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WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama, seeking to make a case for health-insurance regulation, told a poignant story to a joint session of Congress last week. An Illinois man getting chemotherapy was dropped from his insurance plan when his insurer discovered an unreported gallstone the patient hadn't known about.

"They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it," the president said in the nationally televised address.

In fact, the man, Otto S. Raddatz, didn't die because the insurance company rescinded his coverage once he became ill, an act known as recission. The efforts of his sister and the office of Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan got Raddatz's policy reinstated within three weeks of his April 2005 rescission and secured a life-extending stem-cell transplant for him. Raddatz died this year, nearly four years after the insurance showdown.

The patient's sister, Peggy M. Raddatz, testified before the House Energy and Commerce oversight subcommittee June 16 that her brother ultimately received treatment that "extended his life approximately three years." Nowhere in the hearing did she say her brother died because of the delay.

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I'm not a member of the House of Representatives so I can say this: He lied (again)!
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Re: "Columnist right to blame racism," Mark Yasuhara, Aiea.

Are you for real??? No, the only thing Maureen Dowd exposed is that there are Obama supporters who will go to any low to discredit Obama critics, even with trumped-up false accusations of racism.
These folks are doing their utmost to create a situation where no one can oppose this President without appearing a racist, but this tactic will backfire on the Democrats and the Left, as it will further anger and galvanize Obama's opposition. I'm not even haole, but every time I hear another racial accusation, it makes me angry because I feel the Democrats are not addressing the legitimate concerns of citizens, but rather attacking the citizens -- especially when coming from the mouths of elected officials like Nancy Pelosi, Charles Rangel, and Hank Johnson.

Regarding the color disparity: First, whites are still an overwhelming majority across the mainland. Second, whites are more likely to be politically conservative. Three, whites make up a larger part of the middle class who are the ones often turning out for the townhalls. Four, the pro-Obama media you are watching is likely skewing the story to show whites-only.

Regarding the statement, "It doesn't seem to make much difference what the issue is; if it comes from this administration, it's trashed by his opponents," -- the exact same could have been said about the Bush Administration.
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Seems like a lot of racists voted for
Obama but now have turned on him...
according to Jimmy Carter and others.
Jimmy has set back race relations
and just has to be in the spot light
He was a terrible President and is
a terrible ex President. The Acorn
scandal will explode in Washington
and racism will be blamed for it.
Obamas popularity has gone from 70
to 50. Racism. Pelosi popularity is
down to 14%. Racism. I guess.
Harry Reid is going to get beat.
More racism. White men let Tiger
win at golf because they are racists
and lose concentration. Everything is
due to racism except the fact Hawaii is
broke. Lets blame Captain Cook.
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Self-serving and unfounded accusations of "racism" is a form a racism. To attempt to exploit old wounds in order to advance your political agenda is reprehensible.

Just because people disagree (even rudely) doesn't give you the right to retaliate with McCarthyist-style slander.
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Sorry for the double entry. Please keep the one with correct grammar.

“Live Love Laugh.. and Surf! :)”

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"Finally someone has acknowledged the racism underlying the chaos of the recent town hall meetings and related protests against President Barack Obama's health reform program and other issues."

It's amusing how when Obama ran for president the press made race an issue. They are still doing it in order to try to distract from resolving issues while Obama is making things worse for the next generations who have to foot the bills.

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Hawaiian Republican wrote:
Four, the pro-Obama media you are watching is likely skewing the story to show whites-only.
The local Hawai'i media does this too when it comes to Democrats and Republicans.


