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kenton-guy

Kenton, OH

#1 Mar 6, 2010
Anyone aware of Judge Rapp's joke of a program? Making up rules as he goes along? No matter to laws or the Constitution? It is now a FELONY charge for a child who is in the program to have a mobile phone with picture taking abilities. It is now a FELONY charge for an 18 year old ADULT in the program to use tobacco products. Its damn near impossible to get out of the program 0nce your in it. Something needs to be done.
concerned

Kenton, OH

#2 Mar 6, 2010
Its about time! apparently they are also trying to make the kids hand over passwords to email accounts, myspace and facebook. Rapp. needs run out of town..
lost

Decatur, IN

#3 Mar 6, 2010
maybe hes trying to turn these kids into productive adults..something that their parents couldn't or wouldn't do...
ltlftc

Lancaster, OH

#4 Mar 6, 2010
I'm not sure he would do anything not whitin the confines of the law. Is anything he is asking outside his control as judge??
lost

Decatur, IN

#5 Mar 6, 2010
i think he is just trying to make these kids accountable for their own actions..if they can't follow the rules they will lose privelages ..i think alot of todays youth problems are that they are not held accountable and they are even rewarded for bad behavior!!take away those things and let them see what happens when you break the law..
Maddd

Lima, OH

#6 Mar 6, 2010
I have to agree with lost on this. These young teenagers need taught at a young age.
redryder

Dublin, OH

#7 Mar 6, 2010
total control is the agenda. make everyone a felon, bad, bad, people they need controlled and only the elite with all their wisdom has the answers.
Felonies started out as only the worst of the worst crime,now they figured out how much control they can get by putting the "felon" label on them.
lost

Decatur, IN

#8 Mar 6, 2010
redryder wrote:
total control is the agenda. make everyone a felon, bad, bad, people they need controlled and only the elite with all their wisdom has the answers.
Felonies started out as only the worst of the worst crime,now they figured out how much control they can get by putting the "felon" label on them.
not sure I understand what you are saying????
Tobbaco Joe

Kenton, OH

#9 Mar 6, 2010
It IS NOT a felony for an 18 year old to smoke-EVEN if he is in Lifeworks. Get you story straight before you post.
lost

Decatur, IN

#10 Mar 6, 2010
well he/she has obviously done something to get to lifeworks so as i said before that privilage has been taken away(smoking in this case)
live

Zanesville, OH

#11 Mar 6, 2010
Okayy, have any of you people backing up the system had kids in there? I know someone who was put on for UNRULY! Would not of even held up in adult court and they have her is drug court and by far isn't helping her. She is a good girl outside of there will do anything you ask her and these people are making her lose in the head. She's seventeen and works her butt off for anything she gets. These people have no idea what they are doing. I would say, lost, madd, or ltlftc have never been through this. Her mother does a damn good job of raising her however, its not her mother raising her anymore it's this joke Drug Court.
concerned

Kenton, OH

#12 Mar 6, 2010
lost wrote:
well he/she has obviously done something to get to lifeworks so as i said before that privilage has been taken away(smoking in this case)
Smoking, after the age of 18 is not a privilege, its a right.. perhaps not a healthy right, but still a right.. Im not saying that all aspects of the program are bad or that some punishments not deserved, but there has to be a point were the line is drawn.. The children in question are removed from public schools and put on an internet based schooling program. The positive social learning aspect is removed.. The children are enrolled with other kids who are also in trouble, also those on probation are not allowed to socialise with other kids on probation. A positive social learning environment is just as important as an strong academic environment. Both of which lack at lifeworks.
live

Zanesville, OH

#13 Mar 6, 2010
concerned wrote:
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Smoking, after the age of 18 is not a privilege, its a right.. perhaps not a healthy right, but still a right.. Im not saying that all aspects of the program are bad or that some punishments not deserved, but there has to be a point were the line is drawn.. The children in question are removed from public schools and put on an internet based schooling program. The positive social learning aspect is removed.. The children are enrolled with other kids who are also in trouble, also those on probation are not allowed to socialise with other kids on probation. A positive social learning environment is just as important as an strong academic environment. Both of which lack at lifeworks.
You have someone close to you involved in that system, don't you?
scared in kenton

