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Willy Wonka

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Rumor is the job is going to be advertised once again. My opinion is like an butthole but CB should have not pushed out Blevins.

“Live from Colonial Beach”

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Not a rumor, it is definitely being advertised again per the last town council work session.
Snow

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Mar 4, 2014
 
No qualified applicants?
wtcsret

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Hey! You're coming out of a "bad" winter :) Everyone is grumpy, and you need to wind up for the summer season. What better way than to continue your on-going game of "Musical Police Chief" :) It is a proven winner and it has worked for over 50 years! I say go at it w/gusto.(I pack a gusto it's one of 2600's recommended:)
My Opinion

King George, VA

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Snow wrote:
No qualified applicants?
They have had qualified Police Chief's. The last two full time chiefs were very qualified. Its the Town Council that is not qualified. They will not stop interfering and let them do thier jobs. I see the last chief all the time in local stores and he is greeted with the utmost respect and people still call him "Chief". Evidently he was respected by citizens and town employess. His qualifications certainly met the level the current job description advertises. I am sure the previous chief also met those levels.
At some point in time the council needs to stop interfering before they interfere to the point it opens the them up for serious litigations.
I saw they went into closed session at the end of the last meeting to discuss something concerning legal matters.
Mr. Curtin was a big influence against the PD. Did he leave an issue unresolved?
Lets see what happens!!
Real Deal

King George, VA

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From what I heard they had a couple of good applicants for Chief and those applicants had there applications taken out due to the Town not wanting a real person to do the job. I guess they won't be satisfied until they find the right puppet to string along with there BS. I mean for $60,000 to protect and serve and you have a Town Official making $98,000. That tells you were the Council has their priorities.
LEO

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Real Deal wrote:
From what I heard they had a couple of good applicants for Chief and those applicants had there applications taken out due to the Town not wanting a real person to do the job. I guess they won't be satisfied until they find the right puppet to string along with there BS. I mean for $60,000 to protect and serve and you have a Town Official making $98,000. That tells you were the Council has their priorities.
If you read the advertisement it says the Chief will work for and follow instructions from the Town Council AND the Town Manager. How can the Chief of Police or any one for that matter follow instructions from 8 bosses??? If truth be known, this may be one of the reasons they are having difficulties finding and KEEPING a Chief of Police. It also leaves the door open for a number of issues including corruption and obstruction if any one of the 8 makes a "suggestion" in conflict with another member of the 8 bosses and pressures the Chief of Police to enforce thier individual "suggestion". It cant be done and may have already been done.
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LEO wrote:
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If you read the advertisement it says the Chief will work for and follow instructions from the Town Council AND the Town Manager. How can the Chief of Police or any one for that matter follow instructions from 8 bosses??? If truth be known, this may be one of the reasons they are having difficulties finding and KEEPING a Chief of Police. It also leaves the door open for a number of issues including corruption and obstruction if any one of the 8 makes a "suggestion" in conflict with another member of the 8 bosses and pressures the Chief of Police to enforce thier individual "suggestion". It cant be done and may have already been done.
LEO and Real Deal are right. People, you need to pay close attention to how this police chief thing goes down. They don't want a real independent police chief. They want someone they can control. This mumbo jumbo about working for and following instructions of TC and TM is bad for you. A police chief is supposed to "follow instructions"???? of people with agendas who are not trained in the law????

Look closely at the contract the new police chief is asked to sign. Guaranteed that it will be like the one Blevins signed and Hawkins rejected when he wanted to return. That contract said chief had to follow instructions of TM and that if he didn't, he could be fired. If he was fired, he was forbidden from talking about what happened. Added up, it said to do as you're told or else.

Now I invite you to google "police chief employment contract" and look at some of the results. Here is an example of a clause typically found. "It is agreed that the Chief of Police can be disciplined or discharged for ONLY JUST CAUSE, UPON PRIOR NOTICE, and ONLY AFTER A HEARING at which the Chief SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL. The Chief SHALL HAVE THE OPTION OF CHOOSING WHETHER OR NOT ANY HEARING SHALL BE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC OR HELED AS AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING." Folks, I guarantee that you will NOT see a clause like this in your new chief's contract.
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LEO and Real Deal are right. People, you need to pay close attention to how this police chief thing goes down. They don't want a real independent police chief. They want someone they can control. This mumbo jumbo about working for and following instructions of TC and TM is bad for you. A police chief is supposed to "follow instructions"???? of people with agendas who are not trained in the law????
Look closely at the contract the new police chief is asked to sign. Guaranteed that it will be like the one Blevins signed and Hawkins rejected when he wanted to return. That contract said chief had to follow instructions of TM and that if he didn't, he could be fired. If he was fired, he was forbidden from talking about what happened. Added up, it said to do as you're told or else.
Now I invite you to google "police chief employment contract" and look at some of the results. Here is an example of a clause typically found. "It is agreed that the Chief of Police can be disciplined or discharged for ONLY JUST CAUSE, UPON PRIOR NOTICE, and ONLY AFTER A HEARING at which the Chief SHALL HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE REPRESENTED BY COUNSEL. The Chief SHALL HAVE THE OPTION OF CHOOSING WHETHER OR NOT ANY HEARING SHALL BE CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC OR HELED AS AN OPEN PUBLIC HEARING." Folks, I guarantee that you will NOT see a clause like this in your new chief's contract.
In regards to the last paragraph, both of the last chiefs contracts had clauses in them similar to the one quoted. regarding Chief Blevins', the night he resigned it appeared he was just as surprised as everyone else when was called back to closed session and also appeared surprised when he walked out the door. I guess my question is how did they notify him, allow him an opportunity to legal counsel or a hearing all in the fifteen minutes they were in closed session. They also appointed an interim chief in the same breath.

