Maui Democrat says online sting creates sex crime - News

WAILUKU>> State Rep. Joe Bertram has argued a friend caught in an Internet predator sting should not be sent to prison for an "imaginary crime." Bertram spoke yesterday in support of Mark Marcantonio, 52, of Maui, who had pleaded no contest to second-degree electronic enticement of a child. Full Story
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daniwitz13

Kaneohe, HI

#138 Apr 10, 2009
Responding to DUH and others. I have contacted a computer expert and ask him if it was possible to say with 100% who's fingers were on the computer keys on the other end of the line or airwaves? He replied it was impossible. The IP will probably locate the computer but not who was on it. One could buy the computer and give it to their son or whatever. As an example, can you tell who's fingers are typing out these words right now? Impossible. If it is impossible to prove, how can any law be made when no proof is possible. That is why the police will always try to get his description. No description, no meeting. If one gave them the wrong description, It's possible to stand right next to the officer and not be known.
Chad Dapp

Kailua Kona, HI

#139 Apr 11, 2009
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Shad DAP already.
Chad Dapp

Kailua Kona, HI

#140 Apr 11, 2009
Stumpy wrote:
I was "approached" online by a thirteen year old girl, who said I had contacted her. I told her I hadn't and that I was a lot older than thirteen. She insisted on repeatedly messaging me and asking personal stuff, and I repeatedly told her to stop it or ignored it completely. Then one day a man contacted me and said he was her father and boy I was in trouble, blah, blah. I told him to P*ss Off or call the cops. I never heard anything about it again and wonder if it was a set-up for blackmail, a sting, or whatever.
If you jus said you were stumpy she would of lost interest
Chad Dapp

Kailua Kona, HI

#141 Apr 11, 2009
Als Bar and Grill wrote:
What if it was your daughter, Joe???????? Brilliant answer by a typical politician!!!!!!!! Who is this oaf????????
Joe don't have a daughter, butt he did have a pardner.
Chad Dapp

Kailua Kona, HI

#142 Apr 11, 2009
Duh wrote:
OK.
1. How is the perp "uncovered?" You make it sound so easy....It is even MORE obvious that YOU do not understand basic internet and law enforcemewnt concepts. When you contact Yahoo or other servers, they are required to let the subject of said subpeona to know of that fact!!! Thus WARNING them!!! AND the information provided by Yahoo, etc. is only the I.P. address. A group of numbers. It does NOT give the identity of the perp behind the computer doing the actual chatting. The I.P. address is to a location, a house that is filled with people. Usually the family members of law-abiding, church-goers. WHO was doing the chatting??? Thus it IS very easy to be anonymous.
2. The ONLY reason that law enforcement waits so long is for the aforementioned reason....It takes old fashion leg work to uncover who this perv is...it's not all sitting behind a coputer and making "phone calls." They need to be sure that it's not an 8-year-old they are chatting with. It may take many, many months or years.
3. You called the pervs imbeciles as a way to belittle law enforcement. When in fact these pervs are very smart. They get caught because (and I know you hate this) law enforcement is SMARTER.
4.They plead guily...because they ARE. By now, even YOU should know that I DO have 1st hand knowledge of these investigations. It is YOU who is foolish to think that I don't. At least 3 individuals HAVE gone to trial and have been CONVICTED!!! Not because of some dumb T.V. show. But because of GOOD evidence!!!
5.What data??? The best info you can get is an I.P. address. See above.
6. Again...I.D. of the perv....PLUS law enforcement gives the perv MANY chances to back out. MANY chances....THAT'S ALSO WHY IT TAKES SO LONG....The perv cannot help his desires and in effect, hangs himself. The length of the chats indicated the pervs strong desire. He never gives up. Duh.......
7. Like I said YOU have NO statistics. Period!!! How do YOU know that no hard core pedophiles have already been caught??? At least 6 of them in Hawaii were diagnosed by Doctors to by bonafide pedophiles. One scared the Doctor so much that she recomended to the court that he get the maximum sentence. He tortured small animals as a child, frequented Thai and Philipine brothels for juveniles, and showed up to the meet with a 14-year-old with a machete in his back seat!!!
You really can't expect people to buy your over-broad and hyper-realistic lies do you??? The lack of knowledge of the facts overshadows any illogic you spew forth and therefore disqualify your rants. God luck at trying to convince the people with your matter-of fact b.s.
alice? i have new found respec fo yu.
Manapua Man

