Reason, out for the season

Reason, out for the season

There are 59 comments on the Lake County Record-Bee story from Dec 4, 2010, titled Reason, out for the season. In it, Lake County Record-Bee reports that:

Al Duncan, head shaking at best. Before Jesus, Egyptians brought green date palm leaves into their homes during winter solstice to symbolize the trinity's, Osiris, Isis, and Horus, triumph over death.

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Tim Snider

Clearlake, CA

#1 Dec 4, 2010
Reason, out for the season, By Greg Blinn perfectly expressed the reply I would give to Al Duncans latest letter fostering ignorance & superstitious ( I believe it because it makes me feel good) nonsense.
We all choose what to believe.
What could be of more profound importance than whether Christianity ( or any religion) is true?
If true, it has eternal consequences.(Just imagine!)
If not true, each person must decide for themselves how this mortal life is to be spent. Life would be valued higher because it’s the only one we have.
If you believe in Christianity, this life is a short stage before the most important stage, eternal life. One would be better off spending this short mortal existence even in suffering, if it promised eternal life!
If you don’t believe in religion, THIS life is treasured. The few precious years are valued to the fullest.
To me this is the most important aspect of this religion/no religion question. The decision determines the way life is valued & lived in a really everyday sense.
I hold this life to be infinitely precious & short. I will live it guided by truth & reality, without illusion.

True meaning

Waterloo, IA

#2 Dec 4, 2010
Heartwarming beautiful story. Exactly what the true meaning of XMas should be. Giving from the heart and soul. Thanks for sharing this lovely story.

Since: Dec 10

Clearlake Oaks, California

#3 Dec 4, 2010
Tim Snider wrote:
Reason, out for the season, By Greg Blinn perfectly expressed the reply I would give to Al Duncans latest letter fostering ignorance & superstitious ( I believe it because it makes me feel good) nonsense.
We all choose what to believe.
What could be of more profound importance than whether Christianity ( or any religion) is true?
If true, it has eternal consequences.(Just imagine!)
If not true, each person must decide for themselves how this mortal life is to be spent. Life would be valued higher because it’s the only one we have.
If you believe in Christianity, this life is a short stage before the most important stage, eternal life. One would be better off spending this short mortal existence even in suffering, if it promised eternal life!
If you don’t believe in religion, THIS life is treasured. The few precious years are valued to the fullest.
To me this is the most important aspect of this religion/no religion question. The decision determines the way life is valued & lived in a really everyday sense.
I hold this life to be infinitely precious & short. I will live it guided by truth & reality, without illusion.
Nicely stated, thanks.

“open head, open heart”

Since: Apr 09

that's how the light gets in

#4 Dec 5, 2010
Jim T Hall wrote:
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Nicely stated, thanks.
You were called 'Ebenezer' & a troll on another thread (that thread is gone ???).

nomotrolls wrote:
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<<<WARNING>> >
Don't feed this troll!
Jim T Hall wrote:
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I guess this means your taking your ball and going home. LOL
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You seem like you want the truth & objective reality.
The other poster seems to accept the comforting illusion of the silent invisible deity.
I have been a seeker of truth & reality my whole life (I'm in the 6th decade). I do my best to be objective & keep an open mind. My headline is: Open head, open heart. That's how the light gets in. You seem to be a kindred spirit.
Thank you for your intelligent rational posts.
Tim Snider
Zoroastrian faith

San Pablo, CA

#5 Dec 5, 2010
Christians who seek actual Christianity should study Zoroastrianism. Know well my christian friends that the devil cannot create. The devil can only take something that is not his and pervert it and make it his own. This is what has befallen Zoroastrian faith.
Did you know that the story of Issac in the bible is a bastardized rendition of the story of Lykaon? http://www.theoi.com/Heros/Lykaon.html
This is also where the story of the werewolf comes from.
fog

Valdosta, GA

#6 Dec 5, 2010
I have lived in a Christian community, I now live here in Lake County, the two area's are strickingly different.
We have four was in and four ways out, we can make this a remarkable county. We have it all, all we have to do is polish the diamond we live in.
The midwest, for the most part, is very much like the community I left to make my home in Lake County.
In the Christian community, there was brotherhood, a boosting if you will of your fellow man. A willingness to share and no judgements, simply put, a very sincere love and bolstering of your fellow man.
It was, that our children had a much longer leash. Much more freedom with very little worry. They needed to "check in" but there was never a fear that they were in danger. There were "rare" incidents where we were disappointed in anyone. It was a dry town, a distinction that few towns have. Christmas music, church bells, and a lot of joy. This time of the year was special. GOD BLESS each and everyone of you now and in the coming new year.
The Kelseyville light parade brought me back to the joy we shared in our little Christian town. We enjoyed the cheer and spirit of the season. Where else can you have such a good time. Simple and amazing. Thank you to all those who made it possible.
fog