Decatur, IN

#14 Mar 6, 2010
concerned wrote:
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Smoking, after the age of 18 is not a privilege, its a right.. perhaps not a healthy right, but still a right.. Im not saying that all aspects of the program are bad or that some punishments not deserved, but there has to be a point were the line is drawn.. The children in question are removed from public schools and put on an internet based schooling program. The positive social learning aspect is removed.. The children are enrolled with other kids who are also in trouble, also those on probation are not allowed to socialise with other kids on probation. A positive social learning environment is just as important as an strong academic environment. Both of which lack at lifeworks.
i agree to an extent but like i was trying to say when you as an adult do something wrong you lose the RIGHT to certain things as well..and as far as being around other kids i do believe that is essential for any child unless he disrupts class for the other kids..its just sad that parents can't take the control these days nor is it fair that the courts won't let them..I do believe at times that the court can take a good kid who may have had an error in judgement and turn them into bad kids by doling out the wrong kind of punishment
concerned

Kenton, OH

#15 Mar 6, 2010
live wrote:
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You have someone close to you involved in that system, don't you?
Obviously
concerned

Kenton, OH

#16 Mar 6, 2010
Also, Those in the program are not allowed to get their drivers licence. Many of the kids are expected to pay hefty fines and report to community service.. Eliminating independent transportation makes those responsibilities much harder to accomplish. Before you say, They can walk, or the parents can take them, first ask yourself this- Do You walk to work? Or, Do you have a job that would allow you to leave to make sure your child gets where they need to be?
live

Zanesville, OH

#17 Mar 6, 2010
scared in kenton wrote:
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i agree to an extent but like i was trying to say when you as an adult do something wrong you lose the RIGHT to certain things as well..and as far as being around other kids i do believe that is essential for any child unless he disrupts class for the other kids..its just sad that parents can't take the control these days nor is it fair that the courts won't let them..I do believe at times that the court can take a good kid who may have had an error in judgement and turn them into bad kids by doling out the wrong kind of punishment
Thank you, they're are many kids in that system that the court system has honestly created monsters out of. When you look into one of those kids eyes and see just hopelessness looking back at you-you'll really understand. They send kids to jail for sleeping in class or getting mouthy with the staff. I've witnessed the way the staff treat those kids. It's not trying to stabilizing them it's ruining them. Ask half these kids what they want out of life, they'll tell you.."I don't know." They are not allowed to state their opinions or they go to jail. I've heard of a young lady using the phone without asking to call her mom to come up there because they were being difficult and they took her to jail. I wish everyone in this county who looks down upon these kids could really get to know them, and get know their case and compare them before the court system, during and after. Some change for the better, however, majority of them go down hill really quick-and even further. This system needs an eye wakening really quick because we're losing our next generation to a court system that doesn't care about them!
lost

Decatur, IN

#18 Mar 6, 2010
concerned wrote:
Also, Those in the program are not allowed to get their drivers licence. Many of the kids are expected to pay hefty fines and report to community service.. Eliminating independent transportation makes those responsibilities much harder to accomplish. Before you say, They can walk, or the parents can take them, first ask yourself this- Do You walk to work? Or, Do you have a job that would allow you to leave to make sure your child gets where they need to be?
now thats a bit much considering that some may not even live within walking distance
live

Zanesville, OH

#19 Mar 6, 2010
Dear Concerned,
Thank you for this. I advocate for these kids until I'm blue in the face and it doesn't matter. I'm telling you there are young kids in that program I'm willing to bet are more responsible and respectful then half the Hardin County population. There is one young man that I think highly of in the program as for girls half of them deserve to be there but there are two young ladies that I also think highly of.
lost

Decatur, IN

#20 Mar 6, 2010
live wrote:
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Thank you, they're are many kids in that system that the court system has honestly created monsters out of. When you look into one of those kids eyes and see just hopelessness looking back at you-you'll really understand. They send kids to jail for sleeping in class or getting mouthy with the staff. I've witnessed the way the staff treat those kids. It's not trying to stabilizing them it's ruining them. Ask half these kids what they want out of life, they'll tell you.."I don't know." They are not allowed to state their opinions or they go to jail. I've heard of a young lady using the phone without asking to call her mom to come up there because they were being difficult and they took her to jail. I wish everyone in this county who looks down upon these kids could really get to know them, and get know their case and compare them before the court system, during and after. Some change for the better, however, majority of them go down hill really quick-and even further. This system needs an eye wakening really quick because we're losing our next generation to a court system that doesn't care about them!
is there any way the community can get involved? I for one would consider volunteering at such a place..I am a Mother..and do not have perfect children but are all good kids so far..knock on wood..and ?I know kids do things they are not supposed to do..but we can't keep putting them down..kids want attention whether its positive or negative..we as adults need to encourage them not push them back and make them feel worthless.I know if my child was there i would not want them treated badly or unfairly

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