President Obama Raising Minimum Wage
Reason

Murray, KY

#22 Mar 31, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
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There's plenty of room for incentive....work toward $10/hr.! And no, marketplace competition doesn't suffer. Corporate America is slaving people as we speak and it hasn't created any better marketplace nor reduction in prices nor job creation....has it? There's little desperate times for big Corporate America. They just make you think that. After your last reduction in pay, if you work for a Fortune 500 company, check their quarterly reports and you'll see how much profit they made. As for me, I get tired of them complaining about a minimum wage, then read they've earned their biggest profits in history. Get a wakekup call and stop letting businesses feed you a line.
You don't seem to understand. Corporations want the minimum wage, the dissent is just for show.
fairness

Morehead, KY

#23 Mar 31, 2013
Reef shark wrote:
<quoted text>That's not Equality,that's Socialism.
What's it called when you redistribute the pay of workers to the rest of the people?
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#24 Apr 1, 2013
fairness wrote:
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What's it called when you redistribute the pay of workers to the rest of the people?
Now that's a fair statement. Most don't want to talk about that. And herein lies the problem. The workers have been contributing and distributing to the top for ages. That's what needs to stop. The top never suffers period. If they have to pay another 50 cents, they pass it to the consumer. We surely wouldn't want them to ever part with any of their massive portfolio now would we?
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#25 Apr 1, 2013
Reason wrote:
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You don't seem to understand. Corporations want the minimum wage, the dissent is just for show.
I don't agree with that. If they didn't care about minimum wage, then Bush wouldn't have summonsed 12,000 illegals per month and called it "working visa program". If Corporations wanted the minimum wage, they'd stop outsourcing. Minimum wage is disgusting anyway. A fair wage should be paid and people who have to work for it, shouldn't have to beg. They WORK for it. If we didn't have some sort of regulation in place, trust me, they'd be paying China wages as they are attempting to do as we speak.
well

London, KY

#26 Apr 1, 2013
whut wrote:
<quoted text>so what you want to do is hire some idiot off the street to drop things and to destroy things and to draw the same pay?
this is lunicy.
From my point of view we have already done that look at our President and again how is that working out.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#27 Apr 1, 2013
well wrote:
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From my point of view we have already done that look at our President and again how is that working out.
Very well. You're getting some of what you didn't want. That....is an accomplishment. Life is good ! Tell us again. Why was it GW created the perfect storm? Why is it GW gave your team the biggest taxcut in history to do...what with? Uh...welcome to 20% plus 3.8%. My heart bleeds fer ya.
Murray

Louisville, KY

#28 Apr 2, 2013
In truth, there is only one way to regard a minimum wage law: it is compulsory unemployment, period. The law says: it is illegal, and therefore criminal, for anyone to hire anyone else below the level of X dollars an hour. This means, plainly and simply, that a large number of free and voluntary wage contracts are now outlawed and hence that there will be a large amount of unemployment. Remember that the minimum wage law provides no jobs; it only outlaws them; and outlawed jobs are the inevitable result.

Speakup

Eustis, FL

#29 Apr 2, 2013
Murray wrote:
In truth, there is only one way to regard a minimum wage law: it is compulsory unemployment, period. The law says: it is illegal, and therefore criminal, for anyone to hire anyone else below the level of X dollars an hour. This means, plainly and simply, that a large number of free and voluntary wage contracts are now outlawed and hence that there will be a large amount of unemployment. Remember that the minimum wage law provides no jobs; it only outlaws them; and outlawed jobs are the inevitable result.
Goodness, straight from a text book. When you wake up and start actually breathing oxygen here in the real world, maybe then we can discuss this intelligently. Where have you ever seen any "free and voluntary" wage contracts?

Listen up school boy. This is America. Your Corporate America charges American prices. However, your Corporate America doesn't pay American wages. Minimum wage doesn't stifle jobs at all. What we need to stifle is, how much is going to the top. Now there's where can talk some turkey. By bringing the minumum wage up, we can bring more down from the top and subsequently since the working person ARE the ones that support the economy, it is then your corporate america can fair better. If workers have little to no money to spend, then what happens to your Corporate America's desire for consumers?

