Woo hoo!!! Go DEMS!!!

[guest]

The Health Care Bill PASSES the HOUSE!!! Woo hoo!!!

[hmm]

guest wrote:

The Health Care Bill PASSES the HOUSE!!! Woo hoo!!!

That's not a good thing.

[Travis]

"We shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end. We shall fight in France, we shall fight on the seas and the oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our island, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender."

Winston Churchill

In short, it ain't a done deal.

[Travis]

[The Pelosi Bill Was Rammed Through on Saturday, But Sunday’s Coming

Yesterday at 11:34pm
We’ve got to hold on to hope, and we’ve got to fight hard because Congressional action tonight just put America on a path toward an unrecognizable country.

The same government leaders that got us into the mortgage business and the car business are now getting us into the health care business.

Despite Americans’ decisive message last Tuesday that they reject the troubling path this country has been taking, Speaker Pelosi has broken her own promises of transparency to ram a health “care” bill through the House of Representatives just before midnight. Why did she push the 2,000 page bill this weekend? Was she perhaps afraid to give her peers and the constituents for whom she works the chance to actually read this monstrous bill carefully, if at all? Was she concerned that Americans might really digest the details of a bill that the Wall Street Journal has called “the worst piece of post-New Deal legislation ever introduced”?

This out-of-control bureaucratic mess will be disastrous for our economy, our small businesses, and our personal liberty. It will slam businesses at a time when we are at double-digit unemployment rates – the highest we’ve seen in a quarter of a century. This massive new bureaucracy will cost us and our children money we don’t have. It will rob Americans of more of our freedom and further hamper the free market.

Make no mistake: we’re on course to have government commandeer one-sixth of our economy. The people who gave us Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac now want to run our health care. Think about that.

All of us who value the sanctity of life are grateful for the success of the pro-life majority in the House this evening in its battle against federal funding of abortion in this bill, but it’s ironic because we were promised that abortion wasn’t covered in the bill to begin with. Our healthy distrust of these government leaders made us look deeper into the bill because unfortunately we knew better than to trust what they were saying. The victory tonight to amend the bill and eliminate that federal funding for abortion was great – because abortion is not health care. Now we can only hope that Rep. Stupak’s amendment will hold in the final bill, though the Democratic leadership has already refused to promise that it won’t be scrapped later.

We had been told there were no “death panels” in the bill either. But look closely at the provision mandating bureaucratic panels that will be calling the shots regarding who will receive government health care.

Look closely at provisions addressing illegal aliens’ health care coverage too.

Those of us who love freedom and believe in open and transparent government can only be dismayed by midnight action on a Saturday. Speaker Pelosi’s promise that Americans would have 72 hours to read the final bill before the vote was just another one of the D.C. establishment’s too-common political ploys. It’s broken promises like this that turn people off to politics and leave them disillusioned about the future of their country.

But despite this late-night maneuvering, many of us were paying close attention tonight. We’ll keep paying close attention. We need to let our legislators in Washington know that they still represent us, and that the majority of Americans are not in favor of the “reform” they are pushing. After all, this is still a country “of the people, by the people, and for the people.” We will make our voices heard. It’s on to the Senate now. Our legislators can listen now, or they can hear us in 2010. It’s their choice.

- Sarah Palin]

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[OMG]

Travis, get over the whole Palin fantasy. She would never even take a second look at you. The skin on your hands and c*ck have to be rubbed off by now. I am shocked that you can still even type, oh sorry, copy and paste.

[OMG]

Hot Line wrote:

I don't think so either especially since the dumbasses who voted for O-Bongo didn't even vote in the governor's elections. The Republicans will finally be back in control of Congress in a little over a year.

Let me guess, you looked into your crystal ball and can see everything that the future holds. Can you tell us if Travis will ever get the girl of his dreams (Palin)? Maybe if he hears it from someone else he will finally give up.

[Basil the Bulgar Slayer]

uhhh.... This isn't a good bill.

Can someone tell me what exactly it will improve?

