Shane Hicks-my name.LUC BOYS RANCH- joke

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Heather Hicks

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May 27, 2013
 
Spoken like a true douchebag. Well "guest", all I can say is that I hope you do not have children, as you do not sound fit to raise them either. Have you not ever heard of nature vs. nurture? Those boys at the ranch have already been through enough in their lives, dealing with the foster care and adoption systems -- they are not going to thrive at a place fueled by fear, intolerance and hate speech. But you'd have to be somewhat intelligent to see that. I am not anti discipline, but AM anti shaming methods. As far as an axe to grind, let's hope that the next axe involved isn't wielded by one of the boys out of pure rage.(But if it is, I hope they start there on ranch, in alphabetical order... Holloway, Jacobson, Ortman...:)

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May 27, 2013
 
Another 16 year old boy ran away from LUC (Lives Under Construction) Boys Ranch. We were notified on May 24th, 2013 of this LUC run away from Stone County this AM from a list when Sheriff Rader met with our Lampe, MO/Blue Eye, MO Community on March 14th, 2013. This was after the Double Homicide in Lampe, MO of Brian Paul Brooks and Margaret Susan Brooks after two boys ran away from Lives Under Construction (LUC) Boys Ranch on Jan 29th, 2013 and murdered the brooks on January 31st, 2013

Yesterday DFS said they are a Private Facility (LUC) Boys Ranch and DFS Youth Services can do nothing until some gets murdered, hurt, or commits a crime. I called Springfield DFS Division of Youth Services and asked if they were notified of another LUC Boy's Ranch ran away???? She said "NO" and that since they LUC Boys's Ranch is a Public Facility - that they will not have anything to do with a child running away until something happens - "Murder, Stealing, Hurt someone.......... If the Child reaches the Court System in Missouri, then they get involved!

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May 27, 2013
 
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Disgruntled former employees often have an axe to grind.
The bottom line is that the LUC ranch didn't cause those boys to commit murder. They did it all by themselves.
Lives Under Construction (LUC) Boys Ranch didn't help these boys and only made them more angry and ready to lash out at someone. Unfortunately, they must have learned well from LUC Boys Ranch how to hide somewhere until they could carry out a extremely brutal homicide on the next door neighbors that they watched and planned before the brutally carried out the murder of Paul Brian Brooks who had part of his foot amputated and was very sick and his loving wife Margaret Susan Brooks who was not very well herself. So yes "YOU TAUGHT THESE BOYS HOW TO NOT FEEL, HAVE NO MORAL CHARACTER AND THEY TOOK OUT THE HOSTILITY OF LUC BOYS RANCH OUT ON THESE HELPLESS DEAR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS - INSTEAD OF YOU ALL"

I know that there is so much abuse there - our daughter's fiance worked there for a teaching job.

What Heather and Shane tell is the truth of Lives Under Construction (LUC) Boys Ranch.

LUC Boys Ranch were in charge of Anthony (Tony) Zarro - over 2 years at LUC and Christopher James (CJ) Allen when they ran away/escaped and came to out Trace Hollow Rd, Lampe, MO 65681 area where these boys knew well.

LUC Boys Ranch cut both the house where the Brooks Mom and Dad where murdered and the Red Rental House of Jack AKA John Martin and Holly Martin/Smith.

The LUC Boys Ranch did many yards of grass cutting and leaf management. They also threw hay for the Dillards on this same stretch of Trace Hollow Rd. They helped another neighbor move after the death of his sick wife. They helped him and also was donated much from John's wife death. John Wierschem cleaned out much that had accumulated in past yeats.

The boys knew this area were they went well!
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#24
May 28, 2013
 
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Lives Under Construction (LUC) Boys Ranch didn't help these boys and only made them more angry and ready to lash out at someone.
You've jumped off into nothing but mere speculation. What evidence exists to support your claim? None. Look, the boys were bad. No one at LUC or anyone else caused them to commit murder. They did it all by themselves, and they alone are responsible. Stop trying to shift the blame.
So yes "YOU TAUGHT THESE BOYS HOW TO NOT FEEL, HAVE NO MORAL CHARACTER AND THEY TOOK OUT THE HOSTILITY OF LUC BOYS RANCH OUT ON THESE HELPLESS DEAR FRIENDS AND NEIGHBORS - INSTEAD OF YOU ALL"
Bullshit. Those boys had no feelings nor moral character before going to LUC. It's not the fault of the ranch that they couldn't be helped.

