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Dayton, OH

#23932 Mar 21, 2013
Observer wrote:
My kids hate study island, you just keep guessing until you get it right, there is no learning. They aren't teaching anyone anything and the teachers don't have to grade anything, it is done automatically. No wonder they love it so.
Another factual post. I could not agree more.
does the county esc have

Springboro, OH

#23933 Mar 21, 2013
Do they have a lot of retired rehires? It has been said they have double digit retire rehires and they all make $100-179 per year. Do Boro taxpayers pay their salaries? Do they hide their salaries by charging salaries to thier various business units? Why does the county allow this to go on?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23934 Mar 21, 2013
How much did Springboro graduates get in scholarship dollars last year?

How much did Lebanon graduates accumulate?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23936 Mar 21, 2013
Warren County Educational Service Center Report 2012

Page 10 discussing High Schools That Work standards and our backsliding DECREASES in key areas.

Why the School Should Continue to Address This Key Practice.

According to Table 8, ONLY 43% Of SHS students have completed the HSTW recommended curriculum (Ohio Core), a 34 percent DECREASE from 2008. Although interviews indicate that this sharp decrease is the result of changes in the process for coding transcripts, versus changes in curriculum, the DECREASE is still noteworthy. Only 60% of SHS students completed 4 credits of CP English, a DECREASE of 33% from 2008. There was a 5% DECREASE between 2008 and 2010 with 77% of students completing 4 credits of CP mathematics. 80% completed three credits of CP science, a decrease of 12% from 2008. Only 55% of SHS students completed at least one concentration,
30% below the HSTW goal.

SHS still offers general level classes (Algebra 1A and 1B, physical science, US History, and World History). Thus, not all students experience a college-preparatory curriculum.

Documents provided to the TAV Team indicate that CONTRARY TO the HSTW philosophy, SHS believes that offering low~level courses is in the best interest of students.­

This belief, however, was NOT SUBSTANTIATED by research or data.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23937 Mar 21, 2013
Warren County Educational Service Center audit of the program of studies 2012.

Professional educators hired by Mr. Petrey to provide an unbiased look at our program of studies and how we are doing with the High Schools That Work program.

Page 10
https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bxs0_xA64y_HS...

All pages, go to post number 23669 and 23670, February 26, 2013
Open your Eyes people

Girard, OH

#23938 Mar 24, 2013
poundsand wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know about any other math classes but in my son's 7th grade math class the teacher constantly refers him to penda learning or study island web sites to work on math problems. The problem is, he hasn't even been 'taught' how to work the problems. The teacher expects the WEB SITE to do that. The teacher also posts videos but they aren't any better.
If this is what math 'teaching' is today it's no wonder they are "proficient".
And don't get me started on the constant use of 'open book' tests that are given in other subjects he takes...
And our current school board brags about recent expenditures in technology and looks to reduce teaching staff even more, thereby increasing
class sizes......hmmm....even more opportunities for our children to receive less personalized instruction and assistance. If I was this parent, I would be outraged.
Proficient w Distinction

Girard, OH

#23939 Mar 24, 2013
poundsand wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't know about any other math classes but in my son's 7th grade math class the teacher constantly refers him to penda learning or study island web sites to work on math problems. The problem is, he hasn't even been 'taught' how to work the problems. The teacher expects the WEB SITE to do that. The teacher also posts videos but they aren't any better.
If this is what math 'teaching' is today it's no wonder they are "proficient".
And don't get me started on the constant use of 'open book' tests that are given in other subjects he takes...
This discussion goes far beyond the walls of Springboro schools. This discussion is about the gradual, yet systematic lowering of the bar of academic expectations for ALL of Ohio's public school students - all in the name of each and every district's respective struggle to get the top State rating.

http://stateimpact.npr.org/ohio/2012/10/17/oh...

The next batch of posters sent Boro and other top ranked districts ought to read.... "Proficient with Distinction"
truth to power

Girard, OH

#23940 Mar 24, 2013
Open your Eyes people wrote:
<quoted text>
And our current school board brags about recent expenditures in technology and looks to reduce teaching staff even more, thereby increasing
class sizes......hmmm....even more opportunities for our children to receive less personalized instruction and assistance. If I was this parent, I would be outraged.
Let's take for example Korea Japan and Israel. Right now, on average, students in these countries are academically kicking the living bejesus out of their American peers. How can this be if Korean, Japanese & Israeli average classroom size is 6-7 more students than in America?