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Basil the Bulgar Slayer wrote:

uhhh.... This isn't a good bill.
Can someone tell me what exactly it will improve?

It will improve the lives of millions of Americans. Don’t buy into the bs that the Republicans are pushing. The Republicans are just a front for big business. All they care about is money. Not the good of the people and the betterment of society. For the Republicans/Big Business it is just about the money and screw the average Joe to get it.

[guest]

The DEMS finally found their balls, and it was their leader, a woman, who had the biggest balls of them all. Go Nancy!!!

[Basil the Bulgar Slayer]

guest wrote:

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It will improve the lives of millions of Americans. Don’t buy into the bs that the Republicans are pushing. The Republicans are just a front for big business. All they care about is money. Not the good of the people and the betterment of society. For the Republicans/Big Business it is just about the money and screw the average Joe to get it.

How? How will it improve the lives of millions of Americans?

[Basil the Bulgar Slayer]

guest wrote:

The DEMS finally found their balls, and it was their leader, a woman, who had the biggest balls of them all. Go Nancy!!!

The Democrats found their balls draped over the American people while the balls of insurance executives were being juggled in the mouths of Obama, Pelosi, Reid, and other peccant democrats.

[guest]

Basil the Bulgar Slayer wrote:

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How? How will it improve the lives of millions of Americans?

1. Millions of people will get more coverage.

2. Small business will be able to buy better quality coverage at cheaper prices for their employees.

3. People will not be running to the emergency room for non- emergency treatment. Meaning better emergency health care for true emergency patients. As well as less money for the tax paying citizens because everyone knows emergency room care is far more expensive than covering everyone and seeing a regular Doctor in the first place.

4. Options, Options, Options. It is the key. In EVERY business model prices go down lower with the more Options a person has. Example, if you want to buy a bag of sugar, and only 4 companies make that sugar, then the price is going to be high for that sugar. However, if you have more Options, or say 20 more companies making that sugar, then all those companies are competing for your business and you can get that sugar for really cheap. It’s basic economics.

I could go on all day. But I have a feeling you’ve already made up your mind against this bill. The only people that I know of that are against this bill are;

1. the Rich

and

2. what I call the dreamers. The dreamers are the people that the Republican/big business have convinced one day it can happen to you too, you can be Rich too.(this in all likely hood never happens) So you vote with them in the hope that one day when your Rich your money will be made and protected just like theirs. I think your a Dreamer.

[Slick Willie]

Basil the Bulgar Slayer wrote:

uhhh.... This isn't a good bill.
Can someone tell me what exactly it will improve?

A match.

[Basil the Bulgar Slayer]

They only "get more coverage" through "being forced to buy private health insurance" and the premiums for that health insurance have no cost control measures. Moreover, coverage does not equate to or guarantee access to health care.

Why will people stop running to the emergency room?
There's is nothing in the bill that prevents this and the fact that you're even bringing this up as if it is a significant issue in the health care debate means your position is already intellectually bankrupt.

Your ridiculous notions of how the "basic economics" of how the health insurance and pharmaceutical industry work are pathetic at best. You're really trying to break it down to a bunch of hypothetical sugar companies?
How will it help businesses? Why should I give a damn about a business when the employees and the people are still not being provided with, nor have access to adequate health care? Just because your sugar businesses have more options does not mean the people do and options do not equate to health care, etc. Options (i.e. competition) don't mean jack shit in the health care industry. Sorry you're still buying into this notion (it's funny that you actively bash Republicans, but then perpetuate their talking points and rhetoric with this options junk).
The current system and the one being proposed in this bill pretty much guarantee that your options are limited to 'Don't Get Sick,' bankruptcy, or death.

By all means, guest, please go on all day. I'm genuinely curious what's so good about this bill, because everything you've said hasn't amounted to much.