AOL

#143 Apr 11, 2009
B & B. Bertram & Bush. Same stock. Kukae for brains!!!!!!!!
The Truth

Honolulu, HI

#144 Apr 12, 2009
Our Government is the potent, the omnipresent teacher. For good or for ill, it teaches the whole people by its example. Crime is contagious. If the Government becomes a lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law; it invites every man to become a law unto himself; it invites anarchy. To declare that, in the administration of the criminal law, the end justifies the means -- to declare that the Government may commit crimes in order to secure the conviction of a private criminal -- would bring terrible retribution." Olmstead v. United States, 277 U.S. 438, 485 (1928).
hoku21

Kahului, HI

#145 Apr 12, 2009
I agree with many of Bertram's points (most of which aren't included in this article, but in others published in the Maui News)

1. Mandatory 10 year sentences for child enticement convictions won't solve this tragic problem. Sex offenders aren't rehabilitated in prison, and they aren't deterred by threats of prison. They are sick; most perpetrators were victims themselves. Preventing child sex abuse starts with funding support programs for young victims.

2. Sting operations are problematic. They create the environment of the crime, rather than responding to an actual incident. It's the opposite of assuming innocence until proven guilty. Instead, it's tempting someone into committing a crime. And, although Bertram's choice of words, "imaginary" was perhaps offensive--it's true that the crime didn't actually happen.

3. I think Bertram is noble for standing up for what he believes, especially in this environment of fear. If we as a community really want to prevent child sex abuse, we need to redirect our energy from punishing and imprisoning (which doesn't work) to supporting victims so that they don't grow up into perpetrators.

4. Most sex abuse is acted out by family or friends, not internet strangers. Solving this epidemic starts at home. Witch hunts that allow us to demonize a handful of abusers while ignoring those next door won't protect us or our children.
Chad Dapp

Kailua Kona, HI

#146 Apr 13, 2009
hoku21 wrote:
I agree with many of Bertram's points (most of which aren't included in this article, but in others published in the Maui News)
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blowing (pakalolo) smoke? da guy is guilty--he went to MEET the young 'un.
Maybe Maui shoud legalize civil unions with 8 yer olds like Saudi arabia?
The Truth

Honolulu, HI

#147 Apr 14, 2009
Wow you really have a problem with intelligent thought, don't you?

We don't expect you to comprehend this discussion, please move along now.

There's a Heineken bottle with your name on it somewhere, calling you.
Big bo to

Honolulu, HI

#149 Apr 16, 2009
alice wrote:
I have no idea why men are still doing this.
You have no idea period. But if you were a real person then you would have some idea.
Chad Dapp

Kailua Kona, HI

#150 Apr 17, 2009
The Truth wrote:
Wow you really have a problem with intelligent thought, don't you?
We don't expect you to comprehend this discussion, please move along now.
There's a Heineken bottle with your name on it somewhere, calling you.
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now SHADAP!
justice

Sunnyvale, CA

#151 Sep 25, 2010
The Truth wrote:
Wow you really have a problem with intelligent thought, don't you?
We don't expect you to comprehend this discussion, please move along now.
There's a Heineken bottle with your name on it somewhere, calling you.
Good for you, he is a jerk and not very smart either. what is being said by the others is true, and the law needs to be change and spend own money in a legal and just way. Victmless crimes will come back and bit them in butt, Watch . the government is so corrupt, and the police are abusing they power.And how they do it by putting the fear into people, and then they can do what ever they want with the law.
think About it sir.
justice

Sunnyvale, CA

#152 Sep 25, 2010
daniwitz13 wrote:
Responding to DUH and others. I have contacted a computer expert and ask him if it was possible to say with 100% who's fingers were on the computer keys on the other end of the line or airwaves? He replied it was impossible. The IP will probably locate the computer but not who was on it. One could buy the computer and give it to their son or whatever. As an example, can you tell who's fingers are typing out these words right now? Impossible. If it is impossible to prove, how can any law be made when no proof is possible. That is why the police will always try to get his description. No description, no meeting. If one gave them the wrong description, It's possible to stand right next to the officer and not be known.

You are so right . Keep it up ,the true will set you Free.

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