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Mayor Mufi Hannemann's announcement of a scaled-down plan to connect the planned rail system to the airport is a welcome development .

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steve

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May 29, 2008
 
And an 'F' for me for obvious reasons!
Stan

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May 29, 2008
 

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I wish you Democrats would stop Bush Bashing (he will be out of office in a few months anyway) and get to the business of picking a presidential candidate..... Come on, get your act together. I want to know who I'm going to get to vote against.
LOL LOL LOL
RepublicanBasher

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May 29, 2008
 
Stan wrote:
I wish you Democrats would stop Bush Bashing (he will be out of office in a few months anyway) and get to the business of picking a presidential candidate..... Come on, get your act together. I want to know who I'm going to get to vote against.
LOL LOL LOL
Doesn't matter.... you'll STILL be on the LOSING team...(as always)
VFW

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May 29, 2008
 

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Pulog wrote:
Wilson: They impeached Clinton over a lie, but Bush "walks" lying creating a war.
COMMENT: When a man is convicted of a crime because of the testimony of a witness, but later proven innocent by DNA evidence, the fault lies not on the prosecutor because he merely relied on what the witness told him.
When the president of the United States relies and acts upon what the CIA and military intelligence tells him the fault lies not on the president but on ineptness of the CIA and military intelligence because the president acts only upon information fed him.
Hmmm. You are correct on that point.

Didn't President Clinton also agree with the intel, as did MI6, French intel, and Mossad?

Didn't even Kerry say so, while it was "fashionable"? And many of those now "fashionable" anti-war people?

Say 10 years from now Iraq is a functioning democracy, like Turkey, and pumping out all that oil, will it be then "fashionable" to praise the decision?

Hindsight is always the strength of the liberal. Without it, he/she cannot adequately function.
Alan

Honolulu, HI

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May 29, 2008
 
dargent7 wrote:
Wilson: ad to that Scott McClellan's book, exposing what most Americans knew about this cabal of corruption called the "Bush Administration".
They impeached Clinton over a lie, but Bush "walks" lying creating a war.
"Stay the Course" will kill many more innocents based on lies, and Memorial Day will need to run two days to accomodate all the dead.
That should tell you something. I know its popular to beat up on Bush and even more popular for irresponsible politicians who know better to say he lied to take us to war. Dont you think if that were true they would have impeached him and even threw him in jail. One of the many things I like about Obama is he doesnt take advantage of the simpletons who dont know any better by saying Bush lied. He knows like anyone else who has a brain in there head if he did the American people would have him in jail.
Carol

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May 29, 2008
 
Disgusted wrote:
Comments by dargent7, willie and Carol indicate more and more people are appreciating our situation. If Bush is impeached, we get stuck with Cheney who should be in prison. If Cheny is investigated, tried and sent to prison, we get stuck with Pelossi, who should be home baking cookies for her grandchildren. If she goes, we get stuck with Harry Reid. Let's not even think of Condaleeza Rice. The saddest part is that we have to choose between McCain, Obama and Clinton. That's no choice. Whoever wins, the country loses. Both political parties should be ashamed of themselves.
C'mon Pulog! You don't think that Cheney and his cronies (Rumsfeld, Wolfowitz and Rice) leaned on Tenant and the CIA to come with their intel estimate? It would be interesting to see what an impartial investigation of Cheney will reveal. How much is Halliburton putting into his "blind" trust?
oooooooooh my gawd........ Disgusted.... now I feel even SICKER..... Pelosi is a fruitcake....I was going to ask if the 3 of them (Bush, Cheney and Pelosi all belong to the same AA group, but that would insult the AA members)... and then there is that other Bush Mouthpiece Condalesa (sp?) Rice.....
Alan

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Pat wrote:
Impeach Bush and Cheney now!They are war criminals.
I think its funny how all of these people have conveniently forgot the climate when we went to war. Now havin the advantage of hindsight it was not a good iea.
The entire world including the countries who were not for us going to war all were in agreement Sadaam had weapons mass destructon.Now in hindsight we find out maybe he didnt now all you simpletons and a few deplorable politicians promote this fantasy o Bush lied guarenteed if there was at even a little truth to this allegation he would be impeached and sentenced. Do a little thinking on your own rather than listen to eople tking advantage of the fact your not thinking for yourself
Carol

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Pat from Kailua....... YES, YES, YES, they ARE war criminals..... I can't tell you how often my mother says the same thing (this, from a woman who survived the Communists in Hungary and the Nazis in East Germany). She is so disgusted with the whole lot of the Bushy Boys and Girls, that she is ready, at her age, to give up her citizenship and go back to the Old Country where at least the Enemy is who they say they are......
Boomer

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If I recall, Congress backed the president for a call to action against Iraq. If Congress was a party to this criminal act then shouldn't the entire US Congress as well as Bush and Cheney be charged with war crimes?

