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One thing was missing from Barack Obama's acceptance speech in Denver, the word "Hawaii." Hawaii wasn't even mentioned in his 10-minute biography video. Full Story
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willie

Farmington, MI

#1 Sep 2, 2008
Ok all you political posters out there here is a newsflash for you.....saying something bad about your opponet (be you for the RNC or the DNC)does NOT make your candidate look better by comparrison. How about knocking of the mud slinging and tell everyone why your choice is the best. You yourself and your party a disservice to just say "he/she is bad" without ever saying my choice will do.....(fill in the blank)

“Time for Gonzo!”

Since: Aug 08

USA

#2 Sep 2, 2008
Willie,

It is a sad fact that conservatives have been among the worst mudslingers in the past elections. Ranging from the Arkansas Project in the Clinto years to the swiftboating campaign against John Kerry. In the current race, Obama has come under attack from the same people who attacked Kerry four years ago. Kerry didn't reply to the attacks and tried to take the high road. That cost him the election.

While liberals have their share of mudslingers, they are dwarfed in numbers and finances by the conservative attack dogs. If you look at Craigslist "Rant & Raves" as well as the forums on the Advertiser's website, you'll see conservatives hard at work, attacking Obama on a personal level. They do it because they know that persoanl attacks work in Presidential politics.

From the past two elections, Democrats have learned that they must attack back if they want to stand a chance.
willie

Farmington, MI

#3 Sep 2, 2008
Gonzo808 wrote:
Willie,
It is a sad fact that conservatives have been among the worst mudslingers in the past elections. Ranging from the Arkansas Project in the Clinto years to the swiftboating campaign against John Kerry. In the current race, Obama has come under attack from the same people who attacked Kerry four years ago. Kerry didn't reply to the attacks and tried to take the high road. That cost him the election.
While liberals have their share of mudslingers, they are dwarfed in numbers and finances by the conservative attack dogs. If you look at Craigslist "Rant & Raves" as well as the forums on the Advertiser's website, you'll see conservatives hard at work, attacking Obama on a personal level. They do it because they know that persoanl attacks work in Presidential politics.
From the past two elections, Democrats have learned that they must attack back if they want to stand a chance.
So people posting on here should take the high road. No mud slinging on the SB forum...right?
Aiea Independent

Lexington Park, MD

#4 Sep 2, 2008
Gonzo, that's a lot of hogwash! Both political party machines throw enough mud to make folks on both sides equally dirty. The liberals also are just as well-funded as the conservatives.

Also, not every toss of mud can be blamed to the candidate. There are many special interest groups on both sides of political ideology that are pushing or protecting their own interests. The Swift Boat group you eluded worked to bring down Kerry on their own just like pro-abortion groups are currently working to undermine McCain.

Personal attacks work because no one can harness them. We often hear ourselves and other voters say we don't like personal attacks, but it is usually what the candidates (including our own) resort to when they try to set themselves apart (and above) their opponents.

You show yourself to be too biased and/or blinded when you say that one party or ideology is responsible for all the mudslinging. There is no dwarfing of either side in this sport.
dargent77

AOL

#5 Sep 2, 2008
McSame's pick as VP, this former beauty queen, is joke!
It comes out her 17 year old daughter is 5 months "in the family way". Probably got knocked up at 16.
Where's the daddy? He sure signed up karmicly for a great adjunt to his life, or he'll become a raging alcoholic.
Didn't mommy teach Bristol about Nancy Reagan's abstenience, "Just Say No"? These Republican dolt's lead by McCain is so hypocritical, repleat with bald face lies, they will loose in Nov., and America will welcome a true visionary, thoughtful, intelligent president. With none of the baggage the othe two bring along for the ride.
Connie

Orange, CA

#7 Sep 2, 2008
Dargent77 - huh? Sorry, it's difficult to follow your 'visionary, thoughtful, intelligent' post. Obama is all smoke and mirrors with regard to those traits. That expensive, exclusive private school did at least teach him to read and orate well, except when he's off teleprommpter and reveals his own lack of depth.

