and underclassed.
I have just as much right to speak my mind here publicly as you do.
Rev Jay Vincent Shore
http://absentcapacity.wordpress.com
Seems to me your definition is right on. Don't show up in uniform and touting your name and rank if you are going to disavow talking for the Marines. There's nothing in the regs that say 'put on your dress uniform to speak in public' so there was no reason to do it...well, except for the standing O he got out of it. Wrong use of a uniform if you ask me...
Exempt

King, NC

#332 Oct 25, 2010
Angelus1967 wrote:
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UD, if you read the entire post you would note the mention of "taxes" that your churches do not pay. In my, and many others', opinion, religions contribute nothing to society as they are tax free and pay almost nobody while they eat up huge chunks of land and, for the most part, expansive additions to that land. All tax free.
So, by paying our taxes the rest of us have to support the habit of religion. I would love for someone to tell me why they feel that is fair in a way that makes some kind of sense.
Your tid bit, wouldn't be missed.
Exempt

King, NC

#333 Oct 25, 2010
Also there are many other organizations which are exempt.

Since: Oct 10

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#334 Oct 25, 2010
Angelus1967 wrote:
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I would love for someone to tell me why they feel that is fair in a way that makes some kind of sense.
Its no susprise you do not understand this. It is simple but you'll have to stay with me.

"Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." the first ammendment.

If respecting means for or against. then it is conceivable that the government could use tax law to control the church. Therefore taxing the church is prohibited by the first amendments prohition of law respecting.
Angelus1967 wrote:
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UD, if you read the entire post you would note the mention of "taxes" that your churches do not pay. In my, and many others', opinion, religions contribute nothing to society as they are tax free and pay almost nobody while they eat up huge chunks of land and, for the most part, expansive additions to that land. All tax free..........
The Church does not produce commodities. They are basically a charity. Many non-religious charities enjoy the same 501c3 status. As non-profit organizations they do not distribute revenue to stakeholders. Therefore they operate on post-taxed donations of their membership. The church is taxed because its membership pays taxes. Funds are often distributed to mission outreach both at home and globally. Funds are often distributed to the needy. You are correct most things are done on a volunteer basis. But churches do contribute to the economy through the very expansion plans you mention.

Hope this helped
Angelus1967

Lewisville, NC

#335 Oct 26, 2010
Exempt wrote:
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Your tid bit, wouldn't be missed.
You know what's fun about you people? You haven't a clue as to who you are talking to yet you make these incredibly stupid statements. Amazing...
Angelus1967

Lewisville, NC

#336 Oct 26, 2010
U D Side wrote:
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Its no susprise you do not understand this. It is simple but you'll have to stay with me.
"Congress shall make NO LAW respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." the first ammendment.
If respecting means for or against. then it is conceivable that the government could use tax law to control the church. Therefore taxing the church is prohibited by the first amendments prohition of law respecting.
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The Church does not produce commodities. They are basically a charity. Many non-religious charities enjoy the same 501c3 status. As non-profit organizations they do not distribute revenue to stakeholders. Therefore they operate on post-taxed donations of their membership. The church is taxed because its membership pays taxes. Funds are often distributed to mission outreach both at home and globally. Funds are often distributed to the needy. You are correct most things are done on a volunteer basis. But churches do contribute to the economy through the very expansion plans you mention.
Hope this helped
I still fail to understand the reason for a church to be tax free. You can quote teh First Amendment all you wish, I understand that bit of work. But taxes can and should be levied against any and all church property as it can be done in a way that would not control the church.
By the way, you can stop with your sad and silly insults, they only make you look bad, not me.
Sorry, most churches I see are doing just fine in the money department and are not distributing most of the money to charity. They all have little projects like this silly flag debacle that is going on right now...although I suppose you people call that some kind of charity.
There is no reason for people who are not a part of your religion to support your church either directly or indirectly. By subsidizing you people so you don't have to pay property taxes on church owned buildings and property people are being asked for that indirect subsidy.
Hope that helps you understand where we are coming from. As a non-christian I should not have to subsidize the 20+ christian churches in King. Simple stuff, even for you people.
How Do We Know

King, NC

#337 Oct 26, 2010
Angelus1967 wrote:
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I still fail to understand the reason for a church to be tax free. You can quote teh First Amendment all you wish, I understand that bit of work. But taxes can and should be levied against any and all church property as it can be done in a way that would not control the church.
By the way, you can stop with your sad and silly insults, they only make you look bad, not me.
Sorry, most churches I see are doing just fine in the money department and are not distributing most of the money to charity. They all have little projects like this silly flag debacle that is going on right now...although I suppose you people call that some kind of charity.
There is no reason for people who are not a part of your religion to support your church either directly or indirectly. By subsidizing you people so you don't have to pay property taxes on church owned buildings and property people are being asked for that indirect subsidy.
Hope that helps you understand where we are coming from. As a non-christian I should not have to subsidize the 20+ christian churches in King. Simple stuff, even for you people.
How in fact do we know that it is not us taxpayers who is subsidizing you? As taxpayers, we subsidize many people who collect Food Stamps, housing, and other government help. If the taxpayers decided that wanted to op out of these Welfare programs a lot of people would be hurting. Any money that is tithe to churches is a donation. Your tax money does not support the churches.
Angelus1967

