OpEd: Sarah Palin's M.O. all too fami...

OpEd: Sarah Palin's M.O. all too familiar

There are 38 comments on the www.sfgate.com story from Sep 22, 2008, titled OpEd: Sarah Palin's M.O. all too familiar. In it, www.sfgate.com reports that:

Palin's record reveals that she has modeled her style of governance after Dick Cheney, whose authoritarian principles of leadership rely heavily on lying, secrecy and vindictiveness.

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“Gone Baby Gone”

Since: Apr 07

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#24 Sep 23, 2008
McNasty wrote:
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I wish that were true. Unfortunately, McCain sold out to the religious right when he met with Franklin Graham (Billy's son and high ranking member of the CNP) He let them pick his VP candidate and they chose Palin after she hired Graham's good friend Kopp to replace Monegan. The Anchorage Daily News and The Nation both have articles about it. What kind of man wants to be president so badly that he would put an end times fanatic that close to the nuclear button?
Forgive me but I think we are saying the same thing here but I admit I haven't read those articles yet.

Let me ask you this: who do you think belongs to CNP? I would easily place Bush there as a true believer. Cheney too. Rove, but mostly like a working dog instead of a true believer because he follows power in any form and believes where politics and religion meet is some of the most powerful.

I beg to differ with Rove but he would laugh and sneer and point to thousands of years of history but I am brave enough to laugh back at him, minus the sneer, and point to a massively unstoppable tipping point building as we speak that the world is reaching about that incredibly bad mix.

I don't think Graham picked her because I don't think either of the Grahams have enough political acumen for starters, or clout even inside the CNP, for enders. But it is an undeniable fact that the Christian faction has taken over the GOP. I think McCain sold out to them when his campaign died in the primaries and its been very slow to be revealed, for obvious reasons. The Graham meeting came later.

I see a whole faction of the GOP, while mostly Christian too, who are far more modern in their views. They are not at all happy about the melding of politics and religion and more than willing to undermine the neocons, if given a chance. Not all in the GOP are fanatical Christians.
McNasty

Pacifica, CA

#25 Sep 23, 2008
Aging Hippy wrote:
<quoted text>Forgive me but I think we are saying the same thing here but I admit I haven't read those articles yet.
Let me ask you this: who do you think belongs to CNP? I would easily place Bush there as a true believer. Cheney too. Rove, but mostly like a working dog instead of a true believer because he follows power in any form and believes where politics and religion meet is some of the most powerful.
I beg to differ with Rove but he would laugh and sneer and point to thousands of years of history but I am brave enough to laugh back at him, minus the sneer, and point to a massively unstoppable tipping point building as we speak that the world is reaching about that incredibly bad mix.
I don't think Graham picked her because I don't think either of the Grahams have enough political acumen for starters, or clout even inside the CNP, for enders. But it is an undeniable fact that the Christian faction has taken over the GOP. I think McCain sold out to them when his campaign died in the primaries and its been very slow to be revealed, for obvious reasons. The Graham meeting came later.
I see a whole faction of the GOP, while mostly Christian too, who are far more modern in their views. They are not at all happy about the melding of politics and religion and more than willing to undermine the neocons, if given a chance. Not all in the GOP are fanatical Christians.
Okay. But I would point out that the CNP isn't really about Christian values, it is about consolidating power in the hands of "conservative" leaders of religious movements, industry, banking, etc. Their foot soldiers are the ignorant religionists who believe their church leaders are channeling god's instructions. They are mobilized or not depending on whether the candidate is sufficienctly subservient to the CNP. McCain had to give up a lot to get their support, in this case his patriotic soul by letting them put Palin in the White House on his death or in 2012, whichever comes first. These are truly dangerous times for our shaky democracy.
Carol

Brooklyn, NY

#26 Sep 23, 2008
McNasty wrote:
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Okay. But I would point out that the CNP isn't really about Christian values, it is about consolidating power in the hands of "conservative" leaders of religious movements, industry, banking, etc. Their foot soldiers are the ignorant religionists who believe their church leaders are channeling god's instructions. They are mobilized or not depending on whether the candidate is sufficienctly subservient to the CNP. McCain had to give up a lot to get their support, in this case his patriotic soul by letting them put Palin in the White House on his death or in 2012, whichever comes first. These are truly dangerous times for our shaky democracy.
Whoa - GREAT post!

Hagee's congregation is estimated at being 20,000 strong - his personal wealth and power is unfortunately increasing.

ladeeda

Middletown, CT

#27 Sep 23, 2008
JohnInLa wrote:
<quoted text>The above is a prime example of the many history illiterate politically inept nitwits who read what dropped out of some dirty diaper democRat's behind and they roll around in it like it's fresh snow...pathetic.
Congratulations Anger management class is working you are no longer shouting. Now if you could only learn to articulate without a potty mouth and name calling others might take the time to read what you are trying to convey.
x-nutmegger

Phoenix, AZ

#28 Sep 23, 2008
Now Drudge has an article stating that on TV this morning Biden said as soon as the Market Crashed in '29 FDR got on TV and talked to the nation.