Unfortunately this time national media outlets show white people who are protesting thus making it a race issue. However for some of us it is a doing-the-right-thing issue.
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Hawaiian Republican wrote:
WASHINGTON -- President Barack Obama, seeking to make a case for health-insurance regulation, told a poignant story to a joint session of Congress last week. An Illinois man getting chemotherapy was dropped from his insurance plan when his insurer discovered an unreported gallstone the patient hadn't known about.
"They delayed his treatment, and he died because of it," the president said in the nationally televised address.
In fact, the man, Otto S. Raddatz, didn't die because the insurance company rescinded his coverage once he became ill, an act known as recission. The efforts of his sister and the office of Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan got Raddatz's policy reinstated within three weeks of his April 2005 rescission and secured a life-extending stem-cell transplant for him. Raddatz died this year, nearly four years after the insurance showdown.
The patient's sister, Peggy M. Raddatz, testified before the House Energy and Commerce oversight subcommittee June 16 that her brother ultimately received treatment that "extended his life approximately three years." Nowhere in the hearing did she say her brother died because of the delay.
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I'm not a member of the House of Representatives so I can say this: He lied (again)!
Did you get this from American Thinker? Well, since you like to post quotes without giving credit, here's one for you....

"Peggy Raddatz, whose brother Otto Raddatz lost his insurance coverage right before he was scheduled to receive an expensive stem-cell transplant to treat his lymphoma. Why? Because Fortis Insurance Company discovered his doctor had found gall stones and an aneurysm on a CT scan -- conditions that had nothing to do with his cancer, that never bothered him and that he wasn't even aware of. And Jennifer Wittney Horton of Los Angeles, California, whose coverage was canceled because she had been taking a drug for irregular menstruation. Now, she can't get coverage anywhere else.'Since my rescission, I have had to take jobs that I do not want, and put my career goals on hold to ensure that I can find health insurance,' she told the subcommittee."

The subcommittee's chairman, Democrat Bart Stupak of Michigan, called the hearing to highlight the obnoxious and unethical practice called rescission. His researchers produced performance reviews of insurance company bureaucrats who were praised and rewarded for kicking people off their coverage.

Then Stupak asked three health insurance executives the big question: Will your company pledge to end the practice of rescission except in cases of intentional fraud?

All three health insurance executives said no.
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Re: "Columnist right to blame racism," Mark Yasuhara, Aiea.
Are you for real??? No, the only thing Maureen Dowd exposed is that there are Obama supporters who will go to any low to discredit Obama critics, even with trumped-up false accusations of racism.
These folks are doing their utmost to create a situation where no one can oppose this President without appearing a racist, but this tactic will backfire on the Democrats and the Left, as it will further anger and galvanize Obama's opposition. I'm not even haole, but every time I hear another racial accusation, it makes me angry because I feel the Democrats are not addressing the legitimate concerns of citizens, but rather attacking the citizens -- especially when coming from the mouths of elected officials like Nancy Pelosi, Charles Rangel, and Hank Johnson.
Regarding the color disparity: First, whites are still an overwhelming majority across the mainland. Second, whites are more likely to be politically conservative. Three, whites make up a larger part of the middle class who are the ones often turning out for the townhalls. Four, the pro-Obama media you are watching is likely skewing the story to show whites-only.
Regarding the statement, "It doesn't seem to make much difference what the issue is; if it comes from this administration, it's trashed by his opponents," -- the exact same could have been said about the Bush Administration.
Golly! This coming from the side who claims Obama is everything from Communist, to Marxist, to Socialist to being the second coming of Hitler. But not a person who upholds democracy.

Why does being called a racist hurt so much? Is it simply the perception?
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-Lana- wrote:
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The local Hawai'i media does this too when it comes to Democrats and Republicans.
Unfortunately this time national media outlets show white people who are protesting thus making it a race issue. However for some of us it is a doing-the-right-thing issue.
Yes, I'm sure it's true for "some of you."
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-Lana- wrote:
"Finally someone has acknowledged the racism underlying the chaos of the recent town hall meetings and related protests against President Barack Obama's health reform program and other issues."
It's amusing how when Obama ran for president the press made race an issue. They are still doing it in order to try to distract from resolving issues while Obama is making things worse for the next generations who have to foot the bills.
lol! Yes. You should talk to Edward Kelly (a couple posts above yours) about racism. Seems he's all fired up about it too.
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"Flights to Maui should be direct"

