Ft. Hood'd 9/11

[Baserunner]

Fort Hood's 9/11
New York Post, by Ralph Peters

On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting "Allahu Akbar!" committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam. What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Ft. Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of non-denominational shoplifting.

One of the Pundits on Fox News was concerned that the trial of the Major would be a Military Courts Martial, instead of a regular Court.

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Washington - A prominent American Muslim group Friday condemned the attack on a Texas military base that has claimed the lives of at least 13 people.

The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) called the shootings by the Army psychiatrist, Major Nidal Malik Hasan, on Thursday a 'cowardly attack' that could not be justified in the name of religion.

Hasan, a Muslim, likely yelled the Muslim religious chant, Allah Akbar (God is great), before opening fire in a crowded medical center at Fort Hood, the base commander, Lieutenant General Robert Cone, told NBC news Friday morning.

Cone said 'there are first hand accounts' to that effect.

'No religious or political ideology could ever justify or excuse such wanton and indiscriminate violence,' CAIR said.'The attack was particularly heinous in that it targeted the all-volunteer army that protects our nation.'

CAIR, which says it is the largest Muslim civil liberties and advocacy group in the country, called for the perpetrator to 'be punished to the full extent of the law.'

Read more: http://www.monstersandcritics.com/news/usa/ne...

[As IF]

I think it's pathetic that people on the news were trying to come up with excuses for this dude.

Like he was stressed out or something. Let's all hold hands and feel sorry for him. Let's try to figure out why...?

Political correctness crap... He is an extremist plain and simple. I only wish he had died so it won't be tied up in court and on tv for a year.

[what]

He was a Army Officer and will be tried in Military courts. Not a darn thing the Liberals can do to stop it unless they want to piss the military off even more.

This guy has been under watch for over 6 months because of things he has said and done. I am glad the officer shot him to stop him btu also glad he is alive so the Army can execute him for what he has done. Let him live so he can die a cowards death.

[Shogun]

Baserunner wrote:

Fort Hood's 9/11
New York Post, by Ralph Peters
On Thursday afternoon, a radicalized Muslim US Army officer shouting "Allahu Akbar!" committed the worst act of terror on American soil since 9/11. And no one wants to call it an act of terror or associate it with Islam. What cowards we are. Political correctness killed those patriotic Americans at Ft. Hood as surely as the Islamist gunman did. And the media treat it like a case of non-denominational shoplifting.
One of the Pundits on Fox News was concerned that the trial of the Major would be a Military Courts Martial, instead of a regular Court.

We can agree that this was indeed an act of barbarism, no question about it. Was it terrorism? I am not sure, it appeared to be more personal in nature. I hope we can also agree that this was the act of a completely deranged man. News reports are suggestive of a man who had been going off the tracks for some time, and not unlike the krank who killed the students on the VT campus.
I am likewise incensed that anyone, including the media, should find any justification for his actions in how he may have been treated by fellow soldiers. But, so far I have not heard anyone actually attempting to excuse his behavior. I have heard the reports on Fox and other news outlets that he may have had a problem with being a Muslim in the service when our primary enemies at this time involve nations where Islam is the dominant religion. Is this an excuse? Of course it isn't, but it is news whether you or I like it or not. It is still part of the story and not telling it would not be giving the full story.
Don't get me wrong on this, I abhor violence even when it must be directed at our enemies but certainly our nation was given no choice in the conflict at hand and it was his choice to make the military his career.
This kind of violence is difficult to predict or interdict, not to be flippant about it, but it is "going postal" in the classic sense of the phrase.
There are no excuses or justifications for what he did and certainly whether he is tried in a civilian court or a military one he deserves the maximum penalty. And, though insanity may be his defense, the legal standard requires only that he knew the difference between right and wrong when he acted and that he knew the consequences of his actions i.e. that people would die or be wounded as a result his conduct. He can't escape that even as deranged as he may be.
What I don't see is how "political correctness" killed those people, what are you suggesting?

[Lesson Learned FL]

My understanding is that before a person can become a psychiatrist they must be psychoanlyzed themselves...how did he ever get past that hurdle in the military? He's not been licensed very long.