JOE , Joe and hey Joeeeey .

Who was POTUS in '29 and what TV stations were in operation for consumer viewing , Joey is on a roll !
ladeeda

Middletown, CT

#29 Sep 23, 2008
Mitchola wrote:
Obama has a real name of Barry Soetoro he might not even be a us citizen
That is old Propaganda that has been proven to be false.
ladeeda

Middletown, CT

#30 Sep 23, 2008
JohnInLa wrote:
<quoted text>Anyone who asks why someone kills a moose, etc. is the kind of idiot who would starve to death if it were not for grocery stores.
Furthermore, I can't wait for the debates either...Nitwits like you are going to witness Joe Obiden get his head handed to him, that is if he doesn't put his foot in his mouth again between now and the debate..."Be patriotic: Pay higher taxes." Idiot.
But there are super markets so what is the purpose of shooting an innocent animal just for sport?

I really don't think you have to worry about paying higher taxes on your limited income, I really don't think you are a Bill Gates.

Yes, it is Patriotic to pay higher taxes if you make a large income, that is a way of saying thanks and paying back the troops that are risking their lives, or help their families during bad economic times, and even give them the proper health care they deserve. How could anyone be so greedy during a time of War that they want to keep every penny they earn so they can purchase more things. These Patriotic Hero's risk their lives every day and you begrudge them a few extra dollars to make their circumstances more tolerable.

Since: Aug 08

Venice Beach, CA

#31 Sep 23, 2008
Wow, after reading that article, I have to say, Sarah Palin is good at what she does. And it explains a little about how a journalism major becomes governor with an 80% approval rating.

“Gone Baby Gone”

Since: Apr 07

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#33 Sep 23, 2008
McNasty wrote:
<quoted text>
Okay. But I would point out that the CNP isn't really about Christian values, it is about consolidating power in the hands of "conservative" leaders of religious movements, industry, banking, etc. Their foot soldiers are the ignorant religionists who believe their church leaders are channeling god's instructions. They are mobilized or not depending on whether the candidate is sufficienctly subservient to the CNP. McCain had to give up a lot to get their support, in this case his patriotic soul by letting them put Palin in the White House on his death or in 2012, whichever comes first. These are truly dangerous times for our shaky democracy.
I agree wholeheartedly with you here. But I do think many of them think it is about Christian values even when it appears not to be or they make it appear not to be. I'd be willing to bet that in their hearts, secretly, they believe they are on a mission from God. Both Bushs do. McCain does. Palin does. Not all conservatives, powerful or otherwise, manifest spiritual hubris on that magnitude. Some find that especially grotesque and I wanted to lay down that distinction. I simply think many in this club do, particularly the ones who are mixing religion and politics.

“Gone Baby Gone”

Since: Apr 07

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#34 Sep 23, 2008
Carol wrote:
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Whoa - GREAT post!
Hagee's congregation is estimated at being 20,000 strong - his personal wealth and power is unfortunately increasing.
Hagee is trying to go down the same path as Falwell. But I believe Falwellian days have actually come and gone, given what backlash occurred to that at both ends of the mix. In repeating and growing numbers, overly religious politicians are out and overly political ministers are out.
x-nutmegger

Phoenix, AZ

#35 Sep 23, 2008
Aging Hippy wrote:
<quoted text>Hagee is trying to go down the same path as Falwell. But I believe Falwellian days have actually come and gone, given what backlash occurred to that at both ends of the mix. In repeating and growing numbers, overly religious politicians are out and overly political ministers are out.
Hell just froze over !

You and I agree on something.
Carol

Bronx, NY

#37 Sep 23, 2008
Aging Hippy wrote:
<quoted text>Hagee is trying to go down the same path as Falwell. But I believe Falwellian days have actually come and gone, given what backlash occurred to that at both ends of the mix. In repeating and growing numbers, overly religious politicians are out and overly political ministers are out.
I will agree that the old “fire and brimstone” approach to religious recruitment and “retention” has gone by the wayside – I believe though that change occurred ONLY because it was in the church’s best interest to try and appeal to more mainstream religions.

Mainstream Protestants for instance had, for the most part, considered the LDS Church to be a cult – but, the church’s growing popularity coupled with its worldwide appeal tells me that their new recruitment “tactics” have been successful.

Romney, being a member of the LDS Church – had quite a huge following BECAUSE of it. His friendship with Evangelical leader Rick Warren also gained him even more support.

