Donations for senior trips likely to end

Donations for senior trips likely to end

There are 36 comments on the The Morning Call story from Jun 10, 2008, titled Donations for senior trips likely to end. In it, The Morning Call reports that:

Lower Macungie Township's tradition of funding more than $20,000 worth of trips for senior citizens appears to be over.

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cjc

Harrisburg, PA

#21 Jun 10, 2008
snowman Bath PA wrote:
As a very senior citizen< although not from LMT, I believe it is MY RESPONSIBILITY to pay for things. Every time any government decides to take your money(taxes) and then give it back to you as a perk it costs at least 25% for them to handle, rehandle, and reissue the money to you. Leave my money alone and just do what you are supposed to do, PROTECT the citizens, and keep the roads and bridges safe. You are not supposed to run fairs, zoos, buslines, or dinner theaters. Reduce my taxes and I will pay for my own ticket to the dinner theater. I have worked all my life and I will pay for my own fun, thank you anyway.
I love you Snowman! I agree if the government keeps their hand out of my pocket I'll pay for my own ticket and keep my dignity, I'm no moocher! I don't mind helping with meals on wheels/meds/ fuel but only for those who need it not those who FEEL they are entitled.
Sound Reasoning

Allentown, PA

#22 Jun 10, 2008
Allentown Taxpayer wrote:
Then you will what it is like to be in a studio apartment day in and day out with no place to go. Watching TV will be your only choice.
Then the extravagances that LMT pays for, would be of no good either.

While they are indeed extravagant, even LMT doesn't send a limo to each seniors' home to pick them up. The seniors have to be able to get to the common bus pickup, on their own.

If they can get to the bus, they are clearly NOT home bound!
Don Schenk

Allentown, PA

#23 Jun 10, 2008
yes wrote:
They should continue to allocate funds to the senior groups. These are people who most likely worked all their lives and should enjoy their golden years.
Too bad they didn't pay enough taxes to pay for the then-current expenses of government back then, or we wouldn't have the massive defecit we do now.
And now "senior citizen's groups" want the government to continue to steal from the working-class taxpayer, to add to the welfare paid out to those who continue to be set for life, while today's working-class taxpayer probably won't see any pension or social Security in his future?
joe poli

West Chester, PA

#24 Jun 10, 2008
Don Schenk,

Please read my post on page one.

lot of the facilities you use today were paid for and built by previous generations (schools, hiughways, dams, sewer systems, etc.
Kate

Bethlehem, PA

#25 Jun 10, 2008
I bet some of these trips are to gamble...well if ya have the money to do that, then pay for the trip yourselves. I don't think trips are a right of some sort...food, clothes, roof over our heads, etc. I can't afford vacation this year...is someone going to pitch in for me? I mean come on...I worked hard all year...please get a life.

Since: May 08

Macungie, PA

#26 Jun 10, 2008
As a senior citizen in LMT I am totally against the funding of recreational trips for senior citizens. There are more appropriate uses for these funds as Sound Reasoning and others have pointed out. As amazed as I was to learn that there was funding for recreational trips for senior citizens, a large group of people, I am even more amazed about the "Chinese Collection" in the LMT library. The taxpayers of LMT already pay to have the largest collection of Chinese DVDs (over 200), CDs, books, periodicals, and newspapers in the state for the 1 or 2 people in the township who speak only Chinese. We don't have "Latino, Indian, French, German, Italian, Russian, etc. collections, and we shouldn't have. People in the United States should be encouraged to learn English. Why do we have such a large "Chinese Collection"?
You-re kidding

Novato, CA

#27 Jun 10, 2008
Thank you sir for your tax contributions to help pay for those things that we "younger folks" use today. They are greatly appreciated. Please keep in mind however, that we ALL pay taxes toward the maintenance and upkeep of those items, usually at an annual price that is higher than it was to build them!!

What saddens me about this conversation is that the senior generation represented has had the opportunity to work hard, provide for their families, save a little nest egg AND enjoy the benefit of Social Security Benefits when eligible. I sir, will not see Social Security although I have paid substantially into it for over 25 years. The baby boomers will deplete that fund before I am eligible, if it even lasts long enough for them! I have no choice but to make sure I have provided for myself and at this rate, my parents (who are now collecting their Social Security Benefits), because my own tax contributions will have long been used by others.

