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#6529 Apr 2, 2013
The thing about our faith is that the Shema came first, before the Council of Nicea in 325 A.D.
Before the Council of Constantinople in 381 A.D. ratifying the Hypostatic Union.
Before Jesus was ever alive. Even before he was ever prophesied about.
So then from Jewish POV, THIS precept comes before any other in determining how exactly they thought about God and God's Creation.
Even Samaritans affirmed the Exodus of the Jew. So too the Muslims. And Jesus tells the Samaritan woman her God was off, since the Babylonian exile
was also a vital part, WITH ATTENDANT PROPHESY
of this One True God.
WE know what we worship. The Samaritans rejected the Temple building, Babylonian exile and evolution of the Jews from there. Jesus was telling here that the evolution the true Jews had in their concept of YHWH was above her own. And that Messiah would come from his tradition, not hers.
So then where would this leave our own paradigms?
These, the mainstream ones?
Sort of in the dust?
#6530 Apr 2, 2013
The Bible is very clear what the One in the Shema is.
Not a compound one of unity, or electrons, or essence or beingness.
Isa 45 says it seven times in case you did not get it.
There IS NO OTHER but the One True God. NO OTHER means any other. Other person. Other thing dead or alive. Other carved image. Other God whom your fathers worshiped. Other means other.
No other. This is plain simple language.
Start here and all else makes sense. Build your building blocks from the foundation of your faith.
#6531 Apr 2, 2013
All of the last post is inherently said
with the ECHAD of YHWH. He is numerically One.
Jesus in Jn 8 makes himself and the Father of him numerically two. Two testifiers.
ECHAD in Hebrew is the simple counting number one.
Don't let anyone fool you. Jews for Jesus, whoever pretends to be messianic.
These are imposters who deny their own first principle. Avery are you listening?
#6532 Apr 2, 2013
Logically it for me came down to what was Jewish DEFAULT and what came of Christian evolutionary
NONE of the first three Creeds of the Christian faith mentions Jesus as God, in fact the Almighty God and Jesus were JUXTAPOSED in these.
Ireneus' Rule of Faith.
The Old Roman Symbol.
The Disciples Creed (original).
So then what can Baaah or anyone else with COMMON SENSE conclude?
This isn't a doctoral debate. It is as simply true as the dark smelly earth you break up at the break of dawn.
In the quietness of your contemplation, this stands out as the real thing.
#6533 Apr 2, 2013
So then these Creeds left Jesus out as God,
also KNOWING Jesus is God...well, they weren't really on this subject or what?
Talking about other things, the Creeds of our faith?
Jesus is God was a side item, not part of the main menu. I get it.
Also Jesus himself never stated the statement. He KNEW he was God but could not say it out loud.
Might offend someone. Again, I GET it. So too, the gospels and epistles. Could not just state Jesus our God. Let us stay blind so that the truth can come in like a thief in the night.
We sheep appreciate the wolves. And the Shepherd
will come like a thief. He sneaks around until the right moment.
Then calls us. I GET it.
#6534 Apr 2, 2013
Baaaaah. Otay Shepuhd. I'se here. Come eat me, I mean come feed me.
"I'se HERE." Not to say I AM here, since people down the road may think I am saying I AM GOD or somethin'....
What did HH say the solution for the Holocaust was, for the Jew?
RUN LIKE HELL. Or something along them lines.
Since: Mar 13
#6535 Apr 2, 2013
Proverbs 18:2 – “A fool does not delight in understanding, But only in revealing his own mind.”
#6536 Apr 2, 2013
Trolling again, papa?
Can I call you papa? Or is your name 'tron?"
"Tron" as in trolling down that tronway?
Why you keep coming back? Can't stay away, can you? My mind that fascinating?
#6537 Apr 2, 2013
Oh, I forgot. Don't feed the trolls.
#6538 Apr 2, 2013
Hey tron. Explain to me how Jesus is God...
if he never said it, "I am God."
Hate to point out the obvious; actually the Bible NEVER actually says he is God either.
And I can take that one to the bank. Even if you never grease my palm...
which I am still hoping for by the way.
#6539 Apr 2, 2013
Better yet, tron.
Tell me why since papas should know these things...
why the first three creeds of the Christian Church DO NOT MENTION that Jesus is God...
not pertinent, they weren't ready, they were off their feed, it was a bad generation or two.
What? Please, this child of Christ really wants to know.
Apparently thee understands what me do not. So enlighten us. Me. Me myself and I (I DO want to be like my God).
#6540 Apr 2, 2013
If you don't confront the issues, tron.
You art the troller.
Oh, you wanted to hear about HH? They believe Jesus is God too.
But they won't post. So it is, just me an' you, tron.
'Cmon now. Don't be a stick in the mud, I mean troll.
Let's hear the lame excuse YOU have for the deity of Christ.
Question of the forum: Is HH a cult? Yeah, and tron, I believe you are too.
Since: Mar 13
#6541 Apr 2, 2013
Proverbs 26:4 – “Do not answer a fool according to his folly, Lest you also be like him.”
#6542 Apr 2, 2013
See, the leaders in HH WILL engage you, at least long enough to try to knock you down in the Spirit, and for you to know where they stand...
since their opinions are cutting edge at least to themselves...
yet they are involved enough to have a position on just about any single thing under the sun. Especially regarding theology and Christianity. And also many other things in life.
Which none else seem to care about, tron. Since you don't seem to care about the things we post about here, or have any opinion about ANYTHING pertinent besides my own attitude, I have to sort of wonder who and what you represent.
You are an enigma, tron. A three-post enigma.
#6543 Apr 2, 2013
Well then just answer the question the forum asks.
See, it didn't come from Baaah. I see you like the Bible.
Tell me where it says Jesus is God. And I will show you the truth.
Since: Mar 13
#6544 Apr 2, 2013
James 1:26 “If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person’s religion is worthless”.
#6545 Apr 2, 2013
Awww, that last was a challenge, and my own track off the beaten path.
Tell us how the ones you loved were abused by HH leaders or minions.
This will make ILTTTT happy at least.
Or tell us how crazy pentecostals are. They do that alot in Waco. Bunch of Baptists.
That's why it isn't common knowledge. That HH is pentecostal.
People might think they are 'floppers'.
Or the kind that like to play dead every time Benny Hinn waves a little finger.
'Flopping' might cause whiplash. That's abuse for sure.
Since: Mar 13
#6546 Apr 2, 2013
Matthew 7:6 "Don't waste what is holy on people who are unholy. Don't throw your pearls to pigs! They will trample the pearls, then turn and attack you.
#6547 Apr 2, 2013
Are we talking about pure gospel now, papa?
NOW you are in my court. NOW we are back to MY subject.
Pure gospel DOES not include the divinity of Christ, no sir.
I have spent countless hours here defending this one concept.
En guard! Defend yourself or slink back to the Tronways hence you came!
See, even then during the Arian/Athanasian debate, at least the common public was involved. Now you just have your own silent opinion, which cannot be expressed since it is a shiny little treasure in your heart??
Express or go back. YOU are the pig and I AM the original real deal. YOU are gentile and I am the Jew.
YOU are the heathen with the heathen view of God. Amen.
And God bless you, heathen.
#6548 Apr 2, 2013
I should have said, "God bless you my son."
Since of course I outpappa'd you to bits.
Pappatron. What a name. Where did you come up with that one? Your head? How fascinating.
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