Lewisville, NC

#338 Oct 26, 2010
How Do We Know wrote:
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How in fact do we know that it is not us taxpayers who is subsidizing you? As taxpayers, we subsidize many people who collect Food Stamps, housing, and other government help. If the taxpayers decided that wanted to op out of these Welfare programs a lot of people would be hurting. Any money that is tithe to churches is a donation. Your tax money does not support the churches.
You don't know it at all. Just as you don't know who you are talking to you have no idea whether I work or not but that is hardly the issue; although I will say that I do not mind that as much, especially with the eonomy the way it is, because we need to help each other out.
Simple economics, if churches paid taxes on the holdings they have then other taxes could either be lowered, raised less often, or there would simply be more money to be used for other purposes. The Catholic Church, for instance, holds billions of dollars worth of property worldwide which, if taxed, would help with the tax burden on everyone. The churches do not use all of the money they collect for charity of some kind as the recent activity in King proves.
Choose to believe as you wish. I certainly can't change th emind of some bible thumpers who think that thier religion is more important than all else.
Not Intended

King, NC

#339 Oct 26, 2010
Angelus1967 wrote:
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You don't know it at all. Just as you don't know who you are talking to you have no idea whether I work or not but that is hardly the issue; although I will say that I do not mind that as much, especially with the eonomy the way it is, because we need to help each other out.
Simple economics, if churches paid taxes on the holdings they have then other taxes could either be lowered, raised less often, or there would simply be more money to be used for other purposes. The Catholic Church, for instance, holds billions of dollars worth of property worldwide which, if taxed, would help with the tax burden on everyone. The churches do not use all of the money they collect for charity of some kind as the recent activity in King proves.
Choose to believe as you wish. I certainly can't change th emind of some bible thumpers who think that thier religion is more important than all else.
The money collected is not intended to all go for charities. Light bills, water, maintenance and so on. The Catholic Church is very wealthy, you are right and I don't know what they use their money for. You are choosing to attack the Churches in King, only because of the flag issue. I can tell you that a lot of the local churches have clothes closets, food pantries, and do a lot of volunteer work. You would not know that if you are not a part of it. Do you give all you have to the needy?
Angelus1967

Lewisville, NC

#340 Oct 26, 2010
Not Intended wrote:
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The money collected is not intended to all go for charities. Light bills, water, maintenance and so on. The Catholic Church is very wealthy, you are right and I don't know what they use their money for. You are choosing to attack the Churches in King, only because of the flag issue. I can tell you that a lot of the local churches have clothes closets, food pantries, and do a lot of volunteer work. You would not know that if you are not a part of it. Do you give all you have to the needy?
I'm not actually attacking anyone. I am saying that I do not appreciate having to subsidize your churches, which I DO have to do, no matter how you wish to look at it. When a multi-million dollar piece of property is left off of the tax roles because it just happens to be a church it affects ALL of the taxpayers. We ALL have to make up for the hole in local property that church leaves. King has something like 26 chueches which means millions of dollars worth of property are untaxed, which the local taxpayers have to make up for. Does that make sense now? I do not care how much "charity" they support, they do not pay taxes, the flag has nothing to do with that. I have supported churches paying taxes since LONG before this flag issue.
And yes, I do give to the needy. I give my time and give my money and NONE of it gets filtered through some worthless building that happens to have a cross on it. It goes from my pocket to the people it's meant to help. My time is given directly to the causes that I choose to support so don't bother preaching how much good churches do. That isn't the point.
Angelus1967

Lewisville, NC

#341 Oct 26, 2010
Yeah, I misspelled a couple of words in there. I see it but there is no way to edit.
I Understand

King, NC

#342 Oct 26, 2010
Angelus1967 wrote:
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I'm not actually attacking anyone. I am saying that I do not appreciate having to subsidize your churches, which I DO have to do, no matter how you wish to look at it. When a multi-million dollar piece of property is left off of the tax roles because it just happens to be a church it affects ALL of the taxpayers. We ALL have to make up for the hole in local property that church leaves. King has something like 26 chueches which means millions of dollars worth of property are untaxed, which the local taxpayers have to make up for. Does that make sense now? I do not care how much "charity" they support, they do not pay taxes, the flag has nothing to do with that. I have supported churches paying taxes since LONG before this flag issue.
And yes, I do give to the needy. I give my time and give my money and NONE of it gets filtered through some worthless building that happens to have a cross on it. It goes from my pocket to the people it's meant to help. My time is given directly to the causes that I choose to support so don't bother preaching how much good churches do. That isn't the point.
I understand that you do not like it, but there is a lot of things the rest of us don't like to support either. You just seem to be so angry about the flag.
Angelus1967

