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Quod Demonstratum

London, KY

#21 May 9, 2013
walt wrote:
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Obama gave $750 billion to Wall Street and six weeks later they didn't have a clue as to where the money went.
Obama's health reform as you call it will destroy the economy and raise taxes to extremes. I am already suffering because of my age.
Obama gave Solindra billions for green energy and withing a few months they went bankrupt and the money gone.
In short, everything you say your king did was a joke and the American people will suffer for it soon.
Obama ignored serious warnings about terrorists in our country and he let them draw our tax money while they built bombs to kill Americans.
Obama lied about Benghazi to cover his ass when he lied about al quaeda being destroyed just before the election, more Americans died.
Obama covered up the "fast and furious" gun shipment to Mexican drug lords and more Americans died. Obama just visited Mexico where he blamed Americans for the murder and carnage there because we buy their drugs. The POS has never defended Americans in any way, he is a fraud and a liar just like he has trained you to be.
"Obama gave $750 billion to Wall Street and six weeks later they didn't have a clue as to where the money went."

Correction: YOU don't know where it went and conclude scandal.

"Obama's health reform as you call it will destroy the economy and raise taxes to extremes. I am already suffering because of my age."

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/12/25/obam...

And if you're so against universal health care, you're free to move to another first world country where they don't have a.. oh wait...

"Obama gave Solindra billions for green energy and withing a few months they went bankrupt and the money gone."

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/10/romneys-clea...

"In short, everything you say your king did was a joke and the American people will suffer for it soon."

Fear mongers will believe any fear they get. America is doomed, Y2K bug is among us! America is doomed, Bush took us into two wars! America is doomed, if Obama is president! America is doomed! Obama was reelected! America is doomed!

"Obama ignored serious warnings about terrorists in our country and he let them draw our tax money while they built bombs to kill Americans."

You mean the FBI, who investigated the US citizens, found no evidence to detain them and released them? If they had been innocent and WERE detained, you'd be on here claiming a police state and that Obama is detaining US citizens for no reason.

"Obama lied about Benghazi to cover his ass when he lied about al quaeda being destroyed just before the election, more Americans died."

You must know this from your infinite sources over there..oh wait, that was just infowars.

"Obama covered up the "fast and furious" gun shipment to Mexican drug lords and more Americans died."

"Fast and Furious happened because of the government respecting the 2nd amendment. They weren't allowed to block gun sales or seize guns, so they were limited to only tracking where the guns went once purchased. No government agent sold or gave guns to anyone, they just didn't block any private sellers from doing the same (as it's a constitutionally protected activity and the standards for interfering are much higher). If you want to blame anyone, blame the NRA. Or don't, because that's how the system's supposed to work."

"The POS has never defended Americans in any way, he is a fraud and a liar just like he has trained you to be.
You can go back to your free corn now and praise your king, just remember, intelligent people don't buy your load of crap."

Your opinion, your opinion, yes, he's lied, your opinion (trained me to be a fraud is amusing). Not my king, and intelligent people don't believe information from BS websites.

People like you hate Obama more than you love America, that's a problem.
walt

Whitley City, KY

#22 May 9, 2013
Here is a good read if you have the time.

How Washington Abandoned Main Street While Rescuing Wall Street

http://www.amazon.com/Bailout-Washington-Aban...

Solyndra fiasco from the beginning.

"Key coverage of the investigation into Solyndra, the Silicon Valley startup that collapsed, leaving taxpayers liable for $535 million in federal guarantees."

"Since the failure of solar-panel company Solyndra, President Obama’s $80 billion clean-technology program has begun to look like a political liability."

Carol D. Leonnig and Joe Stephens JAN 13, 2012

"E-mails show Energy Dept. asked firm in October 2010 to delay news of layoffs until after midterm vote." "As Solyndra was poised to announce layoffs, the Obama administration asked the company to put off bad news until after the midterm election."

Joe Stephens, Carol D. Leonnig and Carol D. Leonnig NOV 11, 2011

"At each crisis, officials failed to take steps that critics say could have limited taxpayer losses when the company collapsed last summer."

"The former head of the Obama administration’s controversial clean energy loan program warned a staff member last year not to include personal e-mail addresses in official correspondence, to prevent the personal accounts from being subpoenaed, documents show."

