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Maui siblings charged in police beating - News

There are 169 comments on the Honolulu Star-Bulletin story from Apr 10, 2009, titled Maui siblings charged in police beating - News. In it, Honolulu Star-Bulletin reports that:

WAILUKU>> An off-duty Maui police officer says he was the target of a racial epithet before he was beaten by three teenagers and their fathers.

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kapena808

Kailua, HI

#130 Apr 11, 2009
david wrote:
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the vast majority of samoans are a product of incest and that is a fact. when your sister is also your mother, as is very likely the case with this family, it makes it more likely for the mother to have intercourse with her own sons, as this family has been doing for years.
samoan women are too beyond ugly after 12 years old so the men can only bring themselves to boink someone they grew up seeing and have become accustomed to seeing in daylight; there own mothers and sisters.
that's the only reason i can think of for their 90%+ incest rate. or maybe this samoan mom is just a **** ugly savage who is also son sucker?
You're such a jolly fellow. Here is something for you to ponder so that you do not wallow in misery:

Consumed with anger,
The world is an ugly place.
Bathed in happiness,
The world is a wonderful place.
But, it is the same world.

What kind of world will you make?
leeward lolo

Elgin, IL

#131 Apr 11, 2009
david wrote:
<quoted text>
the vast majority of samoans are a product of incest and that is a fact. when your sister is also your mother, as is very likely the case with this family, it makes it more likely for the mother to have intercourse with her own sons, as this family has been doing for years.
samoan women are too beyond ugly after 12 years old so the men can only bring themselves to boink someone they grew up seeing and have become accustomed to seeing in daylight; there own mothers and sisters.
that's the only reason i can think of for their 90%+ incest rate. or maybe this samoan mom is just a **** ugly savage who is also son sucker?
You are a nasty person. The only reason i can think of is that you are having a difficult time in Orange County.

This was not a Samoan family. Sauceda???

Since: Sep 08

Honolulu

#132 Apr 11, 2009
alice wrote:
<quoted text>True..I think statements about entire classes of people are not helpful. Judge the individual.
alice wrote:
Well mo kes always make sure they pick on a middle aged man when it is 6 to one and the man is unarmed. Mo kes are profoundly cowardly.
Contradicting yourself and answering yourself?
Moke Kimo

Honolulu, HI

#133 Apr 11, 2009
alice wrote:
Well mo kes always make sure they pick on a middle aged man when it is 6 to one and the man is unarmed. Mo kes are profoundly cowardly.
Not all, thank you...
HawaiianI

Granite Bay, CA

#134 Apr 13, 2009
Alrighty then wrote:
As a Hispanic, I hope that Sauceda family wasn't Hispanic. If they are, then they are officially disowned by our race as of right now.
But they probably got the name a couple hundred years ago by some unknown reason.
In Hawaii, Saucedo(a) is usually a Puerto Rican name. When I was a young girl living in Red Hill Housing, one of our neighbors were the Saucedos. They were a model family--good people with high morals and respectful of others. Don't judge the whole race by a bunch of low-lifes!
Tutu E

Westminster, CA

#135 Apr 13, 2009
chris wrote:
I couldn't help but question the judgement of an off-duty cop fist fighting with his neighbor's teenage children.
Granted, two wrongs don't make a right, and the kids fathers are clearly scum bags, but are their others who agree with me that the cop could have handled this better?
What&#699;s the difference if he was off duty? If you read the article correctly I believe when he came out to inquiry &#699;WHY&#699; the brat was banging on the &#699;mailbox&#699; the kid should have knocked it off there and then instead of using &#699;expletive&#699; words. The story in itself tells what kind of upbringing these kids have at home and they were &#699;highly&#699; resentful of detective. Rarely does a &#699;detective&#699; wear uniform or badge. The law should &#699;nail&#699; the whole family and throw their &#699;***&#699; in jail for ruining Maui&#699;s No Ka Oi image.
BribeAWitness

Mililani, HI

#136 Apr 14, 2009
chris wrote:
I couldn't help but question the judgement of an off-duty cop fist fighting with his neighbor's teenage children.
Granted, two wrongs don't make a right, and the kids fathers are clearly scum bags, but are their others who agree with me that the cop could have handled this better?