Yes, you are correct. I have made up my mind about the bill. I don't support it, because it will do nothing to help the current health care crisis. It will only enrich insurance executives at the expense of the lives and wealth of the American people. I will only support a health care system that abolishes private for-profit insurance companies, costs the people nothing, and guarantees every person the best possible health care. Yeah... I'm a dreamer. I take my dreams for reality, because I believe in the reality of my dreams.

But whatever... Have fun with your new health care abomination. Hope you don't get sick (seriously).

[Former Republican]

Why do you think that the health care insurance providers have spent millions of dollars fighting against the bill and bribed every republican out there?

Answer: Their profits will go down because the government will offer a cheaper alternative to the outrages prices they are charging.

That sounds like a good thing to me.

AMA, AARP have announced they support health care reform. They actually read the bill and didnt just listen to fox news or some tea bagging blogger.
The health care bill will be a positive thing for senior citizens.

[LOL]

Basil the Bulgar Slayer wrote:

They only "get more coverage" through "being forced to buy private health insurance" and the premiums for that health insurance have no cost control measures. Moreover, coverage does not equate to or guarantee access to health care.
Why will people stop running to the emergency room?
There's is nothing in the bill that prevents this and the fact that you're even bringing this up as if it is a significant issue in the health care debate means your position is already intellectually bankrupt.
Your ridiculous notions of how the "basic economics" of how the health insurance and pharmaceutical industry work are pathetic at best. You're really trying to break it down to a bunch of hypothetical sugar companies?
How will it help businesses? Why should I give a damn about a business when the employees and the people are still not being provided with, nor have access to adequate health care? Just because your sugar businesses have more options does not mean the people do and options do not equate to health care, etc. Options (i.e. competition) don't mean jack shit in the health care industry. Sorry you're still buying into this notion (it's funny that you actively bash Republicans, but then perpetuate their talking points and rhetoric with this options junk).
The current system and the one being proposed in this bill pretty much guarantee that your options are limited to 'Don't Get Sick,' bankruptcy, or death.
By all means, guest, please go on all day. I'm genuinely curious what's so good about this bill, because everything you've said hasn't amounted to much.
Yes, you are correct. I have made up my mind about the bill. I don't support it, because it will do nothing to help the current health care crisis. It will only enrich insurance executives at the expense of the lives and wealth of the American people. I will only support a health care system that abolishes private for-profit insurance companies, costs the people nothing, and guarantees every person the best possible health care. Yeah... I'm a dreamer. I take my dreams for reality, because I believe in the reality of my dreams.
But whatever... Have fun with your new health care abomination. Hope you don't get sick (seriously).

What will it cost the American people? From the article I read, it says that only the people making $500,000.00 a year or more will be taxed. Do you make that much or more? If not, it won't affect you. As far as I am concerned, those people that make that much NEED to pay more taxes anyways instead of getting breaks that these Republicans want to give them. They should be taxed on every damn dollar they make instead of up to a certain amount, just like the rest of us. Hell my family don't even make $50,000.00 a year but we pay taxes on every damn cent we make. Is that fair to us and the others that pay taxes.

[haha]

I am so glad it passed. It will give rush pillhead and the other repubicants something to whine about. They are just mad because they didnt think of it first and dont want the Democrats to have the glory of making history.

[so sad]

haha wrote:

I am so glad it passed. It will give rush pillhead and the other repubicants something to whine about. They are just mad because they didnt think of it first and dont want the Democrats to have the glory of making history.

you are so misguided

[jimbo]

since this is a government run operation i see one of 2 things going on with it.
!. it way fail miserably and that will be accredited to the republicans having no support for it, once again blaming it all on them.
or
2. it will work out, but only because its a government run program and people have no choice but to follow because, lets face it, we are no longer a true democratic nation, we dont really have the rights the constitution grants us. we have the rihgts the big guys at washington want us to have, and we can do nothing about it. what are we going to do, vote in someone new? even if we do, there are still way too many corrupt people out there that are still only after their own agendas and thus nothing will change.

[OLE GUY]

The people in D.C. can't run the post office, Medicare, social security or anything else. How can we expect them to run health care?