1,000-home Hawaii subdivision planned

A California partnership is moving ahead with plans to develop a nearly 1,000-home subdivision in south-central Maui despite opposition from the County Department of Planning and some nearby residents. Full Story

Since: Sep 07

Kihei, HI

#25 Dec 19, 2007
The Bonedaddy-maui wrote:
Good luck. They can't sell the homes they are building right down the road at Maui Lani.
They could sell them, they just aren't willing to lower the prices so people like me can afford them. Now that the liar loans and "creative financing" that fueled the massive run up in prices here have dried up, builders and sellers can't seem to adjust.
Kauai Pride

Oceanside, CA

#26 Dec 19, 2007

Fontana, CA

#29 Dec 19, 2007
It's not the developers who are to blame. All real property owners have the right to exercise their property rights. We the people are to blame. We vote (or worse, don't exercise our right to vote,) in the same "one party power structurists" every election. Our Hawaii public officials have been allowing IRRESPONSIBLE DEVELOPMENT for decades. Time to hold them responsible. No matter how much the campaign $donation$ was, it is time for our public leaders to demand developers first: improve our local schools, improve our infrastructure, submit EIS that are current, and perserve parks and beach access, all prior to permitting. We the people spend time arguing and complaining, and not enough time voting and campaigning for the RIGHTeous people to do RIGHT for Hawaii!....'Tamaiti'
Kauai Pride

Oceanside, CA

#30 Dec 19, 2007
Lehua wrote:
SOOOO.... Lingle say that HI is not a amusement park BUUUUUT, continued destruction of the environment for society is a good thing?!!!
Let me ask you a question...is your home contributing to the enviroment or taking away from the enviroment.
Kauai Pride

Oceanside, CA

#31 Dec 19, 2007
Mee wrote:
Maui needs Free-Ways like we have on Oahu. The Developer needs to go to Big Island Hawaii and build all he wants. Population will always increase w/new genaration of babys.Make Free-Ways and Road-ways, sewer,lights then houses.
you are right but we are having a hard time getting a ferry system going-imagine the headache to try and get some interstates on the other islands. i think if we are going to ever go as far as putting interstates on other islands-we should build a bridge linking all the islands to each other (except Ni'ihau of course)
Mo da betta

Honolulu, HI

#32 Dec 19, 2007
I'd like to see even more housing developers from the mainland come to Hawaii and do big projects like the one on Maui. It's the county and state government to make sure that the proper infrastructure like sewer, water, and roadways are in place. In general, with a good mix of affordable, mid-range, and luxury homes insures a well planned development. Only affordable is not good because what you get is a cheap house and everything around it is done in a short cut manner. What happens is that we only focus on the demand for affordable housing and end up getting nothing. Then we get a shortage of housing and fre*ken termite palaces, plantation homes, and pre WWII homes end up selling for a gold mine. Rent skyrockets and all our hard earned money goes down the drain. So as normal ... we live in sh*tty homes that would otherwise be a luxury home priced on the mainland.

Wake up Hawaii! If we had a housing industry like that on the mainland ... we would now have an over supply and the cost of housing would be tanking like that on the mainland. We missed the boat because of our protectionist attitudes and we end up making ourselves suffer.

Since: Nov 07

Makawao, HI

#33 Dec 19, 2007
kaimana wrote:
<quoted text>I am anti-ferry and have put my money where my mouth is. I work through the court system, journalism, and through peaceful protest. You can bet on my being involved in this matter. Enough is enough!
Enough what is enough? Surely you don't think that Maui has enough housing? Maui needs housing. The demand is too great for the supply and that is why the prices are so high. If you don't let more homes be built, the prices will choke all your children and their parents to death. The only people left on Maui will certainly be mainland transplants.

Kailua, HI

#34 Dec 19, 2007
Mach5Motorsport wrote:
<quoted text>
Nope. There's no whales at risk.
Look at the big picture dummy more people more cars more traffic and you still worry about the whales, your island is going to be like Oahu soon. Enjoy!!!!!!!


Since: Sep 07

Davis, CA now King City, CA

#35 Dec 19, 2007
Kauai Pride wrote:
Ok Mr. Robinson.


Honolulu, HI

#36 Dec 19, 2007
Project Director Kyle Kikuchi said that it's "ridiculous" to suggest that the developer should wait until the County amends their General Plan before proceeding with the Maalaea Mauka project. Wow, spoken like a true Maui-Gold digger.

Obviously, Mr. Kikuchi is not from Hawaii, much less Maui. For if he was, he would never (and I'm using the word "NEVER") assist any developer in building 1,000 homes in that area of Maalaea. For if he was one of us Maui residents who have to sit in that crap everyday, I'm sure he'd understand why the County wants to "review" the zoning designation that was made for that area some 15 years ago when traffic there wasn't anywhere near ridiculous as it is now.