[Shootist]

Lesson Learned FL wrote:

My understanding is that before a person can become a psychiatrist they must be psychoanlyzed themselves...how did he ever get past that hurdle in the military? He's not been licensed very long.

Good question!

[Shootist]

Shogun wrote:

<quoted text>We can agree that this was indeed an act of barbarism, no question about it. Was it terrorism? I am not sure, it appeared to be more personal in nature. I hope we can also agree that this was the act of a completely deranged man. News reports are suggestive of a man who had been going off the tracks for some time, and not unlike the krank who killed the students on the VT campus.
I am likewise incensed that anyone, including the media, should find any justification for his actions in how he may have been treated by fellow soldiers. But, so far I have not heard anyone actually attempting to excuse his behavior. I have heard the reports on Fox and other news outlets that he may have had a problem with being a Muslim in the service when our primary enemies at this time involve nations where Islam is the dominant religion. Is this an excuse? Of course it isn't, but it is news whether you or I like it or not. It is still part of the story and not telling it would not be giving the full story.
Don't get me wrong on this, I abhor violence even when it must be directed at our enemies but certainly our nation was given no choice in the conflict at hand and it was his choice to make the military his career.
This kind of violence is difficult to predict or interdict, not to be flippant about it, but it is "going postal" in the classic sense of the phrase.
There are no excuses or justifications for what he did and certainly whether he is tried in a civilian court or a military one he deserves the maximum penalty. And, though insanity may be his defense, the legal standard requires only that he knew the difference between right and wrong when he acted and that he knew the consequences of his actions i.e. that people would die or be wounded as a result his conduct. He can't escape that even as deranged as he may be.
What I don't see is how "political correctness" killed those people, what are you suggesting?

I agree of course... The thought crossed my mind concerning "political correctness" also... Not saying political correctness killed those people, but I do believe we live in a time where people are much less likely to point out what they may consider "danger signs" of someone they come in contact with. They may be ignored or labeled a bigot because some may see their complaints as discriminatory against a particular group....I see that as entirely possibly in some situations.

[Shootist]

"possible"

[Billyoceanfan4li fe]

Well I am waiting for the investigation. Yes, I think it was terrorism but I am not so sure it was related to religious fanaticism. I think it was likely other issues--who knows we may never know the real reasons. But in Florida today, a disgruntled worker returned to kill.

I understand the circumstances are a bit different but still the guy in Florida was not a Muslim, so I think stirring up rhetoric is not really helping anyone. Muslim groups are denouncing this attack.

I knew a great Muslim family a few years ago. Their kindness and generosity was unmatched, yet after 9/11 they were afraid to go to the Crossroads mall--which is sad. There was enough good people who lost their lives/family/friends yesterday, I don't want to see any other good people harmed.

[Lesson Learned FL]

Shootist wrote:

<quoted text>I agree of course... The thought crossed my mind concerning "political correctness" also... Not saying political correctness killed those people, but I do believe we live in a time where people are much less likely to point out what they may consider "danger signs" of someone they come in contact with. They may be ignored or labeled a bigot because some may see their complaints as discriminatory against a particular group....I see that as entirely possibly in some situations.

We put the Japanese Americans in camps during WWII...you would think it would be OK to at least ask Muslims in the military now...so what do you think of the war in the middle east.

[Baserunner]

Neighbor: Fort Hood suspect emptied his apartment
Associated Press, by JEFF CARLTON and MIKE BAKER

FORT HOOD, Texas – An Army psychiatrist suspected of opening fire on fellow soldiers at Fort Hood cleaned out his apartment and left a phone message saying goodbye to a friend in the days before the rampage that left 13 people dead, neighbors said Friday.(Snip) The manager of the apartment complex said Hasan recently was involved in a spat with another soldier living there over Hasan's religious beliefs.

This was a cold bloodied suicide mission like the original 9/11, the only thing that went wrong was that he was not shot dead.

[Shootist]

Lesson Learned FL wrote:

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We put the Japanese Americans in camps during WWII...you would think it would be OK to at least ask Muslims in the military now...so what do you think of the war in the middle east.