Valdosta, GA

#7 Dec 5, 2010
oops four ways in and four ways out. Sorry for the error
lakeguy

Clearlake, CA

#8 Dec 5, 2010
LOL. Thank you.
Just A Jet Ski

Lucerne, CA

#9 Dec 5, 2010
Life is good. Today I had a good number of my family over for a special gathering and now that the day is ending I find myself counting my blessings. I believe what I believe and in this life that we all are living together, our hearts can be filled with joy and love if we believe. God Bless each and every one of you. For those of you who disagree with me, God Bless you too and its okay if we disagree because we have only one life to live as we choose.
PEACE ON EARTH

Clearlake, CA

#10 Dec 6, 2010
Tim Snider wrote:
Reason, out for the season, By Greg Blinn perfectly expressed the reply I would give to Al Duncans latest letter fostering ignorance & superstitious ( I believe it because it makes me feel good) nonsense.
We all choose what to believe.
What could be of more profound importance than whether Christianity ( or any religion) is true?
If true, it has eternal consequences.(Just imagine!)
If not true, each person must decide for themselves how this mortal life is to be spent. Life would be valued higher because it’s the only one we have.
If you believe in Christianity, this life is a short stage before the most important stage, eternal life. One would be better off spending this short mortal existence even in suffering, if it promised eternal life!
If you don’t believe in religion, THIS life is treasured. The few precious years are valued to the fullest.
To me this is the most important aspect of this religion/no religion question. The decision determines the way life is valued & lived in a really everyday sense.
I hold this life to be infinitely precious & short. I will live it guided by truth & reality, without illusion.
It is YOUR opinion that Al Duncans latest letter is fostering ignorance, superstition, and is nonsense. It is NOT a fact. We all choose what we want to believe, and over 80% of the world population choses to believe in Christianity. I respect your opinion but it is disrespectful to call others beliefs, nonsense, ignorance, and superstitious! It may make you feel good but what you are doing is not making others feel good.

Whether you feel Christianity is true or not , what is of profound importance is what Christianity teaches us, and it is these teachings that give us a moral foundation to follow. And it is not in the teaching of Christianity to belittle others beliefs. Your comments do have eternal consequences, and I pray you come to this realization.

If one does not believe that the teachings of Christianity are true, we all hope such persons will not decide for themselves to spend the rest of their mortal life chastising others for their beliefs. This is the only life you AND Christians have, it is not less valued because you believe in Christianity or an after life in heaven!

Why would one expect Christians to spend their lives "suffering" because they believe in eternal life after death? Life is treasured and valued to the fullest by you AND Christians alike.

You are correct, a decision to believe in and live a life as a Christian or not determines the way life is valued & lived in an everyday sense. We too hold this life to be infinitely precious & short. We too live guided by compassion and understanding for all of human kind.

If you want to call Christians ignorant who believe in superstitious nonsense you go right ahead it's your opinion and nothing more. My beliefs have at least taught me not to condemn, belittle, and reticule others. That I am grateful for. Christianity has given me an inner peace that is not full of hate and unhappiness.

So Billions of Christians "superstitions nonsense" is serving them just fine! Your reality does not seem to be doing you any service. Hope you can come to terms with the fact that this planet is full of all kinds of human beings with all kinds of beliefs and leave your anger and unhappiness behind!

"Peace on Earth"
Lowell Grant

United States

#11 Dec 6, 2010
80% of the world's population is Christian? LOL! Facts below...

Refer to information below. Source: www.adherents.com

1.Christianity: 2.1 billion
2.Islam: 1.5 billion
3.Secular/Nonreligious/Agnosti c/Atheist: 1.1 billion
4.Hinduism: 900 million
5.Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
6.Buddhism: 376 million
7.primal-indigenous: 300 million
8.African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
9.Sikhism: 23 million
10.Juche: 19 million
11.Spiritism: 15 million
12.Judaism: 14 million
13.Bahai: 7 million
14.Jainism: 4.2 million
15.Shinto: 4 million
16.Cao Dai: 4 million
17.Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
18.Tenrikyo: 2 million
19.Neo-Paganism: 1 million
20.Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
21.Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
22.Scientology: 500 thousand
Grow and learn

Clearlake, CA

#12 Dec 6, 2010
Lowell Grant wrote:
80% of the world's population is Christian? LOL! Facts below...
Refer to information below. Source: www.adherents.com
1.Christianity: 2.1 billion
2.Islam: 1.5 billion
3.Secular/Nonreligious/Agnosti c/Atheist: 1.1 billion
4.Hinduism: 900 million
5.Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
6.Buddhism: 376 million
7.primal-indigenous: 300 million
8.African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
9.Sikhism: 23 million
10.Juche: 19 million
11.Spiritism: 15 million
12.Judaism: 14 million
13.Bahai: 7 million
14.Jainism: 4.2 million
15.Shinto: 4 million
16.Cao Dai: 4 million
17.Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
18.Tenrikyo: 2 million
19.Neo-Paganism: 1 million
20.Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
21.Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
22.Scientology: 500 thousand
Correct! I meant to say in the US, it is around 80%, I have seen figures from 75% to over 85%. Your website still shows Christianity as the largest religious belief in the world at 33%. Next is Islam 21%, they too have a similar belief in one God as does the Jewish religion .22%. Slice it any what ever way you want the largest population in America and the world believe in God!