Hermine, there ARE direct flights from LAX and SFO...on United and USAir that I know of...perhaps Hawaiian decided not to go head to head with them but you certainly do not need to go through HNL to get to OGG.
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Yeah, don't you ever sleep?[:>
The left uses the race card whenever they don't have, or are losing, the argument. If I were ever called a racist, I wouldn't slink away with deep suppressed guilt, I'd merely respond, "Prove it."
'By my actions, so I will be known', or something like that.
Merely calling a guy a liar is not racist, heck I've called family members worse. My neighbor has called me an effing haole for no more reason than I am here. Now, that's racist.
I might add another reason to Hawn Repub as to why the crowds are mostly Caucasian - they pay their own way and aren't bussed in by ACORN or SEIU. Apparently most don't mind spending their own money to get a point across.
Keep up the good fight, folks.
Hawaiian Republican

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Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>Did you get this from American Thinker? Well, since you like to post quotes without giving credit, here's one for you....
"Peggy Raddatz, whose brother Otto Raddatz lost his insurance coverage right before he was scheduled to receive an expensive stem-cell transplant to treat his lymphoma. Why? Because Fortis Insurance Company discovered his doctor had found gall stones and an aneurysm on a CT scan -- conditions that had nothing to do with his cancer, that never bothered him and that he wasn't even aware of. And Jennifer Wittney Horton of Los Angeles, California, whose coverage was canceled because she had been taking a drug for irregular menstruation. Now, she can't get coverage anywhere else.'Since my rescission, I have had to take jobs that I do not want, and put my career goals on hold to ensure that I can find health insurance,' she told the subcommittee."
The subcommittee's chairman, Democrat Bart Stupak of Michigan, called the hearing to highlight the obnoxious and unethical practice called rescission. His researchers produced performance reviews of insurance company bureaucrats who were praised and rewarded for kicking people off their coverage.
Then Stupak asked three health insurance executives the big question: Will your company pledge to end the practice of rescission except in cases of intentional fraud?
All three health insurance executives said no.
The problem of rescission by health insurance companies should be appropriately addressed. I and the GOP at large would agree with that issue and would like to see that addressed in any health reform. No one would agree with the practice of rescission, and the government can address that easy enough by making it unlawful.
(When McDonalds is doing something that should be illegal, the government doesn't have to create its own fast-food chain to compete with McDonalds to address the issue).
The issue posted, however, is that Obama told a fib. He said the man died because his treatment was delayed. That's not true. He twisted the story for his own purposes. That's disingenuous.
By the by, I will post my sources at my pleasure, as I feel necessary, not yours. If you ask me for my source, I may oblige you. Else, learn to "google".
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<quoted text>Golly! This coming from the side who claims Obama is everything from Communist, to Marxist, to Socialist to being the second coming of Hitler. But not a person who upholds democracy.
Why does being called a racist hurt so much? Is it simply the perception?
First, as bad or worse was said of Bush. Second, the vast majority of people do not compare Obama as such, but rather just a misguided Liberal who is taking the country in the wrong direction. You may some people holding signs that say "Communist," "Socialist," and "Marxist," but what about the 100 that have signs without those words or who aren't holding any signs at all?

(Just because I stand next to a guy wearing a shirt that says, "I'm gay," doesn't make me gay too!)

I'm sure if we scan the Internet, we can find Bush protesters holding "Hitler" or "Dictator" signs about him, but it doesn't mean everyone at the rally had the same feeling.

Is explaining such elementary things really necessary among adults?
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Pearl City Senior wrote:
Yeah, don't you ever sleep?[:>
The left uses the race card whenever they don't have, or are losing, the argument. If I were ever called a racist, I wouldn't slink away with deep suppressed guilt, I'd merely respond, "Prove it."
'By my actions, so I will be known', or something like that.
Merely calling a guy a liar is not racist, heck I've called family members worse. My neighbor has called me an effing haole for no more reason than I am here. Now, that's racist.
I might add another reason to Hawn Repub as to why the crowds are mostly Caucasian - they pay their own way and aren't bussed in by ACORN or SEIU. Apparently most don't mind spending their own money to get a point across.
Keep up the good fight, folks.
lol! The left uses it when they're losing an argument? Why don't you simply look at post 3 above? Seems to me that person isn't on the side of the left.

