Fort Hood suspect charged with 13 counts of murder

[Mykro]

Sunny wrote:

I think this is a complicated situation. Imagine if you lived in Saudia Arabia and you were a Christian, you became a doctor decades ago and were in the military. Then, Christians did terrorist attacks on Saudia Arabia, you are a Christian, you live there, all of a sudden people start being mean to you because you are a Christian, now your military goes to war with Christians, and you are the psychiatrist counseling people coming back from the wars. It's complicated. I usually agree with O'Reily and Beck, but I wish they would stop going on and on about this was a terrorist act. It's horrible people were killed, it is horrible the government didn't do an intervention on this guy, but if you think about living in the Middle East as a Christian in the minority and then all these different things occur, it would make anyone nuts.

I don't think Saudi Arabia is an open enough society to tolerate a christian.

[Sunny]

Mykro wrote:

<quoted text>I don't think Saudi Arabia is an open enough society to tolerate a christian.

Good point.

[Sunny]

cheluzal wrote:

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While a tough, temporarily, situation, you can rest assured I would NOT load a weapon and randomly shoot people.

I agree, there is no excuse for what he did, my god, mass murder. I just think for the talking heads to keep saying Bin Ladin had him do this, it was planned by terrorists, I don't think that is what happened. They say he was very quiet and easy going, I think he cracked up.

[Keri22421]

Carol wrote:

Im so tired of the political system trying so hard to label things in different catagories then just crime. They guy killed people. Thats murder. Thats what he should be charged with. Forget all the political garbage. Both sides seem to have an agenda to complicate things so nothing gets done. 13 counts of murder is a good start.

Wow. I think we finally found something we agree on!
Have a great night, Ms. Carol.

[Keri22421]

Mykro wrote:

<quoted text>So is cornholing alter boys. Your point?

My point was that sometimes I make silly jokes....:)

[When will we learn]

Keri22421 wrote:

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Blah, blah, blah, hate, hate, hate.
Haven't you ever heard of the inquisition?
I have Muslim neighbors that don't rape or kill or torture. The wife makes a mean red pepper humus and the husband is super helpful to anyone in need. My point is that you shouldn't judge a people by its most extreme members.

You are right, but when the most extreme members kills people not just every once in a while, but everyday...something has to be done. Please look at the top stories in topix headlines today..there is another story of radical muslims that killed.

[cheluzal]

Captain O wrote:

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We should be careful with accusations, Cheluzal. We don't really know whether Major Hasan really was the shooter, so he needs to be considered innocent unless PROVEN guilty.

I don't recall mentioning a name or accusing any person of anything, just stating from the facts what I would NOT do...you should be careful with reading comprehension...did the bullets shoot themselves?
No...someone shot them, plain and simple.

[Captain O]

cheluzal wrote:

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I don't recall mentioning a name or accusing any person of anything, just stating from the facts what I would NOT do...you should be careful with reading comprehension...did the bullets shoot themselves?
No...someone shot them, plain and simple.

As I already mentioned above, we don't really know whether it was Major Hasan who is guilty, therefore we must first investigate who actually started the shooting.

[Keri22421]

When will we learn wrote:

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You are right, but when the most extreme members kills people not just every once in a while, but everyday...something has to be done. Please look at the top stories in topix headlines today..there is another story of radical muslims that killed.

Nothing I read will make me condemn them all for the actions of a few. Some women get abortions. Would you condemn all women?

[Arise Chicago Poet]

Captain O wrote:

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We should be careful with accusations, Cheluzal. We don't really know whether Major Hasan really was the shooter, so he needs to be considered innocent unless PROVEN guilty.

Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999

THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY:

These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.

First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.

(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.

(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.

(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.

(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

[Arise Chicago Poet]

Captain O wrote:

<quoted text>
As I already mentioned above, we don't really know whether it was Major Hasan who is guilty, therefore we must first investigate who actually started the shooting.

Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999

THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY:

These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.

First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.

(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.

(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.

(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.

(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.

(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

[hilllbilly]

Arise Chicago Poet wrote:

<quoted text>
Taken in part from MW -- By Caroline Konrad -- September 1999
THE MALIGNANT PERSONALITY:
These people are mentally ill and extremely dangerous! The following precautions will help to protect you from the destructive acts of which they are capable.
First, to recognize them, keep the following guidelines in mind.
(1) They are habitual liars. They seem incapable of either knowing or telling the truth about anything.
(2) They are egotistical to the point of narcissism. They really believe they are set apart from the rest of humanity by some special grace.
(3) They scapegoat; they are incapable of either having the insight or willingness to accept responsibility for anything they do. Whatever the problem, it is always someone else's fault.
(4) They are remorselessly vindictive when thwarted or exposed.
(5) Genuine religious, moral, or other values play no part in their lives. They have no empathy for others and are capable of violence. Under older psychological terminology, they fall into the category of psychopath or sociopath, but unlike the typical psychopath, their behavior is masked by a superficial social facade.

