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Fisherman

Lanai City, HI

#161 Oct 11, 2009
This is for D-Horn (as my old Vietnam Veteran friend would have called him)-
"I do feel sorry for Vietnam veterans though, and hope you didn't get sprayed with too much agent orange. Watch out for those commies hidin' in the bushes!"
Let me defend myself one more time, then I hope we can let this go.
This was taken out of context. I assumed that people would know what I meant, which was egocentric.
The first sentence is not a joke, it's the truth.
Often, I try to end a post with a joke. This was a poor attempt at humor, especially coming right after the previous sentence, should have been a new paragraph. Thom, as most radical Republicans, seems fearful that the US is heading toward Socialism and/or Communism (some think both can happen at the same time, which, I guess would be twice as bad). The "watch out for Commies in the bushes", was facetious, and about people (especially older people) having unfounded fears of Communism, not about Veterans (I suppose you have to be older that a certain age to remember the cold war.).
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#162 Oct 11, 2009
Fisherman wrote:
This is for D-Horn (as my old Vietnam Veteran friend would have called him)-
"I do feel sorry for Vietnam veterans though, and hope you didn't get sprayed with too much agent orange. Watch out for those commies hidin' in the bushes!"
Let me defend myself one more time, then I hope we can let this go.
This was taken out of context. I assumed that people would know what I meant, which was egocentric.
The first sentence is not a joke, it's the truth.
Often, I try to end a post with a joke. This was a poor attempt at humor, especially coming right after the previous sentence, should have been a new paragraph. Thom, as most radical Republicans, seems fearful that the US is heading toward Socialism and/or Communism (some think both can happen at the same time, which, I guess would be twice as bad). The "watch out for Commies in the bushes", was facetious, and about people (especially older people) having unfounded fears of Communism, not about Veterans (I suppose you have to be older that a certain age to remember the cold war.).
You don't need to defend or explain yourself. Some people are just so politically motivated they take anything said out of context for political gain.

This name changing idiot currently calling itself "truth speaks for itself" thinks it's a funny person saying the situation you described was a joke. Obviously it's display of phony outrage at the beginning was simply a ploy to get military members upset for no reason at all. And it obviously felt no remorse since it did indicate it could sleep well at night.

This reminds me of Bush. Killing your own boys is not a problem and quite an acceptable loss as long as it fits into the political agenda conservatives have. Just like that idiot in Florida who thought it was funny to shoot a silhouette with his democratic opponents initials on the target.

So don't apologize. It's actually owed to you.
Bob

Los Angeles, CA

#163 Oct 11, 2009
Fisherman wrote:
<quoted text>
Bob, I've been impressed with your posts. I wanted to say that I appreciated you mentioning that your son had been deployed so many times, it helps us all remember that there are all kinds of people reading these threads. I hope when he returns, he returns safely, and does not have to leave again.
Now, for my post you responded to. That "person", I am pretty sure is a female, and is fun to try to get a reaction out of. She said that she was going to take the afternoon 'off' from topix and spend some quality time with some good people. I thought by writing what I did, she would not fulfill her 'promises'.-I think she changed to another name and went to another thread.- If I were you, I wouldn't try to help her (although, Lord knows, she needs help!). Or, you're sure welcome to join the craziness, the more the merrier.-- Oh, and I do understand what she was trying to say.
Thanks Fisherman for the kind words. Folks forget that our sons and daughters are there. 6 tours and Watada can not do one tour. It drives me crazy. What if all the enlisted folks decided what wars they are going to fight in.