And that was not the point of my response. It was to address the bloggers intolerance and name calling of those who do not believe what he does. But thank's for clearing up the minor details!

Wasn't it one of you fella's who went on and on about how these numbers are totally unsubstantiated any way because there has never been any kind of door to door survey done on individuals religious beliefs, and people are pressured to answer a religion they don't believe in?

I accept you, you accept me, we have our own beliefs, the point was let's just respect each others differences without all the hate and anger. Simple!

Calling others beliefs idiotic or stupid does not draw support for ones own beliefs, all it does is shut doors to people listening to you and the chance for you to grow and learn.
Lowell Grant

United States

#13 Dec 6, 2010
Couldn't agree more Grow & Learn! It's when one bunch, no matter how big or small, demands that only THEY "know" "THE truth" that trouble starts. As I've said over and over, having strong beliefs can be a wonderful thing that brings you the confidence to go forward in life. The trouble starts when you confuse belief with KNOWING, which no one does. Maybe we find out at a later station in life, maybe not, but not one person living today KNOWS.

For instance, the Ayatollahs KNOW that Mohammed and the Koran are the ONLY truth. So does the Pope. So does the minister preaching hatred of all others. The one thing that binds them together is they are all full of sheet.

Since: Dec 10

Clearlake Oaks, California

#14 Dec 6, 2010
The power of honest, fact based truth, will have its effect, as the internet brings the world population closer and closer. This will be true in so many areas of life in general. It is exciting to all the changes that will come from this, as folks around the world, will learn from others. As the old saying goes, the cat is out of the bag, and more and more folks will get to see the elephant.

Since: Dec 10

Clearlake Oaks, California

#16 Dec 6, 2010
lucerne haybag wrote:
Truth is that Grunt is as bald as a cue ball and he drinks too much Rogaine. Like Jim, they are a couple of pseudo intellectual fry brains. Don't forget Grunt is a "radio personality" with a cheesy program on a cheesy station.
Grants worth to Lake County is intelligent, positive and needed. Your worthlessness is just that.
Raunchy Haybag

Waterloo, IA

#17 Dec 6, 2010
lucerne haybag wrote:
Truth is that Grunt is as bald as a cue ball and he drinks too much Rogaine. Like Jim, they are a couple of pseudo intellectual fry brains. Don't forget Grunt is a "radio personality" with a cheesy program on a cheesy station.
Classic case of jealousy! Did you get fired? Why? Mr. Grant brings real issues to the forefront, as does Mr. Hall.

WHAT do you bring to the table ??? NOTHING.
WHAT solutions do you offer ??? NONE
Go back under that rock that you slithered out from.
Know the truth

Clearlake, CA

#19 Dec 6, 2010
Lowell Grant wrote:
Couldn't agree more Grow & Learn! It's when one bunch, no matter how big or small, demands that only THEY "know" "THE truth" that trouble starts. As I've said over and over, having strong beliefs can be a wonderful thing that brings you the confidence to go forward in life. The trouble starts when you confuse belief with KNOWING, which no one does. Maybe we find out at a later station in life, maybe not, but not one person living today KNOWS.
For instance, the Ayatollahs KNOW that Mohammed and the Koran are the ONLY truth. So does the Pope. So does the minister preaching hatred of all others. The one thing that binds them together is they are all full of sheet.
You haven't learned a thing. No one has demanded that "THEY KNOW THE TRUTH"! The trouble still is the belief that you are all knowing and those who believe in God are not. To put every Christian and all religions who believe in God in a catagory of being full of "SHEET" because you "KNOW" their beliefs to be lacking the facts you need does not make them true or without merit.

You can call others full of "SHEET", our religion helps us choose to learn to get along with others and accept their beliefs. If I am not "KNOWING" then thank God I am! I know enough to not call others full of "SHEET" in an adult conversation. Hope you can find some inner peace and tolerance for others around you. Merry Christmas!

Kindness and tolerance!
Provocateur

San Francisco, CA

#20 Dec 6, 2010
Quit your whining
derrrr

Clearlake, CA

#21 Dec 7, 2010
Well this has been a very interesting thread, but you guy do realize your arguing about a religion based on a man WHO DID NOT EVEN EXIST? right?
Geez

United States

#22 Dec 7, 2010
derrrr wrote:
Well this has been a very interesting thread, but you guy do realize your arguing about a religion based on a man WHO DID NOT EVEN EXIST? right?
Ok, put the bottle down and go to bed. When you wake up, call AA and find out where the closest meetings are held where you live.

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