Huh? Sounds like most of the administrations we have had since Nixon. lol
Mainey the last one and current one.........
Bummer,

[Mykro]

Keri22421 wrote:

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Nothing I read will make me condemn them all for the actions of a few. Some women get abortions. Would you condemn all women?

What is it with you people? This is not anti-abortion thread. Go there if you want. Try to remember, this is about FT Hood and Hasan.And try your best not to condemn any woman for her choice.

[When will we learn]

Keri22421 wrote:

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Nothing I read will make me condemn them all for the actions of a few. Some women get abortions. Would you condemn all women?

NO, that would make sense.

Only those that murder their own child.
Unfortunately it is not against the law until the child is out of the womb. Even the partial birth abortions where half of the child can be delivered - the 'doctors' can still can kill it while the head is still in the mother so you don't have to hear the scream.

I can see you feel good and are just fine with the shootings, bombings, rapes, forced marriages and rape of underage 'brides' etc. in the name of Islam as long as they are not condemned.

Oh, by the way....just 20 more killed ..just some kids, a Christian boy, some women etc. by the religion of peace since we last spoke...no worries.

Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace

"He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah's cause"
Muhammad, prophet of Islam

2009.11.14 (Narathiwat, Thailand)- Two men are murdered by Muslim gunmen at a wood processing plant.

2009.11.14 (Peshawar, Pakistan)- Four children and a woman are among ten blown to bits by a sucide bomber.

2009.11.13 (Mosul, Iraq)- A 16-year-old Christian boy is gunned down outside his home by suspected radicals.

2009.11.13 (Yala, Thailand)- An 18-year-old is shot to death in a Religion of Peace drive-by attack.

2009.11.13 (Kabul, Afghanistan)- Two civilians and three soldiers are killed in separate roadside bombings by religious fundamentalists.

2009.11.13 (Mosul, Iraq)- A young man is kidnapped and shot in the head by terrorists.

[hilllbilly]

When will we learn wrote:

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NO, that would make sense.
Only those that murder their own child.
Unfortunately it is not against the law until the child is out of the womb. Even the partial birth abortions where half of the child can be delivered - the 'doctors' can still can kill it while the head is still in the mother so you don't have to hear the scream.
I can see you feel good and are just fine with the shootings, bombings, rapes, forced marriages and rape of underage 'brides' etc. in the name of Islam as long as they are not condemned.
Oh, by the way....just 20 more killed ..just some kids, a Christian boy, some women etc. by the religion of peace since we last spoke...no worries.
Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace
"He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah's cause"
Muhammad, prophet of Islam
2009.11.14 (Narathiwat, Thailand)- Two men are murdered by Muslim gunmen at a wood processing plant.
2009.11.14 (Peshawar, Pakistan)- Four children and a woman are among ten blown to bits by a sucide bomber.
2009.11.13 (Mosul, Iraq)- A 16-year-old Christian boy is gunned down outside his home by suspected radicals.
2009.11.13 (Yala, Thailand)- An 18-year-old is shot to death in a Religion of Peace drive-by attack.
2009.11.13 (Kabul, Afghanistan)- Two civilians and three soldiers are killed in separate roadside bombings by religious fundamentalists.
2009.11.13 (Mosul, Iraq)- A young man is kidnapped and shot in the head by terrorists.

Thanks for your diligence......
I also hope you understand that the people of the Left, will never look at history or facts. The Left judges itself by intentions and not by outcomes or reason. The Left needs self proclamied victims, a coruption of social norms and false leaders to survive.
The fact that political correctness and diversity has trumpted logical profiling, shows that TV watchers, government cheese eaters and trust fund baies are the new voting majority.
Bush kissed the arse of the Jesus freaks and Obama is licking the boots of the Allah freaks, while we all are being distracted by the polarization effects of false rhetoric and the blankin' TV.
- excuse the above rant, to muddy to garden and not enough snow to ski, has left me with some idle time this day.
enjoy,

[When will we learn]

Sunny wrote:

I think this is a complicated situation. Imagine if you lived in Saudia Arabia and you were a Christian, you became a doctor decades ago and were in the military. Then, Christians did terrorist attacks on Saudia Arabia, you are a Christian, you live there, all of a sudden people start being mean to you because you are a Christian, now your military goes to war with Christians, and you are the psychiatrist counseling people coming back from the wars. It's complicated. I usually agree with O'Reily and Beck, but I wish they would stop going on and on about this was a terrorist act. It's horrible people were killed, it is horrible the government didn't do an intervention on this guy, but if you think about living in the Middle East as a Christian in the minority and then all these different things occur, it would make anyone nuts.