Wikipedia:“Over 400,000 pastors and church leaders from around the world have attended a seminar or conference led by Warren and other pastors who share best practices as they seek to be more effective in fulfilling the Great Commission and the Great Commandment.

The Christian Right will also join “forces” with other religious sects – Catholics, Jews, etc. for a “common goal” or purpose. The Republicans I believe therefore choose Palin to appeal not only to the Christian Right but also OTHER more religious groups.

Makes me wonder if the Republican Party should be renamed the “Church Party”.
Politics As Usual

New Orleans, LA

#38 Sep 23, 2008
The Obama Campaign: Astroturfing Champions

Palin
http://mypetjawa.mu.nu/

Hillary
http://archives.neuralgourmet.com/2007/03/22/...
MikeFromNJ

Jersey City, NJ

#39 Sep 23, 2008
Typical left leaning media...since they can't compete on the issues and since the Democratic Congress of the last TWO years has ruined our economy...the only thing left for the Democrats to do is to link McCain to Bush and Palin to Cheney.

I hope people wake up and vote for a bipartisan, experienced and tested candidate...Vote for John McCain.

“Gone Baby Gone”

Since: Apr 07

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#40 Sep 23, 2008
Carol wrote:
<quoted text>
I will agree that the old “fire and brimstone” approach to religious recruitment and “retention” has gone by the wayside – I believe though that change occurred ONLY because it was in the church’s best interest to try and appeal to more mainstream religions.
Mainstream Protestants for instance had, for the most part, considered the LDS Church to be a cult – but, the church’s growing popularity coupled with its worldwide appeal tells me that their new recruitment “tactics” have been successful.
Romney, being a member of the LDS Church – had quite a huge following BECAUSE of it. His friendship with Evangelical leader Rick Warren also gained him even more support.
Wikipedia:“Over 400,000 pastors and church leaders from around the world have attended a seminar or conference led by Warren and other pastors who share best practices as they seek to be more effective in fulfilling the Great Commission and the Great Commandment.
The Christian Right will also join “forces” with other religious sects – Catholics, Jews, etc. for a “common goal” or purpose. The Republicans I believe therefore choose Palin to appeal not only to the Christian Right but also OTHER more religious groups.
Makes me wonder if the Republican Party should be renamed the “Church Party”.
Its good to see religious tolerance spreading. It won't manifest in political power from them though. How can it from that direction? They would still fight over who's religion should be The One politically. If politics and religion are to ever mix again now, it has to come from the political side, hence McCain/Palin, your quintessential Christian ticket.

“Gone Baby Gone”

Since: Apr 07

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#41 Sep 23, 2008
x-nutmegger wrote:
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Hell just froze over !
You and I agree on something.
Good to know. But I don't think of hell as a place but rather a condition --- a person so completely out of touch with themselves they are a hazard to themselves and others, umm, so does that negate this? ;-)
Carol

Bronx, NY

#42 Sep 24, 2008
Aging Hippy wrote:
<quoted text>Its good to see religious tolerance spreading.
hehee - good one - a positive perspective of their "alliance"! I admit I hadn't seen one!

Since: Aug 08

Venice Beach, CA

#43 Sep 24, 2008
How Racism Works

What if John McCain were a former president of the Harvard Law Review? What if Barack Obama finished fifth from the bottom of his graduating class?

What if McCain were still married to the first woman he said 'I do' to? What if Obama were the candidate who left his first wife after she no longer measured up to his standards?

What if Michelle Obama were a wife who not only became addicted to pain killers, but acquired them illegally through her charitable organization? What if Cindy McCain graduated from Harvard?

What if Obama were a member of the Keating-5? What if McCain were a charismatic, eloquent speaker?

If these questions reflected reality, do you really believe the election numbers would be as close as they are?

This is what racism does. It covers up, rationalizes and minimizes positive qualities in one candidate and emphasizes negative qualities in another when there is a color difference.

You are The Boss... which team would you hire?

With America facing historic debt, 2 wars, stumbling health care, a weakened dollar, all-time high prison population, mortgage crises, bank foreclosures, etc.

Educational Background:

Obama:
Columbia University - B.A. Political Science with a Specialization in International Relations.
Harvard - Juris Doctor (J.D.) Magna Cum Laude

Biden:
University of Delaware - B.A. in History and B.A. in Political Science.
Syracuse University College of Law - Juris Doctor (J.D.)

vs.

McCain: United States Naval Academy - Class rank: 894 of 899

Palin: Hawaii Pacific University - 1 semester
North Idaho College - 2 semesters - general study
University of Idaho - 2 semesters - journalism
Matanuska-Susitna College - 1 semester
University of Idaho - 3 semesters - B.A. in Journalism

Now, which team are you going to hire ?

PS: What if Barack Obama had an unwed, pregnant teenage daughter?

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