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#6188 Mar 6, 2013
Why would this be if Jesus is God?
Did you ever ask this of yourself?
#6189 Mar 6, 2013
This MIGHT imply that no sentence under the sun connotes Jesus is God.
Ever consider this?
Compare to later ECF'S who wrote epistles.
Both explicit and plain sentences proliferate.
This is because they were mistaken.
Both nuance and explicit plain language has changed, from the canon to the epistles of men.
#6190 Mar 6, 2013
This is all pretty obvious to Baaah.
He is slow to comprehend but once it gets through he knows it viscerally.
How do I know. Both Shema and the First Command of the Ten tell me this.
Ye shall have no other ELOHIM before ME. ME was the YHWH that the Jews always knew. Otherwise the FIRST command was unknown and not understandable for thousands of years. Easy, wheezy.
But thou superbly scintillating theologians have missed this from Thomas Aquinas to the scholar James White in this day.
Gloss over, fudge, rationalize and avoid. These are the tactics of the unrighteous.
#6191 Mar 6, 2013
And trinitarians can be defeated unequivocably with one simple true statement:
The Holy Spirit has never been prayed to directly in the Bible. Therefore HE cannot be HIS own SELF.
Easy wheezy. Wheez back. I have your shoes. And your Ray Bans too.
Maybe now you can see.
#6192 Mar 6, 2013
What makes the Christian canon canon?
That they were first generation for one thing.
It did not take long for lies to leaven the lump.
Get back to the original lump. That's what Reformation is all about.
No more no less. Lump it up, lumpsters. The Lumpmeister has spoken.
The upper room Baptism was lost very soon after.
Greek thought then took precedence. This is not hard to see, although a generalization and maybe not true exhaustively.
Rationalization was the mechanism of the day.
Rationalize both God and Jesus ONTOLOGICALLY.
Dissect, in other words, qualify and quantify that which cannot be qualified or quantified. Deduction and Inferential equations rule.
1) The Father is God (true)
2) The Son is God (false)
3) The Holy Spirit is God (true, since it is God's spirit)
Therefore the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit is God.
God told us, even commanded us what to believe about Him. That He is One, first of all.
This means One Being. One mind, soul and will.
One INDIVISIBLE Being.
You divided God up into three and then said ironically that all three are holistically one individually. A direct mathematical contradiction but you do not care since this is what you believe.
Oneness Pentecostals do this for the Father and Son. Trinitarians do it for the Three. Somehow the Holy Spirit became MR. Holy Spirit.
If the One does NOT mean One Being, then what could it mean?
And who makes God and Jesus the same Being?
Rationalists? Greek gnostics?
#6193 Mar 6, 2013
What do we stand upon? The fundamentals.
What are the fundamentals? God told us in Torah.
These are what Jesus referred to, to the Samaritan.
21 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.
22 Ye worship ye know not what: WE KNOW WHAT WE WORSHIP, FOR SALVATION IS FROM THE JEWS.
23 But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the FATHER in spirit and in truth: for the FATHER seeketh such to worship him.
24 God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.
What exactly is warped thinking here, Dutchess?
Never heard anything like it before?
You will. The Unitarians upon this earth will show you via the internet just how righteous and fundamental this is.
We are the new Vanguard of the New Reformation.
We have the Truth on our side. The Muslims and the Sikhs and the Chosen Children of God the Jews will all come to understand...
That the Son of God is the Vanguard and Prototype for the Sons of God who are the true Israelites.
He is King of the Jews. Don't forget, he is the King of the JEWS.
So how Jew are you? Are there any slanty eyed Jews?
Baaah is one. Oriental Jews Unite!!
So then what do YOU stand upon? The fundamentals in scripure or what Da Da told you?
Who is "Da Da?" Isn't that what they called Idi Amin?
#6194 Mar 6, 2013
What are the fundamentals?
Hear oh Israel, YHWH our God, YHWH is One.
Love YHWH your God with all of your heart mind and being.
Your soul, in other words. And spirit. And strength.
And thoughts. And the very essence of you.
That was the Great Command, the Shema which Jesus affirmed in Mark 12.
The First Command.
Ye shalt have no other Gods (elohim) before me.
ME was the Hebrew God, YHWH elohim. Always was, always will be for all orthodox Jews.
You want Jews to come to Jesus? Don't BREAK their orthodoxy because this orthodoxy is in fact accurately spoken, that YHWH is One Being.
Salvation is FROM the Jews; we know WHAT we worship.
Red letter words.
Seeing Jesus as God is like walking with your pants down under your butt. I have seen this but I do not attribute it directly to HH members. Especially the women.
Maybe I should.
#6195 Mar 6, 2013
You see, the Word spoken to the Samaritan woman was holistically complete...
because Jesus was holistically the man with the Word.
This is all he chose to say to her. He did not include his divinity, because the gospel does not include his divinity.
You can hope your elders in the faith know more than this, but I tell you now.
The Word spoken then to her was pure dee gospel.
All she needed to know then.
All we need to know now.
WHO wants to add to gospel? WHO adds to every gospel word spoken in the NT?
Your Da Da. Idi Amin and his legions.
#6196 Mar 6, 2013
Who is "Da Da?"
Jews have a word for these.
#6197 Mar 6, 2013
I will tell you the modern intuitive view...
of how Jesus became God, which was not known even by his own until AFTER his resurrection...
not said until Thomas touched him, not said until Paul apparently says things which should clue us into his divinity, such as "in him dwelleth all the fullnes of the Godhead bodily."