Maybe that's why there is no call from our liberal Congress to impeach our president and vice president or worse yet, try them as war criminals.

And why is Cheney such a crook? So he held stock in Haliburton. Wasn't it Vice President Johnson (LBJ) that held stock in Bell Helicopters during the Vietnam war? Who advanced that war?

By the way Bell Helicopters are owned by Textron, the same international company that is owned by Haliburton.

If Republicans are such bad people then why are there more arrest records on local democrats in our state legislature?
dargent7

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Big Al: How blind and pathetic...All countries of the world thought Saddam had WMD's?
Then why did 90% of Europe boycott the invasion?
Hans Blix and the inspectors were getting played with by Saddam,... in then out... but economic sanctions, could squeeze the dictator. Bombing the hell out of a country, killing his entire family, and hanging him in less than 2 years is hardly proud US justice. Human miscreants here in the USA on "Death Row" stay there for 15 years at $30,000 a year w/ full medical and 3 meals a day.
McCain will contine this BS, full throttel.
Paloloholoholo

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Kailuaresident wrote:
Yes, people need to stop blaimg the Mayor for making the route go to Salt Lake instead of the airport. ROmy held the entire project hosatge to get it to Salt Lake. Funny thing is, now the residnets aren't wso sure they want it. Makes much more sense to have it go straight to the airport via pearl harbor and provide circulator buses from SAlt Lake to the station!
Residents aren't so sure?
Well if I lived by the steel rail route, and the council had approved the noisiest rail technology, I would not want it near my home.
Romy was the swing vote to approve a transit guideway near his residents.
Without his vote, the transit guideway would not be approved to advance.
A rail route to the airport was needed in the first 20 mile build, but it failed.
The mayor can't blame Romy. Romys vote approved a rail route and MOS.Without his vote, no transit guideway route would have been approved.
The mayor could have vetoed a salt lake route with no airport stop, but he did not.
The blame rests on Mufi and poor planning by his massive staff and high paid PR spin monkeys by not adding the airport in the first 20 mile steel rail build.
Council never ever approved steel rail for the guideway, Mufi has forced steel rail without an approved council vote of ALL 9 members.
If you place blame, its on mufi all the way!

Btw- Please show the topix Honolulu readers any recent local poll that shows a majority of Oahu residents that want a new 20 mile,$3.7 billion train built.(with no airport stop in the first 20 mile build????)
I bet you can't find one because a majority of locals in every recent poll shown has had NO majority support for a steel rail and traintracks.
I hope you can get the facts first before you spew pro-steelrail propaganda.
Alan

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dargent7 wrote:
Big Al: How blind and pathetic...All countries of the world thought Saddam had WMD's?
Then why did 90% of Europe boycott the invasion?
Hans Blix and the inspectors were getting played with by Saddam,... in then out... but economic sanctions, could squeeze the dictator. Bombing the hell out of a country, killing his entire family, and hanging him in less than 2 years is hardly proud US justice. Human miscreants here in the USA on "Death Row" stay there for 15 years at $30,000 a year w/ full medical and 3 meals a day.
McCain will contine this BS, full throttel.
Whereare you comming upwith your fantay The UN posted sanctions that were largely ignored by Sadaam
an Russia Germany and France all boycotted ecause they were ilegally doing business with Iraq undermining the UN sanctions I am not saying it was right to go to war because with the advantage of hidsight I dont think it was. I am erely pointing out President Bush did not Lie in any way to bring us to war. He was going off of intellegence a majority of the entire world believed yes icluding Russia Frnce & Germany
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Carol wrote:
Pat from Kailua....... YES, YES, YES, they ARE war criminals..... I can't tell you how often my mother says the same thing (this, from a woman who survived the Communists in Hungary and the Nazis in East Germany). She is so disgusted with the whole lot of the Bushy Boys and Girls, that she is ready, at her age, to give up her citizenship and go back to the Old Country where at least the Enemy is who they say they are......
Then why have they not been charged with a crime you really have to stop listening to our incredibly shameful bias media and form an original thought for yourself. I will bet my bottom dollar you are one of those people who are crying why we dont do something about darfur. Of course if we do and if things go bad you and your mom will conveniently forget the climate and say these guys are criminals sound right hmmmm point made nuff said
Carol