He might have attempted to hit them with his bats but the kids were able to wrestle it from here. We'll never know because most of these cops can create false stories (or fake police reports) better than a fiction writer!
rudeman

Kahului, HI

#137 Apr 14, 2009
BribeAWitness wrote:
chris wrote:
I couldn't help but question the judgement of an off-duty cop fist fighting with his neighbor's teenage children.
Granted, two wrongs don't make a right, and the kids fathers are clearly scum bags, but are their others who agree with me that the cop could have handled this better?
He might have attempted to hit them with his bats but the kids were able to wrestle it from here. We'll never know because most of these cops can create false stories (or fake police reports) better than a fiction writer!
You inbred supporter. These family, they weeds smoking punks. I get friends in the area and they punks. The cop he good. Slap yo head!
Lahaina Whale

Kahuku, HI

#138 Apr 14, 2009
white people should start carrying guns to defend themselves whenever confronted by local racists in Hawaii...
Hawaii is America...don't come at me with a baseball bat & call me a haole or I will blow your head off
no_need

Fort Huachuca, AZ

#139 Apr 14, 2009
Lahaina Whale wrote:
white people should start carrying guns to defend themselves whenever confronted by local racists in Hawaii...
Hawaii is America...don't come at me with a baseball bat & call me a haole or I will blow your head off
and what makes you think you're not being racist with this statement? it's haoles like you that make it hard for other haoles.

pua-ting

Mililani, HI

#140 Apr 14, 2009
Lahaina Whale wrote:
white people should start carrying guns to defend themselves whenever confronted by local racists in Hawaii...
Hawaii is America...don't come at me with a baseball bat & call me a haole or I will blow your head off
go easy there,
you will go straight to OCCC,
and now with NO gun, you will end up as a locals GIRLFRIEND
hahahaha, and thats the TRUTH...ALOHA

Since: Oct 08

Mililani via California

#141 Apr 14, 2009
BribeAWitness wrote:
chris wrote:
I couldn't help but question the judgement of an off-duty cop fist fighting with his neighbor's teenage children.
Granted, two wrongs don't make a right, and the kids fathers are clearly scum bags, but are their others who agree with me that the cop could have handled this better?
He might have attempted to hit them with his bats but the kids were able to wrestle it from here. We'll never know because most of these cops can create false stories (or fake police reports) better than a fiction writer!
The police officer told the juvenile to stop destroying his property. The juvenile came back at the police officer defiantly and was the primary aggressor in this incident. The police officer was not off-duty when he told the juvenile he was under arrest. It sounds to me like this incident went from bad to worse pretty fast. I am giving you some credit for intelligence here- and you know where you can put those false police reports... Man I get tired of stupid comments like that.
Translator

Keauhou, HI

#142 Apr 14, 2009
BribeAWitness wrote:
chris wrote:
I couldn't help but question the judgement of an off-duty cop fist fighting with his neighbor's teenage children.
Granted, two wrongs don't make a right, and the kids fathers are clearly scum bags, but are their others who agree with me that the cop could have handled this better?
He might have attempted to hit them with his bats but the kids were able to wrestle it from here. We'll never know because most of these cops can create false stories (or fake police reports) better than a fiction writer!
Huh? I don't think any cop deserving of his badge would shy away from trying to stop teenagers from committing some petty crime like busting up mail boxes, off-duty or not.

Since: Oct 08

Mililani via California

#143 Apr 14, 2009
Translator wrote:
<quoted text>Huh? I don't think any cop deserving of his badge would shy away from trying to stop teenagers from committing some petty crime like busting up mail boxes, off-duty or not.
Well said.
rudeman

Kahului, HI

#144 Apr 17, 2009
This is from the Maui News

What makes police Detective Jamie Becraft so much more important then any other Maui citizen (The Maui News, April 9)? Off duty is off duty.

As an assault victim myself, I am told by the prosecutors and police it takes up to two years to get to court. Well, the case is coming up on two years, and from the last phone call to the prosecutors, Maui police can't find the adult assaulter, who happens to be spending nights in the Maui Community Correctional Center.

I was assaulted by four people in my front yard. Why does this citizen - after all, that is what he is when not on duty - deserve to have his case heard before any other citizen of Maui?

Also, the news articles say he left his yard to approach the young man who was hitting the mailboxes. If this is truly the case then he took the law in his own hands. He also says he punched one of the boys twice! He should be just like all other people who attempt to defend themselves, charged with assault on the minor for punching him in the face.

