US Army Soldiers Are Brainwashed

US Army Soldiers Are Brainwashed

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J Murtha

United States

#1 Aug 1, 2008
After serving 8 years in the Air Force, Ive come
to the realization that the majority of all US
soldiers are programmed, and cant think for
themselves, soldiers have to cheer idiots like
Bush when he visit thier base. They cant disagree
with the chain of command, its ridicolous, dont
know why I gave the Air Force 8 years of my life
J Murtha

United States

#2 Aug 1, 2008
And no Im not an angry liberal, Im not an
angry person, Its just my opinion after recently
getting out of the service 1 month ago
to the angry liberal

Temple, TX

#3 Aug 2, 2008
oh.... go away all I hear is blah, blah, blah . Don't you have anything better to do cranky old man? Yeah, your a liberal. All I hear is yadda yadda yadda, gripe, gripe, gripe. Some prunes may help with your disposition.
txauctioneer

United States

#4 Aug 2, 2008
I spent over 6 years in the Air Force and while you must follow orders, it does not mean that you can't vote or speak your mind, although you can not do so while wearing the uniform, as while you are in uniform you are representing your country (and everyone in it, regardless of political beliefs).

You are not REQUIRED to cheer anyone. You many stand in silence, but you must show the respect for the chain of command. However, this also applies in the civilian world, as well. You may not agree with the CEO of the company you work for, but you may not be working there for long, should you wish to publicly air your disagreements about those that employ you.

I have no qualms about the years of my life that I gave to serve my country. I feel that if we followed the guidelines of most other countries in the world and required all 18year olds to enlist for at least 2 years, it would probably reduced a lot of the crime we have and instill a bit more responsibility that seems to be lacking in a lot of today's youth.
frag out

Copperas Cove, TX

#5 Aug 2, 2008
So you left after 8 years, you are done with it. Why are you crying about it?
J Murtha wrote:
After serving 8 years in the Air Force, Ive come
to the realization that the majority of all US
soldiers are programmed, and cant think for
themselves, soldiers have to cheer idiots like
Bush when he visit thier base. They cant disagree
with the chain of command, its ridicolous, dont
know why I gave the Air Force 8 years of my life

Since: Dec 07

Killeen, TX

#6 Aug 2, 2008
How does 8 years in the Air Force give you the experience to comment on Soldiers?
txauctioneer

United States

#7 Aug 2, 2008
Unless they changed something that I don't know about, it's only a 4 year enlistment with a 2 year Reserve status, unless you do like I did and just sign up for 6 years active duty. So, I have to question why he reenlisted (or volunteered to extend) in the first place, if it was so bad.
txauctioneer

United States

#8 Aug 2, 2008
NCO, It really doesn't have anything to with soldiers, per se, as the same applies to everyone in the military, regardless of the branch of service. I don't know if he is trying to aggravate or what, but I know there aren't any differences in the military protocol, just because he was in the Air Force.

Of course, there's always that "friendly competition" between the military branches and everyone thinks their branch is better than the others. However, I'm not going to get into that one. I have the utmost respect for anyone that chose to serve their country, regardless of their choice of military service.
frag out

Copperas Cove, TX

#9 Aug 2, 2008
To the OP. Since you only were Air Force, what makes you start a thread titled "US Army Soldiers Are Brainwasher?"
Do me a favor and stick to what you know-looking pretty, clothes are folded nicely, and properly kissing up to superiors.
txauctioneer

United States

#10 Aug 2, 2008
OH? so you're saying that you don't have to do those things in the army?
frag out

Copperas Cove, TX

#11 Aug 3, 2008
Accomplishing the mission comes first. Making it look pretty is further down the list of priorities.
txauctioneer wrote:
OH? so you're saying that you don't have to do those things in the army?

Since: Dec 07

Killeen, TX

#12 Aug 3, 2008
While I will not disrespect any other service, I think the guy that started this, is an idiot. He titled it Soldiers, because if he had put Airmen, no one would read it. My Brother did about 8 years in the AF, I have a couple cousins that retired from the Coast Guard, and my Son is an active duty Marine in Iraq again. The Military is the same as any other job, you get out of it, what your willing to put into it. I have never been ordered to applaud anyone for any reason, but then I have only been in 22 years so far.
txauctioneer

United States

#13 Aug 3, 2008
NCO... you and I are in complete agreement.