No - no more "affordable" (who's he kidding!) homes for Maui until Developers and Government officials finally get serious about increasing Maui's inventory of roads so that we can get from Wailuku to Lahaina without having to shut down the highway every time a tourist stops to watch the whales off the pali and some inattentive driver slams into the back of their rented jeep!
Gimme a break

Honolulu, HI

#37 Dec 19, 2007
dudealohajoe wrote:
Oh, no, I was thinking about West Loch Estates by Castle and Crook. My bad.
Hey .... West Loch Estates was a City and County of Honolulu project under Mayor Frank Fasi. Albert Kobayashi was the developer.

Everybody else after West Loch Fairways was "supposed to be afforable".
common thread

Honolulu, HI

#38 Dec 19, 2007
This seems to be a common thread in all counties of this state. Regardless of the lack of infrastructure to support the developement permits are still granted. Just last week an article stated that no more highway projects are planned on the Leeward side until 2020 I think it said...How many more housing projects will go up by then when the roads can't handle what they have now.
It sure looks like it a "money" thing, in as long as you come up with fees, you'll get your permit and to hell with the residents ot their needs.
So, when does the insanity stop..when there's no more land left, when you have to dig up or threw a mountain, whats it going to take?

United States

#39 Dec 19, 2007
Big Island Hawaii is as big big as Texas. Developers needs to build there now. And Kauai Pride your right if we could connect all islands
together that would be wonderful. Population growth is here.

Since: Oct 07


#40 Dec 19, 2007
Learden wrote:
<quoted text>
Enough what is enough? Surely you don't think that Maui has enough housing? Maui needs housing. The demand is too great for the supply and that is why the prices are so high. If you don't let more homes be built, the prices will choke all your children and their parents to death. The only people left on Maui will certainly be mainland transplants.
Maui needs more housing, but not necessarily single family housing. On an island with finite resources and infrastructure, first, the developers have to be able to PROVE that there will be enough water (doubt they can, not in that part of the island) first of all. Second, with the housing market crashing all over the country, I doubt they're going to find many takers of their "market rate" housing anyway. Third, it's so damned windy in that part of the island, they're going to have issues with dust (all those people who already live in Ma'alaea are going to just love the construction.

They should be keeping that land agricultural, even if it means letting it lie fallow for now. There are all kinds of pesticides and insecticides that were dumped onto that soil over the years (maybe even some DDT). I doubt the developers would try to do any kind of remediation of the earth before they built on it. Yuck. That's one of the main reasons why I wouldn't want to buy anything near Maui Lani either (built on an old 'opala dump we used to call Apana Junkyard).

More multifamily units closer to where the work is is what's required, like the condos that A&B is building down by Kahului Harbor. Convenient to everything. If people want to live on Maui in the future, they'd better stop thinking "single family house with a white picket fence" and more we'll live whereever we can find the best housing for the best price.

Kailua Kona, HI

#41 Dec 19, 2007
Well said...and thanks for brining up the water issue.

Water and sewer are already going to be going up very much soon because of planned repair/replacement projects. Current residents should be concerned about more water customers and the increase of fees due to less supply.

I'm not saying do or don't with this development, I'm just pointing this out.

Kailua Kona, HI

#42 Dec 19, 2007
I meant to type 'bringing'. I AM diagnosed with O.C.D.


Since: Sep 07

Davis, CA now King City, CA

#43 Dec 19, 2007
Mee wrote:
Big Island Hawaii is as big big as Texas. Developers needs to build there now.
Common, not that big. Deleware, actually.

Kaneohe, HI

#44 Dec 19, 2007
Humble Hawaiian wrote:
<quoted text>
I second this!
Companies like this are the reason so many people are homeless. They call it "affordable", yeah right! Affordable to who, not the average family where both parents work fulltime just to barely keep their heads above water that's for sure. The foreclosure rate keeps increasing, just watch over the next 3 years how many more families will be homeless or moving out of state. Auwe
I agree that! I'm sick of local people being priced out of our own home. This is the root of all our social problems here in Hawaii!

Kaneohe, HI

#46 Dec 19, 2007
Nane W Aluli wrote:
I think it is absolutely unconscionable that 1000 or any homes be built in the Maalaea area until more inferstructure, roads, water systems, sewer systems be put in place. The rate of development on Maui is putting a giant cart in front of a very tiny horse. There MUST be more thoughtful planning before more building takes place.
This is absolutly right. I live on Oahu and our traffic to the west side of the island, the side where they built thousands of "affordable housing" in a matter of 7 years (bullshit) is horrible! those development companies should have been forced to lay the infrastructure before they were allowed to sell those homes. It's too late for us, but not too late for Maui

Kaneohe, HI

#47 Dec 19, 2007
dudealohajoe wrote:
U know it's inevitable, Maui is gonna be a playground owned by the filthy rich, sooner or later, after all the kamaainaz sell out their houses for millions of clams.
Maui already is a playground for the rich outsiders. Just look at the faces of your neighbors...all haole, and not the local portugese kind.

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