if jesus was god why did ne need to pray
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#1 Aug 19, 2013
so he said to his deciples:
stay here while i go over here to pray.
mathew 26 36
#2 Aug 19, 2013
Jesus is the son of God.
#3 Aug 20, 2013
2599 The Son of God who became Son of the Virgin also learned to pray according to his human heart. He learns the formulas of prayer from his mother, who kept in her heart and meditated upon all the "great things" done by the Almighty.(cf. Luke 1:49; 2:19; 2:51) He learns to pray in the words and rhythms of the prayer of his people, in the synagogue at Nazareth and the Temple at Jerusalem. But his prayer springs from an otherwise secret source, as he intimates at the age of twelve: "I must be in my Father's house." (Luke 2:49) Here the newness of prayer in the fullness of time begins to be revealed: his filial prayer, which the Father awaits from his children, is finally going to be lived out by the only Son in his humanity, with and for men.
2600 The Gospel according to St. Luke emphasizes the action of the Holy Spirit and the meaning of prayer in Christ's ministry. Jesus prays before the decisive moments of his mission: before his Father's witness to him during his baptism and Transfiguration, and before his own fulfillment of the Father's plan of love by his Passion.(cf. Luke 3:21; 9:28; 22:41-44) He also prays before the decisive moments involving the mission of his apostles: at his election and call of the Twelve, before Peter's confession of him as "the Christ of God," and again that the faith of the chief of the Apostles may not fail when tempted.(cf. Luke 6:12; 9:18-20; 22:32) Jesus' prayer before the events of salvation that the Father has asked him to fulfill is a humble and trusting commitment of his human will to the loving will of the Father.
2601 "He was praying in a certain place and when he had ceased, one of his disciples said to him,'Lord, teach us to pray."'(Luke 11:1) In seeing the Master at prayer the disciple of Christ also wants to pray. By contemplating and hearing the Son, the master of prayer, the children learn to pray to the Father.
2602 Jesus often draws apart to pray in solitude, on a mountain, preferably at night.(cf. Mark 1:35; 6:46; Luke 5:16) He includes all men in his prayer, for he has taken on humanity in his incarnation, and he offers them to the Father when he offers himself. Jesus, the Word who has become flesh, shares by his human prayer in all that "his brethren" experience; he sympathizes with their weaknesses in order to free them.(cf. Hebrews 2:12-15; 4:15) It was for this that the Father sent him. His words and works are the visible manifestation of his prayer in secret.
2603 The evangelists have preserved two more explicit prayers offered by Christ during his public ministry. Each begins with thanksgiving. In the first, Jesus confesses the Father, acknowledges, and blesses him because he has hidden the mysteries of the Kingdom from those who think themselves learned and has revealed them to infants, the poor of the Beatitudes.(cf. Matthew 11:25-27 and Luke 10:21-23) His exclamation, "Yes, Father!" expresses the depth of his heart, his adherence to the Father's "good pleasure," echoing his mother's Fiat at the time of his conception and prefiguring what he will say to the Father in his agony. The whole prayer of Jesus is contained in this loving adherence of his human heart to the mystery of the will of the Father.(cf. Ephesians 1:9)
2604 The second prayer, before the raising of Lazarus, is recorded by St. John.
(cf. John 11:41-42) Thanksgiving precedes the event: "Father, I thank you for having heard me," which implies that the Father always hears his petitions. Jesus immediately adds: "I know that you always hear me," which implies that Jesus, on his part, constantly made such petitions. Jesus' prayer, characterized by thanksgiving, reveals to us how to ask: before the gift is given, Jesus commits himself to the One who in giving gives himself. The Giver is more precious than the gift; he is the "treasure"; in him abides his Son's heart; the gift is given "as well." (Matthew 6:21, 33)
#5 Aug 21, 2013
He prays because he is God's son. He is not God and he never Ever says that he is. He always gives the credit and honor to his Father.
● Trinitarians point to John 20:28 as proof that Jesus is God. There Thomas said (NW):My Master and my God! How can this argument be answered?F. W., Philippine Republic.