Maybe the legal matters they discussed last week in closed session has something to do with this? Inquiring minds would like to know!!!
yea right

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Mar 7, 2014
 

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Thought Blevins resigned. Said nothing about fired.
LeoN

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Mar 7, 2014
 
What's meeting about tonight?
wtcsret

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I love "cherry pickers" and they are abundant here. Go and get a boiler plate contract and read the WHOLE thing. It's very easy to see how different clauses can be used to......(fill in the blank) Hope this clears up how some things come about.
You ever wonder how HR got it's name? Human Nature Relations was too long :) Think if SI (Self Interest) had to be added.:)

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Mar 7, 2014
 
Real Deal wrote:
From what I heard they had a couple of good applicants for Chief and those applicants had there applications taken out due to the Town not wanting a real person to do the job..
They narrowed it down to two. Neither of them were willing to take the job due to the salary offered.

I can't blame them, who would relocate your family for the salary offered?

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Also, Chief Seay has been working as Chief since January of 2013. He applied and was not offered the position.

If he has been fine for it for 15 months, why not hire him? He's willing to do the job at the salary offered, and he is the one spear heading the re-accreditation of the police chief.

Also, if you don't think Chief Blevins was told to resign or be fired, well, I got some oceanfront property in Arizona I can sell you.
Disorganized Chaos

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I do not know any of the "players" in this scenario but I am wondering how everything is "fine". Since the departure of Chief Hawkins, I have noticed nothing but a downhill spiral of the Department. Promotions of relatives, weapons missing, what appears to be a reduction in traffic enforcement, a fleet of vehicles that look to be on their last leg, vehicles sitting at the office (not spare vehicles) for hours upon end when their hasnt been an incident during that period, reaccredidation issues, and the list goes on and on.
The true question is are these a result of lack of leadership?
Interference or the direction of Town Council or Town Manager?
If I am understanding how all of this has currently worked out then the current Chief's supervisor is the Town Manager. If so, then she and the council have made him a "lame duck" Chief by re advertising the position. I am guessing if he applied for it for 60k and they didnt hire him they didnt make that decision based on they really wanted to give him 75k. So now the Town Manager and Town Council have told him you are not good enough to be our Chief but please make sure you keep doing the job until we can find you a new boss.
A Police Chief needs to be just that, A Chief. He needs to be able to make decisions, supervise his or her subordinates, and work without Political influence and interference much the way a Sheriff performs his duties. It seems to be lost that the Police Chief is responsible for the protection of the citizens and not the Town Manager and Town Council. Yes he should brief them and keep them informed for budgeting and operational requirements but I am not sure the Town Manager has completed a Law Enforcement Academy, has a degree from any College or University in a Law Enforcement field, or is a lawyer. Maybe we could save money and just merge the Police Department with Land Use.
It seems like you need to know and have experience in a field to be able to evaluate and supervise that position but apparently that is not true in this case. The Chief should be his own entity and citizen input should drive whether he or she is performing their duties satisfactorily.
Enough of my opinions but it seems like we are moving towards a single controlling party for the Town. If things were so bad during the "Hawkins era" then why was there an outcry for him to come back and why do people still want him back. I am pretty sure during his time he didnt get his daily assignments and duties from the Town Manager. He came to work and did his job. Of course he declined the job when he saw his new organizational chart and he was answering to the Town Manager. Maybe the writing was on the wall.
Why doesnt the town post lets say statistics for arrests, crimes reported, crimes solved, accidents, and citations written by month for the past 3 years and lets see how things compare through all of the changes of the Chiefs.
I believe the accreditation test is soon so lets see how that goes. Hummm didnt Hawkins implement that process initially?
wtcsret

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With all the conflict I would look close at your "internal reviews" since original accreditation. You say they are not being done? Someone doesn't understand "standards". "Continuous Improvement" is more than a catch phrase :)
The key to all certifications is they are ALL STANDARDS :)
It is no accident I chose the below reference :)
http://www.ethics-certification.com/standards...
CB Granny

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We need a police review board with civilians on it. That can curb some of the TM & police excesses. It also provides a formal body for people who get harrassed or railroaded to present their case without the Town incurring litigation fees.
Roger

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Mar 8, 2014
 
New Chief was hired! It will be a first for CB!
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Mar 10, 2014
 
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New Chief was hired! It will be a first for CB!
"Roger" from Richmond, you're not by chance related to "Jimmy" from Richmond, are you? Tell us about this exciting "first for CB".
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Disorganized Chaos, you are right on the money. Chief Seay has filled the void, but not well enough to fill it permanently. he has failed to motivate officers, make any improvements, little leadership qualities,and this has not gone un-noticed by council. Seay has coasted for over a year, increased his salary, set his own schedule, and rode around smoking his big cigar in a town vehicle. He is arrogant, and seems to not like input from elected officials. He has not only allowed his officers to harass town citizens, but even fails to counsel them about it which is same as encouraging. Officers appear to have no real supervision, seen all eating at same time with no one on patrol on evening weekend shifts.
Hope all this will be better with new chief.

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