Carol D. Leonnig and Joe Stephens FEB 14, 2012

"Obama promised special interests would not steer stimulus funds, but he relied on venture capitalists to help guide stimulus decisions."

Carol D. Leonnig JAN 26, 2012

"Ener1, an electric car battery company that was awarded a $118 million stimulus grant to expand its manufacturing, has filed for bankruptcy protection."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/specia...

I could go on and on but you know the truth already, maybe you're just a little brainwashed by your king and his media and the truth has trouble sinking into your mind.
Ralph

London, KY

#23 May 9, 2013
"And if you're so against universal health care, you're free to move to another first world country where they don't have a.. oh wait..."

Do you mean those countries in financial turmoil teetering on the brink? By all means adopt all their fiscal programs. Oh wait.......
Quod Demonstratum

London, KY

#24 May 9, 2013
walt wrote:
Here is a good read if you have the time.
How Washington Abandoned Main Street While Rescuing Wall Street
http://www.amazon.com/Bailout-Washington-Aban...
Solyndra fiasco from the beginning.
"Key coverage of the investigation into Solyndra, the Silicon Valley startup that collapsed, leaving taxpayers liable for $535 million in federal guarantees."
"Since the failure of solar-panel company Solyndra, President Obama’s $80 billion clean-technology program has begun to look like a political liability."
Carol D. Leonnig and Joe Stephens JAN 13, 2012
"E-mails show Energy Dept. asked firm in October 2010 to delay news of layoffs until after midterm vote." "As Solyndra was poised to announce layoffs, the Obama administration asked the company to put off bad news until after the midterm election."
Joe Stephens, Carol D. Leonnig and Carol D. Leonnig NOV 11, 2011
"At each crisis, officials failed to take steps that critics say could have limited taxpayer losses when the company collapsed last summer."
"The former head of the Obama administration’s controversial clean energy loan program warned a staff member last year not to include personal e-mail addresses in official correspondence, to prevent the personal accounts from being subpoenaed, documents show."
Carol D. Leonnig and Joe Stephens FEB 14, 2012
"Obama promised special interests would not steer stimulus funds, but he relied on venture capitalists to help guide stimulus decisions."
Carol D. Leonnig JAN 26, 2012
"Ener1, an electric car battery company that was awarded a $118 million stimulus grant to expand its manufacturing, has filed for bankruptcy protection."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/specia...
I could go on and on but you know the truth already, maybe you're just a little brainwashed by your king and his media and the truth has trouble sinking into your mind.
I didn't really think I'd be able to convince you of what's truth and what's not, but I figured it might be worth a shot. There IS no convincing people like you. You made your mind up long ago, when you seen some Youtube videos and Facebook posts with incorrect information about how Obama is trying to become the king of the U.S., take our guns, behind every scandal, etc.

People with as much hate as you are the exact reason people need psych evals before they should be allowed a firearm.
Quod Demonstratum

London, KY

#25 May 9, 2013
Ralph wrote:
"And if you're so against universal health care, you're free to move to another first world country where they don't have a.. oh wait..."
Do you mean those countries in financial turmoil teetering on the brink? By all means adopt all their fiscal programs. Oh wait.......
Hey, the way people are talking in here, anything would be better than living in the US while Obama is president. If only there were elections of some sort every 4 years that would have had the people choose who they want to be president, that way they could have voted in another guy.. what? That happened? And the majority of Americans think Obama is doing a good enough job to warrant another 4 years? Well how about that. Must be just a bunch of haters in here, then. Democracy is the best.
walt

Stearns, KY

#27 May 9, 2013
Quod Demonstratum wrote:
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I didn't really think I'd be able to convince you of what's truth and what's not, but I figured it might be worth a shot. There IS no convincing people like you. You made your mind up long ago, when you seen some Youtube videos and Facebook posts with incorrect information about how Obama is trying to become the king of the U.S., take our guns, behind every scandal, etc.
People with as much hate as you are the exact reason people need psych evals before they should be allowed a firearm.
I showed you correct information, you are in denial. I don't get on youtube or facebook so you are 0 for 2 already. Do you have to make stuff up to try and make me look bad? Debate the issues I linked to if you have any truth in you. Come on, don't accuse me of looking at stuff you don't approve of and then you add nothing but insults. Show some intelligence, prove me wrong and I will apologize to you.