Why don't you go prey on all these hard working people or the man who has to go home at night and tell his wife they have to move their children out of their home because he just can't earn enough to pay the mortgage on it anymore because a Bill Gates just told him he had to take a pay cut to keep his job. Please...don't cry on my shoulders. I know corporate america inside and out and there's little you're ever going to say to me that will change my mind whatsoever given what I do know.
Murray

Louisville, KY

#30 Apr 3, 2013
Speakup wrote:
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Goodness, straight from a text book. When you wake up and start actually breathing oxygen here in the real world, maybe then we can discuss this intelligently. Where have you ever seen any "free and voluntary" wage contracts?
Listen up school boy. This is America. Your Corporate America charges American prices. However, your Corporate America doesn't pay American wages. Minimum wage doesn't stifle jobs at all. What we need to stifle is, how much is going to the top. Now there's where can talk some turkey. By bringing the minumum wage up, we can bring more down from the top and subsequently since the working person ARE the ones that support the economy, it is then your corporate america can fair better. If workers have little to no money to spend, then what happens to your Corporate America's desire for consumers?
Why don't you go prey on all these hard working people or the man who has to go home at night and tell his wife they have to move their children out of their home because he just can't earn enough to pay the mortgage on it anymore because a Bill Gates just told him he had to take a pay cut to keep his job. Please...don't cry on my shoulders. I know corporate america inside and out and there's little you're ever going to say to me that will change my mind whatsoever given what I do know.
I know there is nothing to change your mind about this issue. You are applying an emotional appeal to a situation that does not change the reality that increasing minimum wages prices low skilled, mostly teenagers, particularly black teens out of a job. You can complain all you want about corporate profits being high enough to warrant paying higher wages that you mandated by government edict but until you are able to figure out how to change the demand curve for labor and have it not apply to the minimum wage you are just whistling dixie.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#31 Apr 3, 2013
Murray wrote:
<quoted text>I know there is nothing to change your mind about this issue. You are applying an emotional appeal to a situation that does not change the reality that increasing minimum wages prices low skilled, mostly teenagers, particularly black teens out of a job. You can complain all you want about corporate profits being high enough to warrant paying higher wages that you mandated by government edict but until you are able to figure out how to change the demand curve for labor and have it not apply to the minimum wage you are just whistling dixie.
Firstly, I'm not a Nancy Grace and don't apply emotion. Right now in this economy, I'm not concerned about teens. If you got a teenager, take care of that teenager. That's a parent's job, not the job markets. I might also add that I don't believe it's a teen's job you're concerned about. What I do believe is, it might abolish more cheap labor for corporate America and for that, my heart bleeds. I don't know that slopping heart attacks burgers at McD's could ever ready a young person for their future anyway.

What I might be whistling dixie for is, waiting on the Gates of this nation to get the taffy out of their platinum pockets and if they aren't ready for that, then possibly they need dethroned and let small business take back over America that they spend decades slaughtering.

I'll assume your mind will never change, so I guess you won't find it hard accepting mine won't likewise? Got that theme paper written on me yet?
when

Morehead, KY

#33 Apr 4, 2013
When is Obama going to raise the minimum wage? What's he waiting on? He must be too busy out there on the campaign trail or maybe planning those White House parties right now to think about it.
Maybe he should be thinking about jobs right now since the jobless claims rose by 28,000 last week.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#34 Apr 4, 2013
when wrote:
When is Obama going to raise the minimum wage? What's he waiting on? He must be too busy out there on the campaign trail or maybe planning those White House parties right now to think about it.
Maybe he should be thinking about jobs right now since the jobless claims rose by 28,000 last week.
I don't keep up with jobless claims because corporate America pays their part timers just enough to qualify for using the government to it's max. So, you'll need to discuss that with them.

As for the minimum wage increase, it IS Obama that has presented it. But being the instant gratification party you insist on being, I guess your patience might need to be tested for a period of time. I hope you don't get it though, since you seem in such a hurry. Why miss what....you haven't had so desperately? Don't tell me , you're a leach?
when

Morehead, KY

#35 Apr 4, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
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I don't keep up with jobless claims because corporate America pays their part timers just enough to qualify for using the government to it's max. So, you'll need to discuss that with them.
As for the minimum wage increase, it IS Obama that has presented it. But being the instant gratification party you insist on being, I guess your patience might need to be tested for a period of time. I hope you don't get it though, since you seem in such a hurry. Why miss what....you haven't had so desperately? Don't tell me , you're a leach?
Are you sure I will be able to get a job and make that much money without losing my government goody package? I sure don't want to lose anything I'm getting now.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#36 Apr 4, 2013
when wrote:
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Are you sure I will be able to get a job and make that much money without losing my government goody package? I sure don't want to lose anything I'm getting now.
You indeed are a team of users and greed aren't you? Well, it's running out dear. We've got your number and your party is....over!