If you don't like LUC, don't send your kids there. If others wish to send their kids there, it's none of your damn business.
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May 28, 2013
 
Dear LUC guest that said I jumped off into nothing but mere speculation! I have picture evidence of your LUC Ranch Boys doing leaves for the Martin's Red House that Tony Zarro and CJ Allen stayed. There was so much disrepect with not just the boys that were asked to not put leaves down by the lake, but also the 1 In-Charge Person that drove your Blue Suburban being very disrepectful. He even backed up and sat there trying to make sure that he got the last word/look in! I wrote this to Ken Ortman through E-Mail. So be careful whom you tell don't have any ___ business (I won't repeat the Christian word that you put above before business) or any evidence. The LUC Boys Ranch has much to do with this whole Murder Case and loss of our beloved friends. You guys were in charge of these boys at the time of the incident! I know that you would like to hide this just like much else has been hidden, but unfortunately God Knows the truth and it is in the Court Systems hands now!
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May 28, 2013
 

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I have picture evidence of your LUC Ranch Boys doing leaves for the Martin's Red House
Well, that and $1.25 will get you a cup of coffee at McDonald's, but it certainly isn't evidence to support your claim that LUC "only made them more angry and ready to lash out at someone".

As I've stated on this thread a number of times already, LUC did not make those boys commit murder. They did it all by themselves. They alone are responsible for their actions.

Why do you want to excuse the ones who committed such a heinous crime?
So be careful whom you tell don't have any ___ business
If other parents choose to send their kids to LUC, it is none of your damn business.
The LUC Boys Ranch has much to do with this whole Murder Case and loss of our beloved friends.
No, they don't. Again, it was the boys who chose to commit those murders, and it was the boys who did it, not LUC. Again, why do you want to blame it on LUC instead of the boys? No one at LUC did it, nor are they even suspected of being connected to this crime.

Those are bad boys. They were bad before they were sent to LUC, they're bad now, and they will probably always be bad. LUC isn't responsible for that.
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Jun 2, 2013
 
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Well, that and $1.25 will get you a cup of coffee at McDonald's, but it certainly isn't evidence to support your claim that LUC "only made them more angry and ready to lash out at someone".
As I've stated on this thread a number of times already, LUC did not make those boys commit murder. They did it all by themselves. They alone are responsible for their actions.
Why do you want to excuse the ones who committed such a heinous crime?
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If other parents choose to send their kids to LUC, it is none of your damn business.
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No, they don't. Again, it was the boys who chose to commit those murders, and it was the boys who did it, not LUC. Again, why do you want to blame it on LUC instead of the boys? No one at LUC did it, nor are they even suspected of being connected to this crime.
Those are bad boys. They were bad before they were sent to LUC, they're bad now, and they will probably always be bad. LUC isn't responsible for that.
I was held hostage at LUC for two years although my court order was only for 16 weeks. I was subject to abuse of all kinds. All that place did was gave me a huge disregard for human life and any person of authority. I was used as a slave for a year after my sentence was complete. Nobody in my family or the DFS system was able to get me out. I had to raise so much hell that they finally kicked me out after I was a legal adult. I ran away. I helped people run away. I knew the land, broke into many houses, stole cars to get away. At 15 I was forced to run a jack hammer 12-18hrs a day. These people are evil. They beg for money and donations to help the boys. I bought a car that had been donated from the ranch and had several thousand dollars in my account. When I left that driveway I had $60 and a back pack. Fuck you LUC you ruined my life.
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Jun 3, 2013
 
FuqULuC wrote:
I was held hostage at LUC for two years although my court order was only for 16 weeks.
Did you file a complaint for kidnapping with the prosecuting attorney? Of course not, because you're just spewing b.s.
I was subject to abuse of all kinds.
Did you file a complaint for abuse or assault with the prosecuting attorney? Of course not. Just more b.s.
All that place did was gave me a huge disregard for human life and any person of authority.
On the other thread you admitted that you were already a "vengeful criminal" before you went to LUC. I suppose you blame LUC for your lack of character even before you ever heard of the place.

No, you had a huge disregard for human life and authority figures long before you ever went to LUC. Sounds to me like you're just a bad seed.
I knew the land, broke into many houses, stole cars to get away.
LUC isn't responsible for your criminal actions. You should have been sentenced to prison. You were lucky you were given a chance at LUC rather than being abused as a sexual toy by the big bucks in the prison system. Be grateful.
Fuck you LUC you ruined my life.
Uh no, you did a fine job of that all by yourself. Maybe one day you'll take responsibility for your own actions and stop blaming others for the things you brought on yourself. We call that growing up.
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#30
Jun 9, 2013
 
was at this particular facility for 2.5 years from 05-08. the boys are not evil they are treated like animals. LUC is not a state rehabilitation center. It has state certifications but it is a NFP business that is privately owned. if you have any questions feel free to email an old address at mr86316@mineralarea.edu. feel free to contact me if you need help with anything.
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#31
Jun 9, 2013
 
