President Obama Raising Minimum Wage
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LOL

Lexington, KY

#248 May 18, 2013
Yeah, it happens. I know a guy who ran his family's farm in California. I can't recall what was grown, Avocado maybe. Technically, most of the land belonged to his 93 year old mother and a little to him and a sibling. The land was purchased for very little but had appreciated and was valued considerably anyway. Then a spur to a major highway was built right on the edge of the property. Heavy equipment company offered $700 million for a relatively small parcel (it was and is a big farm). He made a deal for a small lease with option to purchase at the end of ten years or at any time during the ten years that both parties were agreeable. He put a clause in that the agreement would have to renegotiated in the event of any owner's death. He was gambling momma would not live to be 103, and he was right. The clause was to make it all legitimate. Good lawyer. All that money and no tax. He still has a large farm, which is generally worked by illegals.

I didn't say I like him or agree with him, but I do know him. Of course, everything except working the illegals was perfectly within the law.

I guess you're joking about the bars, but you better have them living in this area these days. I have them in the back of my house. I'm not worried about anybody coming in while I'm here, but I'm trying to slow them down when I'm not, which is not often now. Cameras recording any movement. It's a heck of a world.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#249 May 18, 2013
LOL wrote:
Yeah, it happens. I know a guy who ran his family's farm in California. I can't recall what was grown, Avocado maybe. Technically, most of the land belonged to his 93 year old mother and a little to him and a sibling. The land was purchased for very little but had appreciated and was valued considerably anyway. Then a spur to a major highway was built right on the edge of the property. Heavy equipment company offered $700 million for a relatively small parcel (it was and is a big farm). He made a deal for a small lease with option to purchase at the end of ten years or at any time during the ten years that both parties were agreeable. He put a clause in that the agreement would have to renegotiated in the event of any owner's death. He was gambling momma would not live to be 103, and he was right. The clause was to make it all legitimate. Good lawyer. All that money and no tax. He still has a large farm, which is generally worked by illegals.
I didn't say I like him or agree with him, but I do know him. Of course, everything except working the illegals was perfectly within the law.
I guess you're joking about the bars, but you better have them living in this area these days. I have them in the back of my house. I'm not worried about anybody coming in while I'm here, but I'm trying to slow them down when I'm not, which is not often now. Cameras recording any movement. It's a heck of a world.
Yes, it is under law and this is something that really needs to be taken a look at. There's trillions of revenue lost over time to these laws. Another reason why I feel, what Obama wanted as an estate tax exemption was more than reasonable, but his opposition of course negotiated. I look at areas like this, areas that are more than affordable, as areas as high revenue generators that could help offset tax loads in other areas that have to compensate for things like this. It's like a lottery ticket. If I won $600M on the lottery, I didn't earn it, I'd be more than happy to receive monies I didn't have to lift a finger for and pay appropriate tax. Some simply don't realize how much is exempted from tax over time either. We have the annual gifting rules also. We also have people with inherited properties that even generate a loss that lowers their other income. If you inherited at FMV a $400,000 property and sold it for that same amount, you'd still have a loss due to closing costs, legal fees, reality commission and the likes. Or, you could have a situation where someone bought a property at the high point, then dropped ead 3 yrs. later when it'd all caved in. One may have had a property with a FMV of $200,000, then the avalanche came and it become worth only $100,000. You got yourself a $100,000 plus costs loss. I just wish people who want to converse about political positions, really understood the entire picture of certain things before judging.

Yes, I'm joking about the bars. ha Of course I have to allow some people on this Forum (and Lord knows enough follow me- they are reading us now, just not commenting moreso because the subject matters are null and void to them), to believe what they want to and according to some, I do live behind security bars, I'm on welfare and never worked in my life. lol Actually, I preferred the one once that stated they thought they knew me and that I was the daughter of an Attorney. ha Just think, I can pick and choose who I am! lol I can either live behind security bars, draw a welfare check, work in a cubicle, or, I can fancy myself as an Attorney's daughter! Which would you choose? ha
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#250 May 18, 2013
P.S. Yes, I agree. A good Attorney makes all the difference in the world and when one is retained, it should be one more exclusively skilled in the area.
LOL

Lexington, KY

#251 May 19, 2013
I guess since it's make believe, whatever suited me at the moment.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#252 May 19, 2013
LOL wrote:
I guess since it's make believe, whatever suited me at the moment.
Not sure what you mean by that?
Tea Party Libertarian

Paducah, KY

#253 May 20, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
Good news coming for those that corporate America endulges in slave labor with.
Corporate profits are higher than since the 1950's as a percentage of national income, while simultaneously employees are at near their lowest.
When an employee earns more money, adjusted for inflation, they have greater purchasing power. You can't build an economy on a spiraling wage.
Wages should be set by what the market will bear and not by some arbitrary government standard. Current minimum wage laws actually harm working people by reducing their options for employment.

Minimum wage laws are another unconstitutional government intervention. They are wrong politically, and decidedly counterproductive economically. Workers do not have any other rights than anyone else. All individuals have the same rights, no matter what their occupations.