Lewisville, NC

#343 Oct 26, 2010
I Understand wrote:
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I understand that you do not like it, but there is a lot of things the rest of us don't like to support either. You just seem to be so angry about the flag.
Oy Vey...where did I talk about the flag in these posts? I do not care one whit about the flag, I DO care about the stupidity around it right now. I have seen that flag on numerous occasions when going to the park, I've never said a thing but the fact is that it doesn't really belong there BY ITSELF, hang the other major religions with it. Shoot, hang some minor religions with it. I didn't enlist in the Army to defend the christian flag but to defend the United States of America, that's it and that's all, so I fail to see where the christian flag comes into the picture, and WHY so much money and effort is going into it.
Beyond not having a clue as to why it is so important to you people and being very, very tired of the argument going on in the town I live in, I don't care about it. Small issue really.
Rob

King, NC

#344 Oct 28, 2010
Angelus1967 wrote:
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Oy Vey...where did I talk about the flag in these posts? I do not care one whit about the flag, I DO care about the stupidity around it right now. I have seen that flag on numerous occasions when going to the park, I've never said a thing but the fact is that it doesn't really belong there BY ITSELF, hang the other major religions with it. Shoot, hang some minor religions with it. I didn't enlist in the Army to defend the christian flag but to defend the United States of America, that's it and that's all, so I fail to see where the christian flag comes into the picture, and WHY so much money and effort is going into it.
Beyond not having a clue as to why it is so important to you people and being very, very tired of the argument going on in the town I live in, I don't care about it. Small issue really.
Save your breath brother..

These people truly believe that their way is the only way..why else would they believe that its not a denominational or religious symbol. it is beyond their intellect to realize that other do no believe they way they do and the Constitution protects everyone, not just them. They seem to believe that their freedom includes the government backing them up, and that my freedom(or yours) is somehow less important or protected. If you pin them down with specific Cases involving this issue (like that dumb ass UD) they simply ignore it, and refuse to address it...because they dont like it..The level or arrogance is staggering, the lack of respect for fellow citizens is predictable, and ultimately they will be left with no other options except violence. And since most of these cross burners are not new to that...well, there is a good reason some people in King are scared.

These are the people that believe the earth is 5000 years old, we all appeared from a puff of smoke, and any behavior can be justified by religious text. Pure Stupidity is not curable or fixable.

Since: Oct 10

Lewisville, NC

#345 Oct 28, 2010
Rob wrote:
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Save your breath brother..
These people truly believe that their way is the only way..why else would they believe that its not a denominational or religious symbol. it is beyond their intellect to realize that other do no believe they way they do and the Constitution protects everyone, not just them. They seem to believe that their freedom includes the government backing them up, and that my freedom(or yours) is somehow less important or protected. If you pin them down with specific Cases involving this issue (like that dumb **** UD) they simply ignore it, and refuse to address it...because they dont like it..The level or arrogance is staggering, the lack of respect for fellow citizens is predictable, and ultimately they will be left with no other options except violence. And since most of these cross burners are not new to that...well, there is a good reason some people in King are scared.
These are the people that believe the earth is 5000 years old, we all appeared from a puff of smoke, and any behavior can be justified by religious text. Pure Stupidity is not curable or fixable.
Rob - I know man, I know. It just makes my head hurt, especially when they begin to argue with me about things I didn't even SAY...they just make it up as they go!
Well, thanks for the pep talk...at least it helps to know there are more people out there who feel the same way. So it's refreshing every time i see another one of you.
CHRISTIAN HYPOCRITES

Englewood, CO

#346 Oct 29, 2010
Yes, you so called “Christians are HYPOCRITES”!

Why is it when we point out in multiple posts you do not respond to that specific part of the post that asks you, Why are you not helping your fellow man each day?

What have you done to help the poor and need y in your community every day?

Children that don’t have enough food on the table, people losing their homes, not enough money to pay bills!!!!!!!!!!

Do you have money in your bank account, in the church accounts?

You “Chrrrristiaaaans” profess your Jesus Christ on the blogs, march to fly your so called “Christian” flag, have nice homes, cars, motorcycles (Rolling Thunder), boats, cloths, jewelry, etc…

Did not Jesus say give it all away to poor and needy to follow him? YES HE DID!

Have you helped with habitat for humanity to build needy people homes? NO, because most of the people are BLACK and POOR and you say,“Get a Job”. You pathetic Christian Hypocrites!

Every minute of everyday you should be helping your fellow man but your sit on your asses typing blogs, riding motorcycles, camping out at park to protest, when you could have been helping people in need in your community.

What of the Haitians that are dying by the hundreds do to rampant cholera outbreaks? OH YEA, I forgot their BLACK and POOR and not your concern!!

God’s people my a-s-s!

Yes, you can quote your bible to make your point but you CERTAINLY don’t show people your faith by your actions, you show us what a HYPOCITE LOOKS LIKE. Just look in your mirror and you’ll see them!!!!

I know Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhist, Muslims, and many other non-christian faiths and non-believers that do more for the people in the community and world than you so called “Chrrrristiaaaans”!

Atheists, Agnostics, Buddhist, Muslims, and many other non-christian faiths and non-believers know more about the bible then Christians do. You people need to read all of it and not just the verses you wish to use to try and show us we need to be saved. You need to save yourself first.

Many of you Christians are going to be disappointed when God sends you to hell for being the Hypocrites that you are!

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