Not until the 90's A.D. or so when John comes up with the Incarnation Liturgy:
In the beginning was the Word.
The Word was with God.
The Word was God.
These are supposed to clue us in. Even though Jesus never said he was God and there is actually no hint in Acts in either Peter or Paul's gospels that this Son of God is God the Son.
Somehow they got the rev. And it may have and probably DID come in the modern mind AFTER Jesus was resurrected.
SINCE the Christ did not say he was God. The closest he came was the enigmatic statement: "I and the Father are One."
This one being the Greek neuter compound "hen"
which was rendered the same way the disciples who wrote gospel understood this "one." Not the "eis" of the Shema, no sir.
Let me tell you a secret. John says "Logos" some 21 times in his gospel. And the definition of this word for him was always the same.
The Logos when attributed to YHWH was both plan and manifested will. God SAID and it was done.
In the beginning. En arche.
Genesis said it thirteen times in the beginning.
#6198 Mar 6, 2013
The problems with the modern intuitive view:
1) adds to gospel, as the later fathers added to gospel
2) Jesus had no reason not to let it out when he was alive on earth. The only difference could possibly have been the suffering the Jews experienced during the two persecutions. This would not explain why Jesus did not make it clear previously.
3) God's protocol was to announce Himself as the Only True God. For a different scenario to fit there would have to have been a Bridge of Understanding. Because Shema would apparently contradict is why.
4) Since they were already accusing him of making himself God, in Jn 10, why not just say, "Yes, but can you say why I am NOT?" Or some other retort which both acknowledges his divinity AND gives reason for it.
Jesus does neither.
5) The simple statement "Jesus is the One True God of us" would have been sufficient.
NO ONE EVER says this.
"My Lord and my Elohim?' Not good enough, boys and girls.
#6199 Mar 6, 2013
God incarnate come to earth as man.
Sure sounds good, gnostic, new agey and more.
These words are Latter Day Revelation for sure.
Not in the Bible. But in all of our heads.
For better or worse.
Release the old man, in with the new. "Constant renewal of the mind."
This is the Way. Baaah is still down there with the heathen, level 101. Probably a negative level since he is apostate. But he knows this mechanism and applies it constantly.
Never caught on, now even the things he did not know stumble him.
Yet I stumble in a pothole not the Pit.
This is eternal life, that you know the Only True God, and Jesus Christ whom thou hast sent.
Do you know the Only True God is One Being? This is life eternal. It behooves you to know.
#6200 Mar 6, 2013
"My Lord and my Elohim?' Not good enough, boys and girls.
Why not? Because Elohim does not correspond one-to-one with "God."
There are major differences in translation.'Elohim' has 7 categories of being.
#6201 Mar 6, 2013
What for a Jew would tell them in plain simple language that Jesus is God?
Jesus the One True God of us...
Jesus the YHWH elohim of us...
Jesus the elohim of us...
Jesus and the Father the One True Elohim of us...
Jesus the Only God of us...
Jesus the only God.
Jesus who is the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob.
Jesus and the Father being God...
Jesus is God as well as the Father...
The Father is God as well as Jesus...
The Father and Son and Holy Spirit is God all together.
I am the One True God.
I am the Only One God.
I am the Only true God.
I am the YHWH elohim.
I am the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
I am the One True God of your fathers
I am the Only God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob
....this list can go for miles. And you cherry pick the verses you want to say what you want them to say.
#6202 Mar 6, 2013
So YHWH does not always use plain simple language?
Some things may be more a mystery. The eating of his flesh and drinking of his blood. Spurned many an acolyte.
This 'mystery' however seems to be missing the first two generations. Why now brown cow would this be?
#6203 Mar 6, 2013
The difference is, that now we have two Elohims, both
But not equal. Ye shalt have no other Elohim before me.
Which means, standing next to, equal or over YHWH.
Jesus was legitimately 'elohim' in my mind.
Just not equal or up to or next to or over the Father.
Where does Jesus say he is EQUAL to the Father?
No, that one doesn't say it. Think again.
#6204 Mar 6, 2013
In Paul's formulations, it is almost always GOD then the Lord of us, Jesus.
Said in proper order.
Proper channels of authority. Does HH teach this?
#6205 Mar 6, 2013
However many verses say Jesus is subject to the Father, out of his own mouth.
This for moderns means he is speaking as a man.
I agree. So as a man, he speaks truths which are at best, half-truths?
Who demeans Christ now?
#6206 Mar 6, 2013
Daily the notification comes-someone has responded to topix forum-and daily you spend hours typing away Baah-are you that delusional to really think anyone is reading your ramblings.Your manic-depressive,psychosis is so apparent.There must be a more therapeutic venue for you to explore rather than this forum-keep a journal,write a book,or send yourself an email everyday so the voices in your head can enjoy your craziness---You have issues and baggage and need help more than anyone else on this forum.Really please,look into getting it.
#6207 Mar 6, 2013
Truth be told I am merely working on my Polemic.
Among HHers, Iron sharpens iron. You might be better off by refuting anything I write. At least ILTTTT makes an attempt once in a while.
Look at it this way, look at it that way. Any way you look at it, the mainstream theology is a farce. Jesus is not God. God is not three-in-one. God is not two-in-one. God is One by Shema and the first command of the ten.
These are the starting points of your faith, the first principles of your religion. You can call this manic depressive, maybe in fact YOUR premises of a dichotomous or trichotomous God is depressively manic.
I don't see my message as depressing. The blindness among us is depressing, yes. My message is light and power. Glory and truth.
And accurate fact. Reality. Reality is what it is.
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