As far as him not going back, he will go back again. Major now, so he will end up going back a 7th time I am sure. He has not had much time to see his wife and two kids who are at Kaneohe Marine Base. My wife is there right now helping with the kids and giving his wife some time off since they are so young. But he has missed so much precious time with his children and wife. Sometimes I want to cry as his wife calls and she is a good woman who is lonely for her husband. I understand so one of us tries to get to Hawaii every month for at least a week to help her and spend time with their kids. Kaneohe Marines have served more then any other group in America. What does that say? Those Marines are so brave even I get chocked up when I am there in Kaneohe. Everytime I see the planes flying in and out with the kids they want to know is that their Daddies plane? The older one who is now 5 she knows there is war and her Dad might die. She ask her Mom every night if her Daddy is still alive looking for the bad people. How would you feel? I just got a picture from my daughter in law that the bike I bought my oldest granddaughter last month with training wheels well she is a big girl now and can ride her bike without them now. She was so proud of herself. She was so happy in the video, look Tutu look I can ride the big girl bike now, LOL!

I am a simple man who worked hard to give my kids what they needed. None of them have let me down. They have all become successful with their careers and life. But I am a man, a husband, a father, a Grandfather, a Father in Law. But my son, going 6 times already is just too much. No one severed that many times not even in Vietnam. I am going to do what it takes to make sure, he comes back alive and safe and sound to his wife and kids. I am just FED UP with the broken promises.

Thanks.
Bob

Los Angeles, CA

#164 Oct 11, 2009
Truth Speaks for Itself wrote:
<quoted text>Geez. You guesses cover everything but the most direct, obvious answer - America the *nation," the *country.*
As to your biased paraphrasing of what you claim "so many Republicans" say - I'd would suggest that a more accurate statement would be: "How can our government possibly run a national health care program when they're so terrible at running other programs as is?" There's a huge difference between that, and calling it a "terrible government." It's more a comment about government in general - and in comparison to the private sector in a free market economy - than it is a comment about how bad the US government is specifically.
I believe that many, if not most, Conservatives feel that in general, government should only run things that it absolutely has to, because it is inherently less efficient than the private sector.
Show me one govenment agency that is not F***** UP!
Bob

Los Angeles, CA

#165 Oct 11, 2009
alice wrote:
Yeah is right..we are all suffering from Bush's disastrous mistakes.
And the Democrats in the House and Senate since they have had control for more then three years.
alice

Hanalei, HI

#166 Oct 11, 2009
hugs her Bob. I like him although I am an Obama supporter. I love his deep Christian and American idealism.

Since: Sep 08

Honolulu

#167 Oct 11, 2009
Bob wrote:
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And the Democrats in the House and Senate since they have had control for more then three years.
Bob, believe me. There are those of us on the left who want to hold our side accountable. There is much in Washington isn't related to the people's interest. Bush had six years with full Republican support, and two years with marginal opposition.

If the Dems shoot themselves in the foot, the progressives won't be there holding bandages. The cause of this malaise in the U.S. isn't the government -- it's the ones who have the power to manipulate the government.

And that really isn't we the people any more.

Since: Sep 08

Honolulu

#168 Oct 12, 2009
Truth Speaks for Itself wrote:
<quoted text>So enamored of your "bat signal" "joke" (if we can call it that) that you need to repeat it over and over, until someone finally laughs.(Hint: Don't hold your breath.)
Well, if you want to blame someone for sending out a signal - blame Bull, since he's the one who bought Thom1s up. Not me.
http://www.topix.com/forum/city/honolulu-hi/T...
But don't let the facts stand in your way. You never do. LOL. You always get facts and opinions mixed up, even as you accuse others of that all the time. "Do as you say, not as you do."
Bye-bye, Pathetic One! I have a busy day ahead of me. Have fun sitting inside staring at your computer screen, waiting for someone to come along so you can repeat your bat signal joke to them and hope they'll laugh. Maybe you should send out a bat signal to Bull! ROFLMAO.
I hope after your outing, you've had time to look at the posts here. No one has missed you.
Fisherman