The only way to fix our economy is to abolish minimum wage laws, government regulation of working hours, and welfare.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#254 May 20, 2013
Tea Party Libertarian wrote:
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Wages should be set by what the market will bear and not by some arbitrary government standard. Current minimum wage laws actually harm working people by reducing their options for employment.
Minimum wage laws are another unconstitutional government intervention. They are wrong politically, and decidedly counterproductive economically. Workers do not have any other rights than anyone else. All individuals have the same rights, no matter what their occupations.
The only way to fix our economy is to abolish minimum wage laws, government regulation of working hours, and welfare.
Might work in a perfect world, but, no perfect world. You are totally disregarding the cost of living 21st century. What the market will bear? Trust me, the market would bear a much higher wage than is being paid period. What would the market bear when oil profits are the highest in history...when companies report for Wall St. and report their highest earnings. What do you call the executive that pulls in a $10M salary that could be reduced to afford higher worker wages?

Here's the deal. There's far too much control at the top ...for the bottom to lose control . What your team would like to do is, control the most minimum wage, act like O.T. never existed in our lifetime and have no regulations on their as- to prevent a Bangladesh fire killing people. What you want is, it all. You're not going to get it. Minimum wage hasn't even kept up with inflation, nor has most any wage for that matter in decades. That's why we have so many in poverty and those that can bearly keep their head above water while a Mr. Severonsen sails off on his Yacht to Paris.
lmbo

Morehead, KY

#255 Jun 19, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
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I can imagine that one, LOL, but you were right regardless. That must have been a terrible predicament for your friend. What I really feel terrible about is that someone like him pays to get professional advice, and don't. I, to the contrary, am annually humbled by the following I have. Without clients, professionals wouldn't have a job. I am annually humbled. This is an example of how everyone works together as a team. We all need each other in some form or the other. I'm like you. No matter where I am, I don't forget where I've been or might will be. Thrones aren't difficult to fall from. It can happen to anyone and we must contantly remind ourselves of that.
I don't look down on anyone either. I have a field day with some of these people only because, with some of them, if you make one statement past a 4-letter word, all of a sudden you're a know it all or think you're better. NOT. Since I've been on this Forum, they've had me being everyone from a lawyer to being on welfare. lol I never feel I'm better than anyone, thus why I can't handle certain prejudisms that shine here. I just feel that we, the people, need to work more as a team vs following so much political clout of which none would show up at our doors if we couldn't pay our electric bill. I just feel the majority of what's going on in Washington is a side show and opportunities arise to derail an agenda.
Can't stop laughing. You wish someone thought you were a lawyer.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#256 Jun 19, 2013
lmbo wrote:
<quoted text>Can't stop laughing. You wish someone thought you were a lawyer.
You should only wish someone thought you were anything other than insane.

But don't let me stop you...keep on laughing and keep showing....your gums.

“Gods Curse On Lazy Hillbillies”

Since: Jun 12

Dale City, VA

#257 Jun 19, 2013
Tea Party Libertarian wrote:
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Wages should be set by what the market will bear and not by some arbitrary government standard. Current minimum wage laws actually harm working people by reducing their options for employment.
Minimum wage laws are another unconstitutional government intervention. They are wrong politically, and decidedly counterproductive economically. Workers do not have any other rights than anyone else. All individuals have the same rights, no matter what their occupations.
The only way to fix our economy is to abolish minimum wage laws, government regulation of working hours, and welfare.
Are You Talking About Bringing Slavery Back???...
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#260 Jun 19, 2013
--Crack Rabbit-- wrote:
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Are You Talking About Bringing Slavery Back???...
Indeed they are. Isn't it just like the human race to want to build something, then tear it down in the name of progress? What next? Abolish minimum wage after earlier workers fighting hard for it and next it'll be, stop women from voting again and go back to paying men far more than women in the same position. Actually, there remains a considerable gap in that category.

Pretty soon the Tea Party will want the cotton fields working again and take the rest of us to live on a dictated reservation...in the name of progress.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#262 Jun 20, 2013
Raising minimum wage does NOT have to increase consumer costs.

Billionaires who purchase $23.5M custom-made yachts have plenty of room for paying an employee enough to purchase an extra loaf of bread and lb. of bologna.

Millionaires increased by 10% in 2012. You know, that sector that simply can't give an employee a 50 cents raise because it's just unaffordable!
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#263 Jun 20, 2013
Summer wrote:
Hahahahahaha. This is the only way she can get attention. People she can't see...ha
I'm glad you brought that to my attention. I'll call right now and get an appointment with Rand Paul for glasses!
Tea Party Libertarian

Madisonville, KY

#264 Jun 20, 2013
--Crack Rabbit-- wrote:
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Are You Talking About Bringing Slavery Back???...
Certainly not. Slavery is not an efficient, economical use of capital. That is because the master has to feed the slave, house him, clothe him, provide him with medical care, etc. because the slave is a capital investment. An employer has no such obligations to a free wage worker. He pays the worker for his labor and the worker uses the money to support himself.

However, the bottom 1/3 to 1/2 of all people will not work unless they are somehow compelled to do so. The most efficient way to compel them to work is to require them to support themselves. To do so effectively, wages must be kept low enough that the worker must work at maximum capacity to earn enough to support himeslf.

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