However, fragout... I think is a little "off-base" as well. There's no difference between the services, when it comes to getting the job done, just as you better have your boots shined and fatigues pressed when you step into formation.

Since: Dec 07

Killeen, TX

#14 Aug 3, 2008
Fatigues and boots you polish are out, boots are brown swede now..LOL.
frag out

Copperas Cove, TX

#15 Aug 3, 2008
I wouldn't comment on the Air Force being brainwashed if I only served so many years in the Army. That's what "grinds my gears." </humor>
I think service members do get to speak their minds. Although I don't agree with the many groups, such as IVAW, I won't bash them.
txauctioneer

United States

#16 Aug 3, 2008
WHAT! SUEDE? and back to the "ole brown shoe days?" oh boy... I guess I'm giving away my age now.

As far as groups such as IVAW, they have the right to speak their mind, but I also don't agree with them, nor do they represent the majority of military members or veterans. We had similar jerks, when I was in (Kerry was certainly one of them). However, what really "grinds my gears" is we have a Volunteer force, now (as opposed to the draft, during my years) and these guys are still going to gripe.

NCO and frag, you both have my highest regard for your service to our country. A sincere Thanks goes to both of you, as well as the jerk that started this, although I certainly don't agree with the disrespect that he showed in starting this thread.
J Murtha

United States

#17 Aug 4, 2008
I served with soldiers of all branches while
in the service, I,m speaking on what I observed
while I was in. The majority of the soldiers are
brainwashed, but the Army is by far the worst.
I,m not trying to knock anyone, these are things
that I wanted to say when I was in and couldnt.
And yes I did reenlist, and I now realize that
It was a mistake. I would have been further in
life financially if I wouldnt have bought into
the rubbish. What I mean is,the majority of
the senior NCO,S try to make you believe that
the service is all there is in life, they use the
scare tactic like you will never be able to get
a decent job, Im speaking on facts, I was an NCO
and I made those comments to lower ranking soldiers, I,m 27 years old and attending college
to become a lawyer, I just feel like I wasted 8
good years of my life in the service, I would
have completed my law degree if not for the Air Force
txauctioneer

United States

#18 Aug 4, 2008
I can't quite agree with your assessment. After 6 years, I went on to a very good career and the time spent helped to learn factors, such as leadership (saying the things you need to to promote the best from those beneath your supervision), self-responsibility, and many other life skills, not to mention the technical skills I learned in the service. I also took advantage of the GI during and after I got out.

27 is NOT old and you still have a good many years ahead of you. I suspect that after a few years, you will look back and realize the benefits and experience was worth it. I wish you well in life and your education in law. But it's never too late to improve or change your life, work or social status. I started over in my early 40's and though not as successful, so far, as I was in my younger years, I will always strive to do my best and that sheer determination of seeing things through is probably due to my years in the Air Force.

One thing you can't change is the past, but you look at it from a perspective of learning, you will be further ahead, than a pessimistic attitude of what might have been had you done things different. Take the challenges that lie ahead with the determination and skills that I know you acquired and you're going to be one of the best.

Good Luck

Since: Apr 07

Deep In The Heart Of Texas

#19 Aug 4, 2008
U_S_ Army_NCO wrote:
How does 8 years in the Air Force give you the experience to comment on Soldiers?
You would think someone that was actually in the Air Force would know the difference. I guess not.

Since: Apr 07

Deep In The Heart Of Texas

#20 Aug 4, 2008
J Murtha wrote:
I served with soldiers of all branches while
in the service, I,m speaking on what I observed
while I was in. The majority of the soldiers are
brainwashed, but the Army is by far the worst.
I,m not trying to knock anyone, these are things
that I wanted to say when I was in and couldnt.
And yes I did reenlist, and I now realize that
It was a mistake. I would have been further in
life financially if I wouldnt have bought into
the rubbish. What I mean is,the majority of
the senior NCO,S try to make you believe that
the service is all there is in life, they use the
scare tactic like you will never be able to get
a decent job, Im speaking on facts, I was an NCO
and I made those comments to lower ranking soldiers, I,m 27 years old and attending college
to become a lawyer, I just feel like I wasted 8
good years of my life in the service, I would
have completed my law degree if not for the Air Force
I hope college life improves your sentence structure.

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