Lanai City, HI

#169 Oct 12, 2009
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>You don't need to defend or explain yourself. Some people are just so politically motivated they take anything said out of context for political gain.
This name changing idiot currently calling itself "truth speaks for itself" thinks it's a funny person saying the situation you described was a joke. Obviously it's display of phony outrage at the beginning was simply a ploy to get military members upset for no reason at all. And it obviously felt no remorse since it did indicate it could sleep well at night.
This reminds me of Bush. Killing your own boys is not a problem and quite an acceptable loss as long as it fits into the political agenda conservatives have. Just like that idiot in Florida who thought it was funny to shoot a silhouette with his democratic opponents initials on the target.
So don't apologize. It's actually owed to you.
Thanks for the thoughts.
You have brought up the initials on the silhouette a couple of times and I don't know if anyone has commented back to validate your concerns.
That is pretty disturbing to me too. I'm not sure what is going through those Republicans minds when they do things like that? Maybe when a group of them get together, they feel more cocky and don't think about the chances of outsiders hearing about what they are doing. Maybe when a person is so self-righteous and over confident, consideration of others doesn't cross their mind?
By putting the Democrat lady opponents' initials on a 'rag head' silhouette, he not only will alienate many women and democrats, he is inflaming Muslims too. That is more worrisome to me. They were all shooting 'rag heads', they feel that part was OK. Are they trying to cause a terrorist attack, or fear in Americans for power and control, or a war- or are their heads so fat, they can only see out of little slits and only see what they want to see?
(actually, when I think about this a little more, I bet you can go in almost any store that sells targets and ammunition, and they have factory made Muslim targets, maybe even Obama and Bush targets- but these shooters are supposed to be community leaders)
Bob

Los Angeles, CA

#170 Oct 12, 2009
alice wrote:
hugs her Bob. I like him although I am an Obama supporter. I love his deep Christian and American idealism.
Thanks alice. But you better worry about YOUR future. My family will be taken care of. My Grandkids will be able to go to college and do almost anything they want. All of my own kids have done very well for themselves. I supported Obama too, but he has yet to even keep any of his campaign promises. Why should my son go for a 7th tour!
Bob

Los Angeles, CA

#171 Oct 12, 2009
Bullshot Crummond wrote:
<quoted text>
Bob, believe me. There are those of us on the left who want to hold our side accountable. There is much in Washington isn't related to the people's interest. Bush had six years with full Republican support, and two years with marginal opposition.
If the Dems shoot themselves in the foot, the progressives won't be there holding bandages. The cause of this malaise in the U.S. isn't the government -- it's the ones who have the power to manipulate the government.
And that really isn't we the people any more.
Agree with you. I hope the REIDS and PELOSI type get their act together. Obama and Reid do not seem to be hitting it off. Expect the Dems to mess up again and see a change in the House and Senate by 2010. I am so worried about the future and what is going down in IRAN, PAKI and AFI. Nukes on that side of the world will not be good.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#172 Oct 12, 2009
Fisherman wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for the thoughts.
You have brought up the initials on the silhouette a couple of times and I don't know if anyone has commented back to validate your concerns.
That is pretty disturbing to me too. I'm not sure what is going through those Republicans minds when they do things like that? Maybe when a group of them get together, they feel more cocky and don't think about the chances of outsiders hearing about what they are doing. Maybe when a person is so self-righteous and over confident, consideration of others doesn't cross their mind?
By putting the Democrat lady opponents' initials on a 'rag head' silhouette, he not only will alienate many women and democrats, he is inflaming Muslims too. That is more worrisome to me. They were all shooting 'rag heads', they feel that part was OK. Are they trying to cause a terrorist attack, or fear in Americans for power and control, or a war- or are their heads so fat, they can only see out of little slits and only see what they want to see?
(actually, when I think about this a little more, I bet you can go in almost any store that sells targets and ammunition, and they have factory made Muslim targets, maybe even Obama and Bush targets- but these shooters are supposed to be community leaders)
I need to start listening to Rush more. It seems to me many of these "leaders" are taking their lead from him. Or visa versa.