A group of us were again laughing today at what position people like you are in versus who you defend. We mutually agreed you must be....stupid? It truly is a laugh.

I always like to stand behind a store owner when they close out their registers and balance at night. Funny how that cash just....don't get counted? Does compliance hurt some of you? And I dearly love that new question on the market "would you like a receipt"? Hell yeah I would!
GOP

Morehead, KY

#37 Apr 5, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
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I don't agree with that. If they didn't care about minimum wage, then Bush wouldn't have summonsed 12,000 illegals per month and called it "working visa program".
Obama issued 691,000 work visas in 2012 while we had American citizens looking for work.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#38 Apr 5, 2013
GOP wrote:
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Obama issued 691,000 work visas in 2012 while we had American citizens looking for work.
Was that under the Bush "working visa program" that Bush implemented?

Now, tell me, how many did Bush issue during his tenure? Can you help me out with that number please? I'm sure you can. You're so analytical. lol Don't stop now.
Business

Melvin, KY

#39 Apr 5, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
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"Live free or die".
Happy workers are a driving force behind a company's success. Japan believes that way as well. Disgrundled workers can make or break a company.
Your statement also that company's paying workers a higher wage influences other companies. This is how I feel about the case with the Union. Regardless of it's management unrests, it's all America has left protecting the worker overall and wages they demand forces other companies inadvertently to maintain a decent wage, make their workers happy, to keep the Union out. This is why the Republican and conservative party wants to abolish the Union. To them, it has far less to do with the Union's management than it does them wanting to control labor in this country after which they would drive wages into the ground. They've attempted to do that by outsourcing, thinking American workers would succumb to a parallel wages to keep them him. I say, to Hell with them.
I also believe this country needs to stop the monopolies that go on...the mergers, etc. This is dangerous. Monopolies = dictatorship. They act as though they aren't making any money (according to the Right Wing), so how is it you reckon one laps up the other? Oh my goodness, they have to cut payroll so they can buy up another company and another and another until they are bigger than the federal government. If it weren't for anti-trust laws, it would be worse.
...and thank you for calling me a friend from Illinois. I was thinking I was a piece of fried chicken in the middle of a Sunday go-to-meeting, dinner on ground barbecue! lol
A large percentage of this country isn't made up of large companies...or haven't you read? When a small company has to pay those high wages...it will do one of two things...close their business or raise their prices so they can pay higher wages. Which would you like?
GOP

Morehead, KY

#40 Apr 5, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
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Was that under the Bush "working visa program" that Bush implemented?
No, it was under Obama's "work visa programs".

Im sure you will be interested to know they are creating an additional "guest-worker" program in 2013 for up to 200,000 new temporary work visas each year.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#41 Apr 13, 2013
GOP wrote:
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Obama issued 691,000 work visas in 2012 while we had American citizens looking for work.
Don't you wish that GWB hadn't implemented the program to begin with? Wasn't it GWB that said there wasn't enough workers in America to handle all that sweat labor corporate America needed? I wasn't real fond of that, but GWB said we needed them. I believed him. Didn't you?
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#42 Apr 13, 2013
Business wrote:
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A large percentage of this country isn't made up of large companies...or haven't you read? When a small company has to pay those high wages...it will do one of two things...close their business or raise their prices so they can pay higher wages. Which would you like?
Let's first define what you mean by "small business". Are you defining small business the same way the government does? Huh, yes I'm aware of very small businesses that I deal with on a daily basis. Let's put it this way. If you can't afford to pay $9/hr., then I suggest you not be in business. Fact is, it's got less to do with whether or not $9/hr. is affordable than it has giving up one bottle of imported wine on the boss's dinner table every night. Stop going against the American worker. I'm not as concerned about a business as I am hard working people getting treated like animals that can be kicked around and barely paid enough to stay alive. Does that worry corporate America?

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