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May 29, 2008
 
Alan wrote:
<quoted text> Then why have they not been charged with a crime you really have to stop listening to our incredibly shameful bias media and form an original thought for yourself. I will bet my bottom dollar you are one of those people who are crying why we dont do something about darfur. Of course if we do and if things go bad you and your mom will conveniently forget the climate and say these guys are criminals sound right hmmmm point made nuff said
Alan, Those folks who have experienced war first hand and have seen what despots are capable of, perhaps should be listened to. Soon that generation will be gone and the white-washing of history that goes on will leave future generations without the lessons of the past.
Alan

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Carol wrote:
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Alan, Those folks who have experienced war first hand and have seen what despots are capable of, perhaps should be listened to. Soon that generation will be gone and the white-washing of history that goes on will leave future generations without the lessons of the past.
My point being is Bush Nor Cheney or for that matter the US congress are not and never will be war criminals I am sure your mom has went through a lot but to compare the two is just wrong. I never thought we should go to war because in that part of the world war is a way of life they will litterally go until the last man is standing. I do however remember the climate and the majority of Americans congress and the Bush admin wanted and went to war. Now that it did not go as planned to blame bush & cheney is just wrong
PatD

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May 29, 2008
 
love waianae wrote:
That's what Waianae needs, another access road so we can become as congested and screwed-up as the rest of the island. Isn't it enough that we're already the recepients of every social pogrom for the sick, lame and lazy? From homeless tents, to shelters for druggies and their morning feel-good hootenannys on the beach, to housing "projects" (filled with black and micronesian baby-factories along with the live-in boyfriends) to panhandlers everywhere, to New Orleans ghetto castaways that are shipped here to live on our backs. Use all that concrete to pave over a park in YOUR neighborhood and leave us be. We'll look likw a Chicago ghetto soon enough, the liberals are taking care of that.
You make good point, but not for the good, all the social issues are the bane of Waianae. Do not embrace the social issues, they will bring you down. I guess Oahu needs a Slum! Everyone knows its the the sewer of the island. No one wants to live there, they have to! Where to live? Kahala or Waianae, dah. Just keep them down, what good are they, any way. What do you expect if you do not want to unplug the drain.
Most of this area are good honest people stuck in a situation unable to make any change. The criminal element takes advantage of the weak but they are not the weak at heart. Opening up the area will open up opportunities so the good people will have a chance to fix the ills themselves.
I grew up in Makaha in the 70's it was quiet and friendly. There was, the old train tracks, a road around the point at that time and we often used it to travel around the island. The road fell into the sea, and the area on that side of the island has fallen also.(Kaena point is not the issue, it would cause less inpact then the stolen cars being dumped there now, you can count the people who care or even been there in the last year on one hand.)
What would it do for that side of the island. Increase traffic, Yes; Income, Yes; Business, Yes; Provide jobs, Yes. What is the bad? reduce welfare, homeless, crime, etc. The people on Oahu are afraid to travel on that side of the island, tourist watch films on airplanes warning them not to go there. What is wrong with fixing a problem that is partly caused by a physical issue.
What is more important then the island working together to make all equal. The area has been short changed so long, they have accepted their fate as the norm.
love waianae

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#38
May 30, 2008
 
The low-income housing is being forced upon Waianae, the state moves all the feel-good services out here and then busses the bums out here to get their "free" stuff and live in Lingle's 5-million dollar circus tent or the welfare housing units, right next to our schools. Our kids get to see all the ghetto behavior first-hand, up close, every day. No one here is fooled by the "But it's your people" BS, we know exactly what is going on. First, destroy and degrade the area, let crime run rampant until property values plunge. Then let connected developers and political hacks "save" the area. It's called "gentrification" and Lingle's people are experts at it.
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May 30, 2008
 
dargent7 wrote:
Big Al: How blind and pathetic...All countries of the world thought Saddam had WMD's?
Then why did 90% of Europe boycott the invasion?
Hans Blix and the inspectors were getting played with by Saddam,... in then out... but economic sanctions, could squeeze the dictator. Bombing the hell out of a country, killing his entire family, and hanging him in less than 2 years is hardly proud US justice. Human miscreants here in the USA on "Death Row" stay there for 15 years at $30,000 a year w/ full medical and 3 meals a day.
McCain will contine this BS, full throttel.
"but economic sanctions"

please stop, my side hurts from laughing so hard...ever hear of food for oil? More people got rich off that than won the lotto...Stick your head in the sand, if you can't see what is going on it is not going on.

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