Jesus is a god.God means a strong one. Christ is called The mighty God at Isaiah 9:6,a god at John 1:1 (NW), and the only-begotten god at John 1:18 (NW). Jehovah is not the only god or strong one. The very fact that he is called the Almighty God indicates that there are other gods not so mighty, not almighty like him. So Thomas could call Jesus God, but not THE God, and three verses later Jesus is called the Son of God, as we read (NW):But these have been written down that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ the Son of God, and that, because of believing, you may have life by means of his name. So there was no objection to Johns reporting that Thomas addressed Jesus as a deity, and certainly John does not say that Thomas address to Jesus was to make us believe that Jesus was The God, but says it was to make us believe Jesus was Gods Son. In this same chapter (20:17, NW) Jesus said:I am ascending to my Father and your Father and to my God and your God. He was not ascending to himself.
Actually, everything that the Son has he has received from the Father. Note Jesus own statements:The Son cannot do a single thing of his own initiative, but only what he beholds the Father doing.. . . For the Father judges no one at all, but he has committed all the judging to the Son . . . And he has given him authority to do judging, because Son of man he is.(John 5:19-27)All authority has been given me in heaven and on the earth.(Matt. 28:18) That includes kingly authority, as is evident from Daniel 7:13, 14, which reads:With the clouds of the heavens someone like a son of man happened to be coming; and to the Ancient of Days he gained access, and they brought him up close even before that One. And to him there were given rulership and dignity and kingdom, that the peoples, national groups and languages should all serve even him.
After accomplishing his millennial work as king toward humankind, Jesus Christ will hand over the kingdom to his God and Father. As the Bible clearly states, he will also subject himself to the One who subjected all things to him, that God may be all things to everyone.(1 Cor. 15:24-28) Obviously, then, the Son owes everything to his Father and rightly acknowledges that fact. He is not his Fathers equal.
IN THE BEGINNING
Viewed from a language standpoint, the very fact that the Word is the Son of God indicates a beginning, as a son is always younger than his father. As for the Father, he has always existed. Of Him the inspired psalmist declared:Before the mountains themselves were born, or you proceeded to bring forth as with labor pains the earth and the productive land, even from time indefinite to time indefinite you are God.(Ps. 90:2) Can this be said of the Son when that very designation indicates otherwise? If so, there should be some indication that son when used with reference to the firstborn Son does not really mean son. Is there proof for this? Or, to the contrary, are there Biblical statements that clearly point to a time when the Son did not exist?
At Revelation 3:14 the Son is called the beginning of Gods creation(Revised Standard Version),the origin of Gods creation(An American Translation) or the beginning of the creation of God.(Authorized Version) Many argue that this means that the Son was the Originator or Author of the creation. But that is not what the text says. Even some Trinitarians admit that such an explanation is wrong.
#8 Aug 21, 2013
God gave all souls to the body while it inhabits the earth.
So originally all of us came from God in Heaven.
But we do not remember it while we are here in the body. Remember he told Jerimiah 1:5 he knew him before he formed him in the womb?
When we get saved and born again; we are imbued with the spirit of God. If we allow the evil one to rule the body instead of the Father in Heaven, then we lose the home that he means for us to have. There will be no more tears, no pain, and nobody will ever get sick or die.
But if you die in your sins, you will not make it to that beautiful place. As a tree fall, so shall it lie.
#9 Aug 22, 2013
A Muslim questioning Jesus...how about the 'religion of peace' first answering why they're involved in so much terror and death in the world.
Then we'll talk about your converting to Christianity so you'll understand Jesus, God and the Holy Spirit.
#12 Aug 23, 2013
Jesus is a prophet in Islam, so you really don't have a point. Besides, if Christianity had as much control in the western world as Islam has in the eastern world then I guarantee Christians would be exactly as brutal. Look through history and you can find plenty of examples of Christians using death and terror to exert control.
#13 Aug 25, 2013
You have no proof he or she is even that.I can call my self a heathern,christain,anything,yo u can't disprove it on topix,just someone trying to get a fight started.
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