Stephanie Findley

Wailuku

She off or what? Becraft is a cop 24/7. Any Joe Blow or there, try conceal carry. Guess what Stephanie, you go jail, not the cop. Go home.
rudeman

Kahului, HI

#145 Apr 17, 2009
Any critics, I like see you challenge a kid 5'7" 170 lbs and 5'6" 150 lbs.
BribeAWitness

Kailua Kona, HI

#146 Apr 17, 2009
Could be the other way around:

The 1999 "Police Officer of the Year" for Hawaii has sued the Kauai Police Department, claiming she was punished for reporting a claim by a drug dealer that a sergeant was selling protection against drug arrests.

Officer Darla Abbatiello's lawsuit, filed yesterday in U.S. District Court in Honolulu by attorney Margery Bronster, former state attorney general, names as defendants acting Chief KC Lum, retired acting Chief Willie Ihu, Assistant Chief Gordon Isoda of the Investigations Division, Lt. Dean Pigao, who formerly headed the vice squad, and Sgt. Irvil Kapua, who allegedly was paid the protection money.

Lum was off island, and the county spokeswoman did not return calls seeking comment.

The suit alleges violations of Abbatiello's civil rights and violations of the Whistleblower's Protection Act.

The lawsuit is the second to be filed against the police department by a veteran officer working narcotics cases. Last year, Sgt. Mark Begley sued the department claiming then-vice squad head Lt. Martin Curnan was involved in an assault on Begley after Begley complained of ties between vice squad members and organized crime figures on Kauai.

from http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/09/16/n...
rudeman wrote:
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You inbred supporter. These family, they weeds smoking punks. I get friends in the area and they punks. The cop he good. Slap yo head!
dave

United States

#147 Apr 17, 2009
BribeAWitness wrote:
Could be the other way around:
The 1999 "Police Officer of the Year" for Hawaii has sued the Kauai Police Department, claiming she was punished for reporting a claim by a drug dealer that a sergeant was selling protection against drug arrests.
Officer Darla Abbatiello's lawsuit, filed yesterday in U.S. District Court in Honolulu by attorney Margery Bronster, former state attorney general, names as defendants acting Chief KC Lum, retired acting Chief Willie Ihu, Assistant Chief Gordon Isoda of the Investigations Division, Lt. Dean Pigao, who formerly headed the vice squad, and Sgt. Irvil Kapua, who allegedly was paid the protection money.
Lum was off island, and the county spokeswoman did not return calls seeking comment.
The suit alleges violations of Abbatiello's civil rights and violations of the Whistleblower's Protection Act.
The lawsuit is the second to be filed against the police department by a veteran officer working narcotics cases. Last year, Sgt. Mark Begley sued the department claiming then-vice squad head Lt. Martin Curnan was involved in an assault on Begley after Begley complained of ties between vice squad members and organized crime figures on Kauai.
from http://archives.starbulletin.com/2004/09/16/n...
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So how is this revelant to the maui police officer's incident?

Since: Jan 08

Kahului, HI

#148 Apr 17, 2009
rudeman wrote:
This is from the Maui News
What makes police Detective Jamie Becraft so much more important then any other Maui citizen (The Maui News, April 9)? Off duty is off duty.
As an assault victim myself, I am told by the prosecutors and police it takes up to two years to get to court. Well, the case is coming up on two years, and from the last phone call to the prosecutors, Maui police can't find the adult assaulter, who happens to be spending nights in the Maui Community Correctional Center.
I was assaulted by four people in my front yard. Why does this citizen - after all, that is what he is when not on duty - deserve to have his case heard before any other citizen of Maui?
Also, the news articles say he left his yard to approach the young man who was hitting the mailboxes. If this is truly the case then he took the law in his own hands. He also says he punched one of the boys twice! He should be just like all other people who attempt to defend themselves, charged with assault on the minor for punching him in the face.
Stephanie Findley
Wailuku
She off or what? Becraft is a cop 24/7. Any Joe Blow or there, try conceal carry. Guess what Stephanie, you go jail, not the cop. Go home.
Obviously she didn't read the article. When you tell someone "You're under arrest", you're on-duty. Why did the hearing occur so soon? Probably because there is a vast difference between assault and attempted murder.

Obviously when three punks are trying to attack you, punching them in the face is justifiable, to include turning one into a Jack-O-Lantern. When someone is damaging your mailbox as well as your neighbors, it gives you reason to inquire. In this case, the mailboxes are on the makai side of the road, across the street from the homes.

Perhaps if Stephanie cooperated with the police and shared information, they could help her. Perhaps ascertaining the facts before performing the projectile vomiting would help too.

Since: Jan 08

Kahului, HI

#149 Apr 17, 2009
dave wrote:
<quoted text>So how is this revelant to the maui police officer's incident?
It's not.

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