It's going to be quite interesting to see what will take place with the aging population going forward, but I am terrified of the impact it will have on MY retirement!!! Hope someone loves me enough to take me to Longwood Gardens!!! LOL
joe poli wrote:
Don Schenk,
Please read my post on page one.
lot of the facilities you use today were paid for and built by previous generations (schools, hiughways, dams, sewer systems, etc.
Captain Jack

Philadelphia, PA

#28 Jun 10, 2008
The people taking these trips aren't exactly the types who have to choose between buying food and paying for their meds. A good chunk of the wealth in Lower Macungie rests in the hands of senior citizens. There isn't much low income housing in LMT. Homes in the Over 55 developments -- and there are many in LMT -- start in the $300m range. These people don't need to have their trips subsidized. This is just another example of America's Greediest Generation trying to use others to pay for their lifelong party.
ummok

Allentown, PA

#29 Jun 10, 2008
joe poli wrote:
I am a senior and pay for my own vacations. We pay $6,000 dollars a year in property taxes to the county.$600.00 a year to LMT for earned income taxes. We have our own health insurance and spend our money at local businesses.
There are many seniors like us in LMT. We are not freeloaders as some of you imply.
I do not like subsidizing anyone's vacations and am happy it will stop.
Let me ask some of you young folks a question: who subsidizes school lunches, school busesthe LMT pool, parks, schools, etc,? Answer: People like us seniors who pay taxes to LMT.
You have to look at the big picture not just focus on one issue and make blanket statements.
I assume you also received a free education paid for by the taxpayers of that time.
Save the vegetables

Scranton, PA

#30 Jun 10, 2008
Did the schools you attended as a child spontaneously appear out of thin air or did the generations that preceded you pay for them?

You have no point!
joe poli wrote:
Don Schenk,
Please read my post on page one.
lot of the facilities you use today were paid for and built by previous generations (schools, hiughways, dams, sewer systems, etc.
level-headed in Allentown

Reading, PA

#31 Jun 11, 2008
That is just swell - stick it to the seniors - why doesn't someone including Blake Marles be more difinitive rather than saying he "believes" the donations are prohibited. The real issue is that the township has failed to hire a Director of Finance that was advertised in Jan/Feb. I think Richard Kloss would be out of a job if the Dir. of Finance / Twsp Manager is hired and he is doing everything he can to instill delay after delay.

“You call THIS civilization??”

Since: Mar 07

Orefield, PA

#32 Jun 11, 2008
joe poli wrote:
Don Schenk,
Please read my post on page one.
lot of the facilities you use today were paid for and built by previous generations (schools, hiughways, dams, sewer systems, etc.
Of course, some of those were built by government-paid labor through FDR's New Deal programs like the WPA, the Public Works Administration and the Civil Works Adminstration...
well then

Allentown, PA

#33 Jun 11, 2008
Joe Somebody wrote:
<quoted text>It's not LMT's residents' responsibility to pay for a senior citizen to go to a dinner theatre or to a garden. Using taxpayer dollars to pay for these recreational trips is tantamount to a crime. I believe the LMT can support a senior center, but not recreation bus trips. Is LMT gonna donate $20,000 to the Boy or Girl Scouts so they can go on trips?? I Think not. LMT Commisioners need to stop funding these trips but keep supporting the senior center. And as far as people working all their lives and needing to enjoy their golden years, it's not the taxpayers responsibility. People need to wake up and realize the gov't is not supposed to take care of you. YOu better plan better for your retirement. Social Security is not the answer.
So you think a better way to spend you tax money is to support a low life on welfare? I would much rather see a SR enjoy there time than someone taking advantage of the system.

Senoirs have put in their time. I feel bad for them that they have seen what this area has become. It certainly isn't like it was in there days.
cjc

Harrisburg, PA

#34 Jun 12, 2008
well then wrote:
<quoted text>
So you think a better way to spend you tax money is to support a low life on welfare? I would much rather see a SR enjoy there time than someone taking advantage of the system.
Senoirs have put in their time. I feel bad for them that they have seen what this area has become. It certainly isn't like it was in there days.
Well if you feel so bad go to the senior citizen center and pay to sponsor a trip.
Sound Reasoning

Allentown, PA

#35 Jun 12, 2008
Captain Jack wrote:
The people taking these trips aren't exactly the types who have to choose between buying food and paying for their meds. A good chunk of the wealth in Lower Macungie rests in the hands of senior citizens. There isn't much low income housing in LMT. Homes in the Over 55 developments -- and there are many in LMT -- start in the $300m range. These people don't need to have their trips subsidized. This is just another example of America's Greediest Generation trying to use others to pay for their lifelong party.
Good point.

I wonder what percentage of the Sr Citizens who actually go on these LMT trips, are "poor"? I mean, those who don't have any means of their own, to pay for any type of outing? But if not for these tax payers trips, do actually sit home alone, 24/7, because they can't afford to leave their home?

“You call THIS civilization??”

Since: Mar 07

Orefield, PA

#36 Jun 12, 2008
Sound Reasoning wrote:
<quoted text>
Good point.
I wonder what percentage of the Sr Citizens who actually go on these LMT trips, are "poor"? I mean, those who don't have any means of their own, to pay for any type of outing? But if not for these tax payers trips, do actually sit home alone, 24/7, because they can't afford to leave their home?
I can say this because I'm Pa. German:

How was copper wire discovered? They gave a Pa. Dutchman a penny...

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