Obama lied about Benghazi but I guess the death of four Americans mean nothing to you. He had to lie because he had just reported that al queada was decimated from his soap box, it was just weeks before the election so the attack at Benghazi wouldn't look good at all. Maybe you are like Hillary, "WHAT DOES IT MATTER"? The truth is not that hard to find out. I can link you to other lies all day long but I can see that you have no desire for the truth.

SnuffAGlobalist

Enola, AR

#29 May 9, 2013
Quod Demonstratum,

You put this in quotation marks. Who the hell said this?

"Fast and Furious happened because of the government respecting the 2nd amendment. They weren't allowed to block gun sales or seize guns, so they were limited to only tracking where the guns went once purchased. No government agent sold or gave guns to anyone, they just didn't block any private sellers from doing the same (as it's a constitutionally protected activity and the standards for interfering are much higher). If you want to blame anyone, blame the NRA. Or don't, because that's how the system's supposed to work."

I would like for you to tell me who said that above crazy ass statement, so I may properly eat their lunch, in reply.

Thank you.
SnuffAGlobalist

Enola, AR

#30 May 9, 2013
Quod Demonstratum,

You said,

"And if you're so against universal health care, you're free to move to another first world country where they don't have a.. oh wait..."

Please, Please, do not come on here portraying oBOMBma, as a champion of the people, the Middle Class, or, the poor.

He is none of the above. oBOMBma is a Globalist, who firmly believes in the New World Order, and the Globalist agenda. About the only truth that I have ever heard him tell, was when he declared his unrevocabable support for Globalism during the 2008 campaign. He stated it at a factory in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, and in his white paper that he released on his economic beliefs. His appearance at a factory in Cape Girardeau, Missouri, was carried live on CSPAN.

The plan that has become known as OBAMA CARE was written by the insurance companies, all the while they were doing a Briar Rabbit, "Don't throw me in the briar bushes" routine.

OBAMA CARE resembles NOTHING like what the Progressives were lobbying Obama to establish. What the Progressives wanted was a single payer system, that would resemble MEDICARE, or, VA Healthcare for EVERYONE. Problem is, how would the bankers, Wall Street, and the insurance companies make money on a Medicare plan? They couldn't so, they gave oBOMBma MORE money than they did John McCain in the first election. Our good Zionist Jew friends at Golmansachs and JP Morgan started stuffing oBOMBma's pockets with BIG, BIG money in the first election.

They had already been given, not $750 million as we had been told that we would be forced to give them to pay off their bad, crooked as hell gambling debts, but we actually gave them well over a Trillion dollars.

George W. Bush's Jewish Tresuary Secretary, Hank Paulson, and the oBOMBma's choice to be Treasury Secretary, Tim Geithner, also, a Jew, worked on the Greedy, Gambling, Corrupt as Hell Banker Bail Out plan for both Wall Street, and foreign bankers, who jumped into their greedy, fraudulent banking schemes with the Wall Street Bankers. Banks like the Royal Bank of Scotland. the Bank of England, etc.

So, the Bailout was BEFORE oBOMBma took office, but he had signed off on it, and carried out the terms of the agreement when he took office. That is why we are so screwed in this country. We can trust neither party. It is all Wall Street bought and paid for.

The bankers, instead of loaning OUR MONEY back to us at interest, which they were supposed to do, they took the money and bought healthy banks, with our money, but first, they ran down the reputation of the healthy bank so it's stock would be devalued, then, these greedy as hell Wall Street bankers came in and bought the healthy bank for a song, since their rumors on Wall Street, had caused their stock to plummet.

Then, since the fix was in with oBOMBma, the bankers went out and bought up insurance companies, knowing that OBAMA CARE would pass, and every swinging dick in America would be forced to buy insurance. It was a captive audience. All that crap about them not being able to deny those with pre-existing conditions, was a total BS. There were loopholes purposely put into OBAMA CARE so they could get around it.