Exactly.. We agree again?:)....Yep.. we're not talking about torture her.... A qualified person with some questions and a clipboard may suffice.

[Baserunner]

Shogun wrote:

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What I don't see is how "political correctness" killed those people, what are you suggesting?

I'm not suggesting anything, the article was in the New York Post.
Ask them.

[Baserunner]

Lesson Learned FL wrote:

My understanding is that before a person can become a psychiatrist they must be psychoanlyzed themselves...how did he ever get past that hurdle in the military? He's not been licensed very long.

My experience in the Army was we operated 30 thousand megahertz radio's, and noboedy in our command had a FCC liscense, but before I could go to work as a Telegrapher for the Railroad, I had to pass an FCC, and pay a fee to get a liscense. There were Intern's in the MASH units in Korea operating on people. If there was a shortage or need of certain people, the liscense requirement was not on the front burner.
I do not know if that has changed since 1964 or not.

[Lesson Learned FL]

Shootist wrote:

<quoted text>Exactly.. We agree again?:)....Yep.. we're not talking about torture her.... A qualified person with some questions and a clipboard may suffice.

I guess because we're not discussing politics...:)

[Baserunner]

George W. Bush Visits Fort Hood, Wounded Soldiers
Associated Press, by Staff

Former President George W. Bush and his wife, Laura, visited wounded soldiers and their families near the site of the worst mass shooting on an Army post in the United States.(Snip) The Bushes made their private visit to Fort Hood's Darnall Army Medical Center on Friday night.

Firstest with the mostest, still trying to get along with the Liberals, now President Obama knows what and how to do what he should have done already.

[Lesson Learned FL]

Baserunner wrote:

George W. Bush Visits Fort Hood, Wounded Soldiers
Associated Press, by Staff
Former President George W. Bush and his wife, Laura, visited wounded soldiers and their families near the site of the worst mass shooting on an Army post in the United States.(Snip) The Bushes made their private visit to Fort Hood's Darnall Army Medical Center on Friday night.
Firstest with the mostest, still trying to get along with the Liberals, now President Obama knows what and how to do what he should have done already.

Why do you have to make everything political? Don't you think it's a lot easier for a former president who lives nearby to make a private visit than it would be for a sitting president? If Obama had already gone to Ft. Hood you would be criticizing him for capitalizing on the pain of those involved. You really have no shame.

[Baserunner]

The Hole at the Heart of Our Strategy
We’re scrupulously non-judgmental about the ideology that drives terrorism.

By Mark Steyn

Thirteen dead and 31 wounded would be a bad day for the U.S. military in Afghanistan, and a great victory for the Taliban. When it happens in Texas, in the heart of the biggest military base in the nation, at a processing center for soldiers either returning from or deploying to combat overseas, it is not merely a “tragedy”(as too many people called it) but a glimpse of a potentially fatal flaw at the heart of what we have called, since 9/11, the “War on Terror.” Brave soldiers trained to hunt down and kill America’s enemy abroad were killed in the safety and security of home by, in essence, the same enemy — a man who believes in and supports everything the enemy does.

And he’s a U.S. Army major.

And his superior officers and other authorities knew about his beliefs but seemed to think it was just a bit of harmless multicultural diversity — as if believing that “the Muslims should stand up and fight against the aggressor”(i.e., his fellow American soldiers) and writing Internet paeans to the “noble”“heroism” of suicide bombers and, indeed, objectively supporting the other side in an active war is to be regarded as just some kind of alternative lifestyle that adds to the general vibrancy of the base.

[Baserunner]

Lesson Learned FL wrote:

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Why do you have to make everything political? Don't you think it's a lot easier for a former president who lives nearby to make a private visit than it would be for a sitting president? If Obama had already gone to Ft. Hood you would be criticizing him for capitalizing on the pain of those involved. You really have no shame.

The only shame I have about this situation is that a US Army Offficer went beserk and killed innocent people. The actions of great Americans that live nearby just happen to do what is right, does not excuse the sitting CIC not having the pride of his office to at least visit the site and the people and let them know he supports their activities.
Myself, nor Mr. Bush have ever criticized any person for honorably doing their duty.