Every family has its achievements and disappointments. A family shows its love and adhesiveness when mistakes occur and all pull together to find a solution. Sarah Palin's daughter made a mistake. While the best, safest choice might be to give up the child for adoption, they are also choosing admirably to bear the difficulties of keeping a child at such a young age. More power to them. Isn't it all about choice? Or should she have been forced, as in communist China, to undergo an abortion?

i haven't seen a single conservative who is turned off by Sarah Palin now that the Democrats are salivating over her family's choices. Comments like yours, however, are definitely causing them to rally around her to protect her from the mud slinging people like you are attempting.
Pau

Prescott, AZ

#8 Sep 2, 2008
Connie - you make a good point in your rebuttal to the idiot fringe of the blogging community. We soon will be faced with the "stay out of Hawaii" theme. I will soon be faced with the teachings of abstinence to my daughter. Don't you think that the point to drive home to teenagers is that, if you choose to not live by the parents teachings, make sure you have other options in place to avoid potentially unwanted pregancy by using contraceptives? Or is this not the conservative way of thinking?
Keith Haugen

Kailua, HI

#9 Sep 2, 2008
Aloha:

If you are not ashamed of your position or what you have to say, I think all Star-Bulletin readers who post messages on these boards should sign their name (REAL name) and tell us where they are from.

In fact, the Star-Bulletin should require it, just as they do for letters to the editor that are published in the print version of the paper.

When I worked at the S-B, we didn't even read letters that were not signed. They properly were tossed into the round file.

I have decided not to read the unsigned letters, and to never respond to the attack letters written by those who don't tell us who they are.

Keith Haugen
Nu`uanu
Former Star-Bulletin writer/editor
Pops

Aiea, HI

#10 Sep 2, 2008
[Even Obama was nice enough to say children should not be involved so why don;t you close your Trap..DOPE VP, this former beauty queen, is joke!
It comes out her 17 year old daughter is 5 months "in the family way". Probably got knocked up at 16.
Where's the daddy? He sure signed up karmicly for a great adjunt to his life, or he'll become a raging alcoholic.
Didn't mommy teach Bristol about Nancy Reagan's abstenience, "Just Say No"? These Republican dolt's lead by McCain is so hypocritical, repleat with bald face lies, they will loose in Nov., and America will welcome a true visionary, thoughtful, intelligent president. With none of the baggage the othe two bring along for the ride
Pops

Aiea, HI

#11 Sep 2, 2008
[gggggg
Connie

Orange, CA

#12 Sep 2, 2008
Pau - we were fortunate. Our kids went to Hanalani, and our values were reinforced at school. In addition, I made both aware that above all they should keep consequences in mind and use protection if they went against our values. Our daughter was married Sunday, and has been a beautiful example of what we believe in thus far. We were blessed with two very easy children, but I have many friends who have gone through trials but still endured and thrived.
Connie

Orange, CA

#13 Sep 2, 2008
Keith - I live in Waipahu. It shows as "United States" only because we are currently on the mainland celebrating our daughter's wedding. I don't post my last name as I don't trust unnamed bloggers with whom I disagree to not seek greater retribution than just a nasty response.
KrisC

AOL

#14 Sep 2, 2008
I cannot support such a shallow choice of vice-presidential candidate as Sarah Palin. Barack Obama is a Harvard-educated lawyer who has dedicated his life to public service and Joe Biden, his choice for VP, holds a law degree from Syracuse University and has a long and distinguished career in Congress. Sarah Palin graduated from the Univ. of Idaho with a degree in journalism. I believe Palin is nothing more than a functionary mouthpiece for Sen. McCain who will ultimately open up the Artic National Wildlife Refuge to the oil interests. On that & Sarah Palin's lack of education, I will vote Obama/Biden in Nov.
informed

Tucson, AZ

#15 Sep 2, 2008
Kudos to Obama for coming out and condemning those wackos at DailyKos and other MSM losers for picking on a 17 yr old. I was watching CNN last night and the "reporter" there who went to "investigate internet chatter" (code word for DailyKos, as this was THE ONLY site who started rumors about Palin taking her daughter's baby -the one with Down's Syndrome- as her own and such). Classy Libs. I am not naive, however, to think that people in his campaign are going to abide by his condemnation.
informed