If you feel calling a person a liar is acceptable, so be it. And in this case, I will ask... prove it. Just like when they claim he's marxist or communist or socialist or anything else except the democratic American president.
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Hawaiian Republican wrote:
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The problem of rescission by health insurance companies should be appropriately addressed. I and the GOP at large would agree with that issue and would like to see that addressed in any health reform. No one would agree with the practice of rescission, and the government can address that easy enough by making it unlawful.
(When McDonalds is doing something that should be illegal, the government doesn't have to create its own fast-food chain to compete with McDonalds to address the issue).
The issue posted, however, is that Obama told a fib. He said the man died because his treatment was delayed. That's not true. He twisted the story for his own purposes. That's disingenuous.
By the by, I will post my sources at my pleasure, as I feel necessary, not yours. If you ask me for my source, I may oblige you. Else, learn to "google".
You see, you apply what I say about tort reform (which is strictly a financial issue) to rescission (which is a health issue). And the issue is health.

As for your McDonald's scenario, it's odd that you would choose a fast food place as your example in health care.

The issue posted was your claim Obama told a fib. The story was twisted (or truncated) unless you read the transcripts. How on earth can his sister determine the length of his life? I don't even recall doctors who can do that. And besides, you didn't give the full account of the events. Now that is disingenuous.

You can post your sources at your pleasure... to meet your needs. That makes you no different than anyone else who tries to twist the stories. Because I have no problems with people's opinions on the issue since it's not factual. It seems to be sop.
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Hawaiian Republican wrote:
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First, as bad or worse was said of Bush. Second, the vast majority of people do not compare Obama as such, but rather just a misguided Liberal who is taking the country in the wrong direction. You may some people holding signs that say "Communist," "Socialist," and "Marxist," but what about the 100 that have signs without those words or who aren't holding any signs at all?
(Just because I stand next to a guy wearing a shirt that says, "I'm gay," doesn't make me gay too!)
I'm sure if we scan the Internet, we can find Bush protesters holding "Hitler" or "Dictator" signs about him, but it doesn't mean everyone at the rally had the same feeling.
Is explaining such elementary things really necessary among adults?
I donít think Bush got it worse. In fact, I think he had it better since he was elected twice. Second, the pictures Iíve seen and the ruckus being made are coming from the radical right comparing Obama. They arenít misguided and I donít believe they are color blind either.

Yes,ďÖJust because I stand next to a guy wearing a shirt that says, "I'm gay," doesn't make me gay too!ÖĒ I agree. And yet, you translate certain Obama nominees with financial issues to Obama. Just like acorn. Just like Blago. To me, your concept here is correct. You just donít apply it equally unless the others are of the same political color you are. Now thatís disingenuous.

If looking for Bush and Hilter signs is your thing and will prove your point, you ought to do it. Donít tell me what you CAN do or what youíre ďsureĒ of, just do it. Itís really that simple unless youíre too lazy or donít know what youíre point is.

See, you understand the concepts quite well. Youíre just selective about how you apply it.
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So were all the blacks that criticized President Bush racists?
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Hawaiian Republican wrote:
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First, as bad or worse was said of Bush. Second, the vast majority of people do not compare Obama as such, but rather just a misguided Liberal who is taking the country in the wrong direction. You may some people holding signs that say "Communist," "Socialist," and "Marxist," but what about the 100 that have signs without those words or who aren't holding any signs at all?
(Just because I stand next to a guy wearing a shirt that says, "I'm gay," doesn't make me gay too!)
I'm sure if we scan the Internet, we can find Bush protesters holding "Hitler" or "Dictator" signs about him, but it doesn't mean everyone at the rally had the same feeling.
Is explaining such elementary things really necessary among adults?
Thank you for the sensible post.
It makes those that communicate with you not look as crazy.
On another positive note. It's nice to see the discussion has not degenerated to talk about 'Orly' either- another good sign.
Lingle had a good message to the Maui News yesterday: mauinews.com
There is some hope for Republicans.

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