P.S. LUC is not guilty of murder. The are vicariously liable though as they are the principle charged with taking charge of the two boys. they are a company. The only one guilty of murder is obviously these boys but they are responsible for creating hardships; financially from the families ($2500+ per month per boy while I was there for 2.5 years in 05')and physically for boys (again... 2.5 years). Shut this place down. I have previously posted my email address.
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Springfield, MO

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#32
Jun 10, 2013
 
I was wondering if heather could use the "f" bomb more? I mean it really shows her intelligence. I mean very few people can use the "f" bomb. It really sets heather apart from the rest of us.
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#33
Jun 22, 2013
 
My son has changed immensely for the better since being at the ranch. He is more respectful, has a great work ethic, and now know the value of money. I have spent many days at the ranch observing their rules and disciplines. I have observed no abuse, just hard work. The ranch is working miracles and changing lives!
Michael

Park Hills, MO

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#34
Jul 2, 2013
 
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Well, that and $1.25 will get you a cup of coffee at McDonald's, but it certainly isn't evidence to support your claim that LUC "only made them more angry and ready to lash out at someone".
As I've stated on this thread a number of times already, LUC did not make those boys commit murder. They did it all by themselves. They alone are responsible for their actions.
Why do you want to excuse the ones who committed such a heinous crime?
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If other parents choose to send their kids to LUC, it is none of your damn business.
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No, they don't. Again, it was the boys who chose to commit those murders, and it was the boys who did it, not LUC. Again, why do you want to blame it on LUC instead of the boys? No one at LUC did it, nor are they even suspected of being connected to this crime.
Those are bad boys. They were bad before they were sent to LUC, they're bad now, and they will probably always be bad. LUC isn't responsible for that.
Guest it is funny how you can hide behind a block of words but do you actually understand? Of course not. I'm not saying you dont know the ranch but what I guarantee you have no experience as would be a "consumer" of LUC. You have never slept in one bedroom with three other boys, you have never witnessed an 8 year old attempt to hang himself with bailing twine in the hay barn (next to the office) and realized that their is literally nothing different about you and that boy. If I tell you I am going to fix your "broken" child and TWO FUCKING YEARS LATER he has killed someone what would you think? Maybe actually analyzing the concepts opens your eyes. Two years is enough time to actually change someones life and this place obviously did not make it any better.
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Jul 3, 2013
 
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You have never slept in one bedroom with three other boys, you have never witnessed an 8 year old attempt to hang himself with bailing twine in the hay barn (next to the office) and realized that their is literally nothing different about you and that boy.
Yeah, there literally is a hell of a lot of difference between myself and a boy who tries to hang himself with bailing wire. I love life.

My point all along is that LUC is not responsible for the reprehensible actions taken by some of the boys that are placed there, including those who committed murder last year.

I tire of people always looking to place blame everywhere except where it belongs.
If I tell you I am going to fix your "broken" child and TWO FUCKING YEARS LATER he has killed someone what would you think?
I think you're full of crap. LUC never told you or anyone else they were going to "fix" anyone. And what do I think about someone living at LUC who escapes and commits murder? I think he should be placed in jail, charged with murder, and if convicted should suffer punishment.

The question is, what do YOU think should happen? Should we let those teenage murderers go free and lock up the staff of LUC for a horrible crime they had nothing do to with?
Two years is enough time to actually change someones life and this place obviously did not make it any better.
People won't change unless they want to change. It's as simple as that.

Bottom line: those boys are responsible for committing those murders, not LUC.
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Bottom line: those boys are responsible for committing those murders, not LUC.
When a child is left with someone responsible for them, then you may not have commited the murder - but you should have had these two boys under LUC Boys Ranch control! That gives Lives Under Construction (LUC)the responsibility of what and where these two that murdered the RESPONSINILITY of these under aged boys that were released to the care of this Private Facility that is paid very well by the Parents. You just don't get it do you!

This whole Court Hearing/Trials are just beginning. There is also Civil Suits plus so much more to go yet!!!!!!!!!!
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Jul 4, 2013
 
NeighborTHR wrote:
When a child is left with someone responsible for them, then you may not have commited the murder - but you should have had these two boys under LUC Boys Ranch control! That gives Lives Under Construction (LUC)the responsibility of what and where these two that murdered the RESPONSINILITY of these under aged boys that were released to the care of this Private Facility that is paid very well by the Parents. You just don't get it do you!
LUC is not a prison or lock down facility. Those boys left LUC without permission and chose to commit horrendous acts. For that, they are responsible. LUC holds no civil or criminal liability whatsoever.