Don't be outraged.
Instead try enlightening yourself.

http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/11/...
miller thyme

Piqua, OH

#23941 Mar 26, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
<quoted text>
I's gots me GED. Andz me degree from a craker jack bocs
...and now ima elected to the bored of edukashun! Thanx to union teachers in every classroom, ima now proficient with no distinkshun. And that's as good as our kids need to be!
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23942 Mar 26, 2013
The teacher's union who are on strike in Strongsville are recommending that parents pay attention to what is going on in their schools.

I believe they are correct in their concerns, but why should we wait until the teachers go on strike?

Should not these helpful hints also apply to our current teachers?

Maybe we would be able to discover why our performance levels are failing over 2000 children in our district?

The union recommendations for good parents are as follows:

WHO IS MINDING THE CHILDREN?

HOW TO KEEP AN EYE ON YOUR CHILD

If you are considering sending your child to school during the strike, please investigate what is happening at school:

LISTEN to what your children tell you about the conditions at school

VISIT the school and your child's classroom to observe conditions there.

ASK to see the teaching license of the replacement "teacher" who has been assigned to your child's class.

REPORT unsafe conditions or the lack of quality teaching that you observe to the Board of Education.

These recommendations should be followed now by the concerned parents of this district if they want to know how our schools are really performing day in and day out.

Most will, of course, be doing great, but some may be lacking in content, ability, or curriculum.

Find out for yourselves, the union isn't always wrong.
Reject Forced Unionism

Piqua, OH

#23943 Mar 26, 2013
Just Watching wrote:
<quoted text>
Just watching one of the biggest hypocrites in our community. Wish I would have run up close to 1 million in debt and walked away. Then have the gall to take it out on educators. It would take a beginning teacher 25 years to make that amount. Wonder how long it took her to spend that much money.
Given the latest news from Michigan regarding the passing of Right to Work legislation in that state it is encouraging to know that Ohio is right behind them. No longer should teachers be coerced into to participating in an organization that contradicts many teachers moral convictions. See links below. Forced unionism is a Marxist philosophy and has no place in Springboro. Yes a teacher can opt out, but must still pay a large portion of the Membership dues. How about giving the teachers the ability to opt out and pay nothing.

The Pro Union thugs that attend your meetings undermine and interfere with the Board's efforts of promoting fiscally responsible Pro Student/tax Payer initiative’s. The noise they make always leads back to what’s best for the teachers union interests with little concern for the Student or the Tax payer. Please understand I am thankful for the many great teachers in Springboro, it’s the Union who we have issues with.

Please do not cave to their Thug Tactics, the Community is behind you and appreciate your efforts to be fiscally responsible. Unelected Union Sympathizers have no platform to constantly harass the BOE members as they are neither Staff nor Union Members. As Union puppets their only purpose is create division and discontentment within the Schools and Community.

The best thing that can happen is to make Right to Work a Law here in Ohio and it is coming. http://www.10tv.com/content/stories/2012/12/1...

Check out what the NEA/Teachers Union stands for regarding Homosexuality, Liberal and Christian viewpoints. In my opinion Teachers Unions are like affirmative action, they force employers to compensate groups of individuals based on the demands of the group rather than individual performance/contributions. It is insulting to individual liberty and personal responsibility and is basically a legal form of extortion. Do we really want organizations with these kinds of radical agendas shaping our schools ideology?

See the links below and you’ll realize what we’re dealing with:

http://www.missionamerica.com/enews/enews_Mar...

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Education/Default.a...

&fe ature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch...

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action...

Thank you for your efforts,
Observer

Lebanon, OH

#23944 Mar 26, 2013
Still no answer.

Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks.

Thursday Mar 14

Just Watching wrote:
3rd Grade 2009-2010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 3rd grade
.
Limited.......... 14 Students
Limited.......... 39% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -24 correct answers =(0-46% correct)
.
Basic..........46 Students
Basic ..........55% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--25 - 32 correct answers =(48-62% correct)
.
Proficient........158 Students
Proficient........72% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -33-41 correct answers =(63-79% correct)
.
Accelerated.....124 Students
Accelerated.....84% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--42 -45 correct answers =(81-87% correct)
.
Advanced........124 Students
Advanced........93% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--46 -52 correct answers =(88-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......59 Students
Percentage of Students.....13% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......83 Students
Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........127 Students
Percentage of Students.....27% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........149 Students
Percentage of Students.....32% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....46 Students
Percentage of Students....10% receiving A
Are these facts as Just Watching New Carlisle said them factual? If not why not?
Observer

Lebanon, OH

#23945 Mar 26, 2013
Still no answer.

Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks.

Thursday Mar 14

Just Watching wrote:
4th Grade 2010-2011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 4th grade
.
Limited.......... 8 Students
Limited.......... 25% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -16 correct answers =(0-31% correct)
.
Basic..........32 Students
Basic ..........57% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--17 - 24 correct answers =(33-46% correct)
.
Proficient........108 Students
Proficient........60% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -25-36 correct answers =(48-69% correct)
.
Accelerated.....104 Students
Accelerated.....76% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--37 -42 correct answers =(63-81% correct)
.
Advanced........176 Students
Advanced........83% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--43 -52 correct answers =(83-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......104 Students
Percentage of Students.....24% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......76 Students
Percentage of Students.....18% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........93 Students
Percentage of Students.....22% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........98 Students
Percentage of Students.....23% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....57 Students
Percentage of Students....13% receiving A
Are these facts as Just Watching New Carlisle said them factual? If not why not?
Observer

Lebanon, OH

#23946 Mar 26, 2013
Still no answer.

Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks.

Thursday Mar 14

Just Watching wrote:
5th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......52 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 5th grade
.
Limited.......... 20 Students
Limited.......... 25% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -17 correct answers =(0-33% correct)
.
Basic..........35 Students
Basic ..........40% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--18 - 23 correct answers =(34-44% correct)
.
Proficient........107 Students
Proficient........54% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -24-32 correct answers =(46-62% correct)
.
Accelerated.....76 Students
Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--33 -37 correct answers =(63-71% correct)
.
Advanced........213 Students
Advanced........82% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--38 -52 correct answers =(73-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......162 Students
Percentage of Students.....36% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......95 Students
Percentage of Students.....21% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........90 Students
Percentage of Students.....20% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........77 Students
Percentage of Students.....17% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....27 Students
Percentage of Students....6% receiving A
Are these facts as Just Watching New Carlisle said them factual? If not why not?
Observer

Lebanon, OH

#23947 Mar 26, 2013
Still no answer.

Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks.

Thursday Mar 14

Just Watching wrote:
6th Grade 2009-2010 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 6th grade
.
Limited.......... 12 Students
Limited.......... 18% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -12 correct answers =(0-18% correct)
.
Basic..........13 Students
Basic ..........31% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--13- 19 correct answers =(26-38% correct)
.
Proficient........96 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -20-27 correct answers =(40-54% correct)
.
Accelerated.....104 Students
Accelerated.....62% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--28 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........176 Students
Advanced........80% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......209 Students
Percentage of Students.....49% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......93 Students
Percentage of Students.....22% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........73 Students
Percentage of Students.....17% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........42 Students
Percentage of Students.....10% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....9 Students
Percentage of Students......2% receiving A
Are these facts as Just Watching New Carlisle said them factual? If not why not?
Observer

Lebanon, OH

#23948 Mar 26, 2013
Still no answer.

Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks.

Thursday Mar 14

Just Watching wrote:
What did the children learn in grades 1-6 in Springboro?
Only 21% scored better than 75% on the 7th grade OAA Math test.

21%

7th Grade 2010-2011 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 7th grade
.
Limited.......... 8 Students
Limited.......... 17% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -9 correct answers =(0-18% correct)
.
Basic..........35 Students
Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--10- 16 correct answers =(20-32% correct)
.
Proficient........161 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -17-29 correct answers =(34-58% correct)
.
Accelerated.....95 Students
Accelerated.....65% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--30 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........104 Students
Advanced........81% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students
Percentage of Students.....59% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......79 Students
Percentage of Students.....20% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........60 Students
Percentage of Students.....15% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........25 Students
Percentage of Students.....6% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....2 Students
Percentage of Students......0% receiving A
Are these facts as Just Watching New Carlisle said them factual? If not why not?
Observer

Lebanon, OH

#23949 Mar 26, 2013
Still no answer.

Ask the union to address this issue during negotiation and then see how their pay looks.