And... they raised the hell out of insurance rates, because Congress allowed them to do that, and they are still raising rates.

So, Boobula, OBAMA CARE is no good shakes.. IT IS NOT WHAT THE PROGRESSIVES WANTED, single payer, like Medicare for everyone.

...and, now, you know.
Quod Demonstratum

London, KY

#31 May 10, 2013
walt wrote:
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I showed you correct information, you are in denial. I don't get on youtube or facebook so you are 0 for 2 already. Do you have to make stuff up to try and make me look bad? Debate the issues I linked to if you have any truth in you. Come on, don't accuse me of looking at stuff you don't approve of and then you add nothing but insults. Show some intelligence, prove me wrong and I will apologize to you.
Obama lied about Benghazi but I guess the death of four Americans mean nothing to you. He had to lie because he had just reported that al queada was decimated from his soap box, it was just weeks before the election so the attack at Benghazi wouldn't look good at all. Maybe you are like Hillary, "WHAT DOES IT MATTER"? The truth is not that hard to find out. I can link you to other lies all day long but I can see that you have no desire for the truth.
I did, actually, give you factual information.

You claim TARP money disappeared due to a book, where it says the money was mishandled, not gone. Christy L. Romero, the special inspector general for TARP, before saying how TARP would not turn a profit, says this:

"After 3½ years, the Troubled Asset Relief Program (“TARP”) continues to be an active and significant part of the Government’s response to the financial crisis."

So in short, the moneys still there, the moneys still being used and there has not been a 750 billion dollar vanishing act, as you implied.

Yes, Solyndra went bankrupt. Out of the 26 green companies that received the loans, three went bankrupt. The government will be getting back around 20% of a partial amount. It went bankrupt a year after receiving the funds. They were investigated shortly after by the FBI, to see if the company misrepresented the firm’s finances to the government while seeking the loan. Obama administration had even had concerns about the restructuring plan and warned OMB director Jeffrey D. Zients that the plan should be cleared with the Department of Justice first, which the Department of Energy had not done. The emails also revealed that as early as August 2009, an aide to then-White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel had asked a Department of Energy official if he could discuss any concerns among the investment community about Solyndra but that the official dismissed the idea that Solyndra had financial problems. I'm not exactly sure how much more you wanted them to check for that.

""At each crisis, officials failed to take steps that critics say could have limited taxpayer losses when the company collapsed last summer." "

Hindsight is always 20/20 and it's always easy to find how things could have been better, later on.

""Obama promised special interests would not steer stimulus funds, but he relied on venture capitalists to help guide stimulus decisions.""

I've admitted he's lied. We all have, we all do.

""Ener1, an electric car battery company that was awarded a $118 million stimulus grant to expand its manufacturing, has filed for bankruptcy protection.""

Sure did. You must not know what bankruptcy protection is.

""Bankruptcy protection" is the process by which a debtor is "protected" by a court while they reorganize their finances."

"Ener1 filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on January 26, 2012. It completed restructuring of its debt and emerged from bankruptcy on March 30, 2012."

"Obama lied about Benghazi"

He misled, but the purpose you came up with is just your opinion. Misleading about types of attacks is extremely common for many reasons, one of the more common examples is to mislead so the enemy becomes overconfident and is more apt to make a mistake. If he had come right out and said "It was done by Jimmy, Joseph and Jesus and we will find them!", mostly likely, the three J's would have holed up in hiding and wouldn't be found for quite a while. We don't know the particulars, we know very little about it. All we DO know is opinions aren't fact

I'd like my apology now.
Quod Demonstratum

London, KY

#32 May 10, 2013
There could be a double post, if so, apologies. My post isn't appearing.
Quod Demonstratum

London, KY

#33 May 10, 2013
I did, actually, give you factual information.

You claim TARP money disappeared due to a book, where it says the money was mishandled, not gone. Christy L. Romero, the special inspector general for TARP, before saying how TARP would not turn a profit, says this:

"After 3½ years, the Troubled Asset Relief Program (“TARP”) continues to be an active and significant part of the Government’s response to the financial crisis."

So in short, the moneys still there, the moneys still being used and there has not been a 750 billion dollar vanishing act, as you implied.