What you did not account for in your analogy is you make it sound like an isolated incident.

If I was a Christian in Saudia Arabia and Christians have been committing atrocities for centuries and in the past ten years committed attacks on the capital city of Saudia Arabia and also attacked the largest city 'in the name of Christ' Then Christians worldwide were dancing in streets in joy about the attacks. Then you find out Christian churches in Arabia are laundering money to fund more attacks and radicalism...then a Christian with a doctor's degree and rank of major infiltrates the army and murders thirteen unarmed service men and women...one that was pregnant by the way....along with daily attacks worldwide by Christians, killing an average of over 20 per day....alot of times children and women - please see www.religionofpeace.com .

THEN I would not be surprised if people started suspecting me and being mean to me.

[Sunny]

When will we learn wrote:

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What you did not account for in your analogy is you make it sound like an isolated incident.
If I was a Christian in Saudia Arabia and Christians have been committing atrocities for centuries and in the past ten years committed attacks on the capital city of Saudia Arabia and also attacked the largest city 'in the name of Christ' Then Christians worldwide were dancing in streets in joy about the attacks. Then you find out Christian churches in Arabia are laundering money to fund more attacks and radicalism...then a Christian with a doctor's degree and rank of major infiltrates the army and murders thirteen unarmed service men and women...one that was pregnant by the way....along with daily attacks worldwide by Christians, killing an average of over 20 per day....alot of times children and women - please see www.religionofpeace.com .
THEN I would not be surprised if people started suspecting me and being mean to me.

You're right about that. And, he should have quit his job or went for counseling, he should have told someone he was confused or whatever was going on, instead of murdering and injuring people.

[Keri22421]

Mykro wrote:

<quoted text>What is it with you people? This is not anti-abortion thread. Go there if you want. Try to remember, this is about FT Hood and Hasan.And try your best not to condemn any woman for her choice.

I was trying to get him to see the folly of condemning all for the actions of a few. You are very high strung. Deep breathing...it helps.

[Keri22421]

When will we learn wrote:

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NO, that would make sense.
Only those that murder their own child.
Unfortunately it is not against the law until the child is out of the womb. Even the partial birth abortions where half of the child can be delivered - the 'doctors' can still can kill it while the head is still in the mother so you don't have to hear the scream.
I can see you feel good and are just fine with the shootings, bombings, rapes, forced marriages and rape of underage 'brides' etc. in the name of Islam as long as they are not condemned.
Oh, by the way....just 20 more killed ..just some kids, a Christian boy, some women etc. by the religion of peace since we last spoke...no worries.
Latest Offerings from the Religion of Peace
"He who fights that Islam should be superior fights in Allah's cause"
Muhammad, prophet of Islam
2009.11.14 (Narathiwat, Thailand)- Two men are murdered by Muslim gunmen at a wood processing plant.
2009.11.14 (Peshawar, Pakistan)- Four children and a woman are among ten blown to bits by a sucide bomber.
2009.11.13 (Mosul, Iraq)- A 16-year-old Christian boy is gunned down outside his home by suspected radicals.
2009.11.13 (Yala, Thailand)- An 18-year-old is shot to death in a Religion of Peace drive-by attack.
2009.11.13 (Kabul, Afghanistan)- Two civilians and three soldiers are killed in separate roadside bombings by religious fundamentalists.
2009.11.13 (Mosul, Iraq)- A young man is kidnapped and shot in the head by terrorists.

And I can see that nothing I say will help you understand my point of view. Have a nice day.

[When will we learn]

Keri22421 wrote:

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And I can see that nothing I say will help you understand my point of view. Have a nice day.

You obviously have a good heart and do not want to judge or condemn. I admire that in you. It is far better than a heart filled with hatred.
I am just concerned about the potential threat radical Muslims are to this great nation you and I are free to debate in. I am shocked at the barbism displayed on the world stage, all the attacks against the West in the past including 9/11, finding out that mosques are laundering money to support terror campaigns and now this shooting on a US Army base.
I wish the best for you and that cute little child in the picture! Good day to you too!