Tucson, AZ

#17 Sep 2, 2008
Gonzo808 wrote:
Willie,
It is a sad fact that conservatives have been among the worst mudslingers in the past elections. Ranging from the Arkansas Project in the Clinto years to the swiftboating campaign against John Kerry. In the current race, Obama has come under attack from the same people who attacked Kerry four years ago. Kerry didn't reply to the attacks and tried to take the high road. That cost him the election.
While liberals have their share of mudslingers, they are dwarfed in numbers and finances by the conservative attack dogs. If you look at Craigslist "Rant & Raves" as well as the forums on the Advertiser's website, you'll see conservatives hard at work, attacking Obama on a personal level. They do it because they know that persoanl attacks work in Presidential politics.
From the past two elections, Democrats have learned that they must attack back if they want to stand a chance.
Name ONE personal attack. Just one. His "attacks" (I happen to use that word VERY lightly as pointing out someone's POLITICAL faults as NOT personal attacks) are questions from voters about his choices and associations as a political figure. If you bring up his church, it is a valid argument because he stayed there when there was hate being spewed. Turn the page and think if it had been a white guy sitting in a church where they spewed hate about the black man....... Would never fly. everyone has to be held to the same standard and excuses cannot be given because you are a minority, it is okay. WRONG. Again, name one personal attack made against him by any of us posters. Are you as upset about McCain being "attacked" too?
KrisC

AOL

#18 Sep 2, 2008
Keith Haugen, former StarBulletin writer/editor: Now you know very well that newspapers and their writers are protected by laws and they have very big lawyers to protect them for what they say, no matter how ridiculous it is. Singular people do not have that protection, nor do they have editors to cut something that might be a liability. I'd love to get my name in lights, but I'm just one person out there & don't want some big machine going after me just because I said some little thing they didn't like. I think it's great people are able to express their opinions in blogs instead of being mind-controlled by journalists. THERE IS WAY TOO MUCH OF THAT AS IT IS!!!!
Pau

Prescott, AZ

#19 Sep 2, 2008
Connie - congratulations are in order. Also it is well stated and I will heed the experience of others. There must have been a special on weddings this weekend. We encountered a few on our travels and coworkers and neighbors had them going on.

Keith - you have every right to choose whose letters or blogs you view. Maybe you have not been exposed or heard that there are very scandalous internet lunatics present. Women are more so targeted than men. It would be nice if we still lived by the life standard of the 40's and 50's, but that is not the case.
informed

Tucson, AZ

#20 Sep 2, 2008
Keith Haugen wrote:
Aloha:
If you are not ashamed of your position or what you have to say, I think all Star-Bulletin readers who post messages on these boards should sign their name (REAL name) and tell us where they are from.
In fact, the Star-Bulletin should require it, just as they do for letters to the editor that are published in the print version of the paper.
When I worked at the S-B, we didn't even read letters that were not signed. They properly were tossed into the round file.
I have decided not to read the unsigned letters, and to never respond to the attack letters written by those who don't tell us who they are.
Keith Haugen
Nu`uanu
Former Star-Bulletin writer/editor
Most posters have clarified where they are from. As for using our real names, that is none of your business. I stand behind everything I say and have never posted under a different "name". That does not make me a coward in the least. Why did you take your picture down/registered user sattus if you're so concerned with non anonymity? You know as much about me as my associates do, you just do not know my real name. Who cares? Oops forgot, you won't respond. My bad.
informed

Tucson, AZ

#21 Sep 2, 2008
Pau wrote:
Connie - you make a good point in your rebuttal to the idiot fringe of the blogging community. We soon will be faced with the "stay out of Hawaii" theme. I will soon be faced with the teachings of abstinence to my daughter. Don't you think that the point to drive home to teenagers is that, if you choose to not live by the parents teachings, make sure you have other options in place to avoid potentially unwanted pregancy by using contraceptives? Or is this not the conservative way of thinking?
Of course Conservatives profess abstinence as best, but the take home point, in my case, is that it is NOT the government's job (namely public schools) to take away my position as a parent and in essence usurp my authority in teaching sex education. My biggest beef is that why do they think they can do a better job than I and who gave away that right as a parent to teach their kids about sex? I know there are many kids out there who may not have a trusted parent.adult in their life, but why use our schools as an avenue? My oldest daughter had a mandatory (WHY??!) sex education "seminar" to attend (In sixth grade no less). No information was sent home to notify parents what would be discussed and if it was alright to teach my child things. They also had one about drugs. What are they teaching? I asked the principal where was the info packet to inform parents? No valid answer. I volunteered at the school for my youngest daughter on a regular basis and still was not informed. The only way I found out was when my daughter came home and told me about those upcoming meetings. Again, why is it the governement's responsibilty and who gave them permission?
Grant

Honolulu, HI

#22 Sep 2, 2008
I believe Kelly O'Brien is really only jealous of Obama. Just like the little brother who adores his older sibling, he feels left out and unrecognized by his elder sibling. Almost nobody doubts the effect Hawaii had on the upbringing of Barak Obama and how his experiences here helped shape his world view. Luck he didn't hang out with Kelly...

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