Yes, Solyndra went bankrupt. Out of the 26 green companies that received the loans, three went bankrupt. The government will be getting back around 20% of a partial amount. It went bankrupt a year after receiving the funds. They were investigated shortly after by the FBI, to see if the company misrepresented the firm’s finances to the government while seeking the loan. Obama administration had even had concerns about the restructuring plan and warned OMB director Jeffrey D. Zients that the plan should be cleared with the Department of Justice first, which the Department of Energy had not done. The emails also revealed that as early as August 2009, an aide to then-White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel had asked a Department of Energy official if he could discuss any concerns among the investment community about Solyndra but that the official dismissed the idea that Solyndra had financial problems. I'm not exactly sure how much more you wanted them to check for that.

""At each crisis, officials failed to take steps that critics say could have limited taxpayer losses when the company collapsed last summer." "

Hindsight is always 20/20 and it's always easy to find how things could have been better, later on.

""Obama promised special interests would not steer stimulus funds, but he relied on venture capitalists to help guide stimulus decisions.""

I've admitted he's lied. We all have, we all do.

""Ener1, an electric car battery company that was awarded a $118 million stimulus grant to expand its manufacturing, has filed for bankruptcy protection.""

Sure did. You must not know what bankruptcy protection is.

""Bankruptcy protection" is the process by which a debtor is "protected" by a court while they reorganize their finances."

"Ener1 filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection on January 26, 2012. It completed restructuring of its debt and emerged from bankruptcy on March 30, 2012."

"Obama lied about Benghazi"

He misled, but the purpose you came up with is just your opinion. Misleading about types of attacks is extremely common for many reasons, one of the more common examples is to mislead so the enemy becomes overconfident and is more apt to make a mistake. If he had come right out and said "It was done by Jimmy, Joseph and Jesus and we will find them!", mostly likely, the three J's would have holed up in hiding and wouldn't be found for quite a while. We don't know the particulars, we know very little about it. All we DO know is opinions aren't fact

I'd like my apology now.
walt

Whitley City, KY

#34 May 10, 2013
Quod Demonstratum wrote:
I'd like my apology now.
Had to shorten your post to fit mine in.

I appreciate your in depth response of how you got your opinions. We all look at evidence and come to a conclusion one way or another and I guess we see things a little differently. I think it was you that said my views and opinions were based on my "hate" of the current president and I imagine that is a valid response but I hate no one. I may hate someones actions but at the same time I am aware that we are all in the same boat and do what we have to do.

Thanks for not calling me a racist as most usually do. I will apologize to you if I came off as rude but we both still may not have all the facts needed to prove who is wrong and who is right. I am from a military family and have some who gave their lives defending our Constitution so I take everything pertaining to our country very seriously and the Benghazi incident really upsets me. The Lybian people knew exactly who made the attack and burned the attackers (MB) headquarters down within that week.

As a country we cannot show weakness in responding or failing to respond to things like that, we need someone who kicks butt in order to let the world know that you don't mess with America or her people. We don't even have secured borders and now our immigrants are killing us with IED's just like where they came from. Have a nice day.
Quod Demonstratum

London, KY

#35 May 10, 2013
walt wrote:
<quoted text>
Had to shorten your post to fit mine in.
I appreciate your in depth response of how you got your opinions. We all look at evidence and come to a conclusion one way or another and I guess we see things a little differently. I think it was you that said my views and opinions were based on my "hate" of the current president and I imagine that is a valid response but I hate no one. I may hate someones actions but at the same time I am aware that we are all in the same boat and do what we have to do.
Thanks for not calling me a racist as most usually do. I will apologize to you if I came off as rude but we both still may not have all the facts needed to prove who is wrong and who is right. I am from a military family and have some who gave their lives defending our Constitution so I take everything pertaining to our country very seriously and the Benghazi incident really upsets me. The Lybian people knew exactly who made the attack and burned the attackers (MB) headquarters down within that week.
As a country we cannot show weakness in responding or failing to respond to things like that, we need someone who kicks butt in order to let the world know that you don't mess with America or her people. We don't even have secured borders and now our immigrants are killing us with IED's just like where they came from. Have a nice day.
One more thing I forgot. Stop being a racist.

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