Either way, it shows what direction they're trying to take.

Fear of the enemy outside our borders worked for Bush. It seems they're now trying impose that fear on Americans inside the US.
Fisherman

Lanai City, HI

#173 Oct 12, 2009
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>I need to start listening to Rush more. It seems to me many of these "leaders" are taking their lead from him. Or visa versa.
Either way, it shows what direction they're trying to take.
Fear of the enemy outside our borders worked for Bush. It seems they're now trying impose that fear on Americans inside the US.
For those guys shooting that day, I don't think it was part of a conscious plot to instill fear in the American public for control and power. It probably never crossed their minds that someone would tell the media what they were doing.
I read an article this morning that made me change the was I think of Rush.
today.msnbc.com Limbaugh: I love to 'yank media's chain' by Michael Inbar
It might be worth reading, made me not think so bad of him.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#174 Oct 12, 2009
Fisherman wrote:
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For those guys shooting that day, I don't think it was part of a conscious plot to instill fear in the American public for control and power. It probably never crossed their minds that someone would tell the media what they were doing.
I read an article this morning that made me change the was I think of Rush.
today.msnbc.com Limbaugh: I love to 'yank media's chain' by Michael Inbar
It might be worth reading, made me not think so bad of him.
NBC had a taped interview on this morning with him. I understand there's another part coming out tomorrow. That's what started me thinking about who's leading who in the party.
Fisherman

Lanai City, HI

#175 Oct 12, 2009
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>NBC had a taped interview on this morning with him. I understand there's another part coming out tomorrow. That's what started me thinking about who's leading who in the party.
There is a big vacuum in Republican leadership.
How long has it been since there was an obvious leader (and I don't mean Cheney)?
I was sorry to see Charlton Heston pass away, I would have voted for him.
(US presidents are pretty much puppets for special interest groups or other influences anyway. Some just swing with the polls.)
A Suggestion

Waimea, HI

#176 Oct 12, 2009
Yeah wrote:
<quoted text>I need to start listening to Rush more. It seems to me many of these "leaders" are taking their lead from him. Or visa versa.
Either way, it shows what direction they're trying to take.
Fear of the enemy outside our borders worked for Bush. It seems they're now trying impose that fear on Americans inside the US.
Instead of Rush, try listening to less radical Right-wing talk radio voices, like Michael Medved, Dennis Prager, or Hugh Hewitt. Although they're obviously biased, they rely less on provoking outrage and much more on reason than guys like Rush or Beck. They're also very intelligent and knowledgeable in knowing their stuff - politics, history, religion, etc. I think they're on local AM 690 (?) during the day.(I haven't had much success in finding similar hosts but on the opposite side.)

If you're far-Left, then you'll probably still get upset at some (many?) of the things they say, but I think they'll also provide you with good food for thought, and a better idea of where more moderate Conservatives like me are coming from. They also occasionally invite Left-wing voices on their shows to debate, and try to give them equal opportunity to say their thing.

Personally, I wouldn't recommend Rush, Beck or Hannity. They may be popular and more well-known, but to me they're more extreme.
Yeah

Mililani, HI

#177 Oct 12, 2009
Fisherman wrote:
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There is a big vacuum in Republican leadership.
How long has it been since there was an obvious leader (and I don't mean Cheney)?
I was sorry to see Charlton Heston pass away, I would have voted for him.
(US presidents are pretty much puppets for special interest groups or other influences anyway. Some just swing with the polls.)
Funny because it doesn't seem to be a point the right wants to acknowledge or even consider. So in the vacuum of leadership, you normally end up with a lot of in fighting. In the GOP's case, it looks more like they have an identity crisis. They just don't know who they are or who they want to be. They only know who the "enemy" is. In essence, it becomes a mob.

As for Heston, I used to be supporter of his. But his ideals in the NRA got too radical and in the end, he polarized me away.

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