8th Grade 2011-2012 Ohio Achievement Assessment Tests Results.
.
Math .......50 possible points on the test
.
.
State Rating System and distribution of students for the 8th grade
.
Limited.......... 3 Students
Limited.......... 20% was the Average score for this group
Limited..........definition--0 -10 correct answers =(0-20% correct)
.
Basic..........25 Students
Basic ..........27% was the Average score for this group
Basic..........definition--11- 15 correct answers =(22-30% correct)
.
Proficient........174 Students
Proficient........47% was the Average score for this group
Proficient.........definition- -16-29 correct answers =(32-58% correct)
.
Accelerated.....159 Students
Accelerated.....67% was the Average score for this group
Accelerated.....definition--30 -36 correct answers =(60-72% correct)
.
Advanced........77 Students
Advanced........85% was the Average score for this group
Advanced........definition--37 -50 correct answers =(74-100% correct)
.
Applying Mr. Malone's same grading system used for assigning percentages to grades earned in the college credit program (PSEO)
.
F.....Below 62.99% correct answers.......239 Students
Percentage of Students.....55% receiving F
D..... 63%- 74.99% correct answers......108 Students
Percentage of Students.....25% receiving D
C......75%- 84.99% correct answers........49 Students
Percentage of Students.....11% receiving C
B..... 85%- 92.99% correct answers........36 Students
Percentage of Students.....8% receiving B
A..... 93% correct answers and above.....6 Students
Percentage of Students.....1% receiving A
.
.
.
Is this the level of achievement to which we wish to aspire in Springboro?
.
Is this the best we are capable of given our resources?
.
Should we continue to allow the schools and the state to hide behind euphemisms rather than actual achievement?
.
Demand better, our children and taxpayers deserve a real return on our investment in our schools.

Are these facts as Just Watching New Carlisle said them factual? If not why not?
Observer

Lebanon, OH

#23950 Mar 26, 2013
OGT lack of worthwhile standards and again nobody stands up and gives any answers for any of this, just give me more money or your kids will suffer.
Ask the high school staff if any of this is true or not. I looked up the same stuff Just Watching did.

Still waiting for your clarification on your post.

If you can find the question I will try and come up with the answer.

Or you could explain to all of us why you are not defining the classification of "Proficient" on the OGT.

A helpful tutelage from the Ohio Department of Education on the scales for the results on the Math test

Limited.........0-12 points..........0-25% correct on the test
Basic..........12.5-17.5 points.......26%-36% correct on the test
PROFICIENT...18-27 points..........37.5%-56% correct on the test
Accelerated...27.5-34 points..........57%-71% correct on the test
Advanced......34.5-48 points..........72%-100% correct on the test

This is not a difficult test, take it for yourself, it is on the ODE website.

http://www.ode.state.oh.us/GD/Templates/Pages ...

Then wonder why after two years of preparation in our "college prep" high school, nearly 40% of the children taking this test score 75% or less, and still have not mastered basic math covering what should have been learned in grades 1-9. They even let a child use a calculator and provide a cheat sheet with all the necessary formulas required to answer the questions on the test.

Seriously, who wishes to defend labeling a student who has mastered less than 56% of the math material as "PROFICIENT"?

Only our high school administration team would sit in front of the cameras and present to the community 97.4% of our students taking the OGT were "PROFICIENT" and above. And then proceed to bask in the clapping and cheering from the union and the union supporters with a straight face.
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23951 Mar 28, 2013
This just in from striking school teachers in Strongsville, OH

“SEA President Tracy Linscott.“It is bad enough that the students have spent three weeks receiving a completely fake education, but to find out this is being done at a greater cost to taxpayers than real school is further evidence of the board’s incompetence.”

I love the part of the quote that claims the children are now getting a fake education with the substitute teachers.

A quick look at the Strongsville report card shows us that 40.6% of their students are PROFICIENT and below in Math.

Based upon their student body population that would mean that over 2600 kids in that district are not getting the education the taxpayers of that community are funding.

http://www.ode.state.oh.us/reportcardfiles/20...

This place is passing only 59.4% of its students, how is this a real education
Ms. Villamagna?
Just Watching

Cleveland, OH

#23952 Mar 28, 2013
If you haven't had time to read the new contract changes in the teachers proposal you can now at www.springboro.org

If you liked the day when they its delayed start once per month, you will love this one, ONCE per week delayed start. Section 15.11

Why they don't stay an hour AFTER school to do this is beyond me, you would soon see how important these meetings were by the number cancelled and how short they become on the teacher's hour.

Considering that over 2000 plus kids in our district are not getting the education that we are funding, these demands do not seem to have much impact on that dilemma .

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