I ask yet again, why is it so many of you want to place blame for the murders everywhere except where it belongs?

Why is it so hard to admit that those teenage boys are responsible for what they did? LUC did not cause them to commit any crime. They chose to commit a number of felony crimes, and they have been charged as adults.

The criminal justice system certainly knows where the blame lies. One wonders why you don't.
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Jul 15, 2013
 
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LUC is not a prison or lock down facility. Those boys left LUC without permission and chose to commit horrendous acts. For that, they are responsible. LUC holds no civil or criminal liability whatsoever.
I ask yet again, why is it so many of you want to place blame for the murders everywhere except where it belongs?
Why is it so hard to admit that those teenage boys are responsible for what they did? LUC did not cause them to commit any crime. They chose to commit a number of felony crimes, and they have been charged as adults.
The criminal justice system certainly knows where the blame lies. One wonders why you don't.
You really dont understand. During my not so brief tenure as an occupant at the ranch, the staff makes routine nightly stops to check up on the boys. They require us to show "skin" and they will wake us up to prove that we have not taken off into the night. They have someone stationed outside of the hallway that has every room in it. So I can clearly estimate you have never been at the ranch and clearly you do not have the smallest clue about criminal, civil, and business law. I am done communicating with you because you are either ignorant or stupid. I'm sure it is serving you well.
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Jul 15, 2013
 
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Yeah, there literally is a hell of a lot of difference between myself and a boy who tries to hang himself with bailing wire. I love life.
My point all along is that LUC is not responsible for the reprehensible actions taken by some of the boys that are placed there, including those who committed murder last year.
I tire of people always looking to place blame everywhere except where it belongs.
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I think you're full of crap. LUC never told you or anyone else they were going to "fix" anyone. And what do I think about someone living at LUC who escapes and commits murder? I think he should be placed in jail, charged with murder, and if convicted should suffer punishment.
The question is, what do YOU think should happen? Should we let those teenage murderers go free and lock up the staff of LUC for a horrible crime they had nothing do to with?
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People won't change unless they want to change. It's as simple as that.
Bottom line: those boys are responsible for committing those murders, not LUC.
You misrepresent my words. Obviously we dont let the boys just walk out of their prison cells they have made a decision. My point is obvious even to the most casual of observer (which by obvious presumptions you must be). My point is that somewhere along the line you have to recognize that LUC has erred. People dont change unless they want to so lets just let inmates who are apologetic be released from captivity and given clubs (just following your statement to its most logical conclusion). Lets cage anything for a few years, open the door and watch it tear whoever is standing their to shreds.. Now to answer your inquisition: I feel that the boys should be prosecuted. I also believe that LUC (once again) vicariously liable for damages in civil court. Im sure you don't know what the basic term even means feel free to pick up a book. You are nothing more than an apathetic onlooker. BTW while I do not have verbatim as to what was conversation I can tell you after a looking at the website for... i dont know, 10 seconds this is in their mission statement

LUC Boys Ranch is located in the heart of the Ozark Mountains in Southwest Missouri. We are changing the lives of at-risk boys in our Christian residential treatment program. Through the use of Biblical counseling and applying Christian principles in their lives, we are re-building broken homes and family relationships.

Changing the lives... huh tell me again how they arent fixing what is broken. Clearly there is a difference between you and a boy who tried to hang himself with bailing wire; you would never understand the difference. These boys would actually have the mental aptitude to put up an intelligent argument with someone over the internet. LOL. Any more simple minded statements you would like me to disprove?
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Jul 15, 2013
 
Michael
Very well put
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Jul 16, 2013
 
Michael wrote:
So I can clearly estimate you have never been at the ranch and clearly you do not have the smallest clue about criminal, civil, and business law. I am done communicating with you because you are either ignorant or stupid. I'm sure it is serving you well.
You have no valid response to the core of this issue, so you have to resort to petty personal attacks.

Again, here are the essential questions that you simply refuse to answer, even though the answers are quite obvious:

Why is it so many of you want to place blame for the murders everywhere except where it belongs?

Why is it so hard to admit that those teenage boys are responsible for what they did?

My statement in an earlier post contains facts. Again, LUC did not cause those boys to commit any crime. They chose to commit a number of felony crimes, and they have been charged as adults.

As far as my familiarity with LUC, indeed I have been there. And my legal knowledge and experience spans over 3 decades. It's another fact that LUC bears no responsibility or liability, either civil or criminal, for the felony acts committed by those two boys.

Deal with reality.

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