Losing our gun rights
The Dude

Morehead, KY

#87 Jan 31, 2013
Oh, this is also a favorite.

If cowardly and dishonorable men sometimes shoot unarmed men with army pistols or guns, the evil must be prevented by the penitentiary and gallows, and not by a general deprivation of a constitutional privilege.”– Arkansas Supreme Court, 1878
The Dude

Morehead, KY

#88 Jan 31, 2013
So if you ban the assault weapons etc... We are not well armed as intended by the founders of this country.
They saw this coming, and it was written to the best of their abilities because they lived in tyranny, unjust prosecution from a crooked government.

Would a flint lock stand a chance against my Bushmaster? Uh, no.
The Dude

Morehead, KY

#89 Jan 31, 2013
What implications must now be taken into consideration after learning what the founder’s original intent on the second amendment? First, no peaceable citizen shall be deprived of their right to buy, possess or carry firearms, either openly or concealed. A person’s interpretation of “peaceable citizens” does give government authority for several legal actions. There is no debate that the government has authority to require background checks before an individual purchases a firearm. The purpose of that background check would be to ensure that the person has no outstanding warrants or felony convictions. The citizen who is guilty of such a crime may legally be denied their right to own a firearm until they are proven “peaceable” by regulations authorized by the state.
The Dude

Morehead, KY

#90 Jan 31, 2013
Secondly, gun registration laws provide a clear and unprecedented danger to peaceable citizens, without any benefit for the general welfare of all other citizens. In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina the danger of gun registration laws became crystal clear. The police would go into neighborhoods and forcibly confiscate the firearms from law-abiding citizens, using the gun registration records. This is in clear violation of a person’s fourth and fifth amendment rights. They confiscated property without probable cause, and confiscated property without providing the citizen due process. After that the gangs and other criminals would flock into those areas and use their illegal guns to take what they wanted. The law-abiding citizens people were defenseless. This also happened under the Nazis in Germany and the Communists in Russia. The registration lists allowed the government to isolate and confiscate the arms owned by law-abiding citizens, thereby making them easier to control. The other part of this implication is that gun registration laws have had little or no effect on the solving of crimes. Guns used in criminal acts are rarely traced back to the own through gun registration records; so they serves no real purpose other than isolating and identifying the law-abiding citizens who own guns.
The Dude

Morehead, KY

#91 Jan 31, 2013
Some of you would say that the Founders could not foresee a day when we would have of rapid fire weapons, so the second amendment requires reinterpreted. But we can see in the original intent that the specific type of weapon is not a concern when defending the right of the people to defend themselves. If you can regulate automatic weapons, what is to stop government from then regulating swords, knives and other “arms.” The meaning of the terms is clearly defined in the words of the Founders. This is the case for every questionable term that Constitutional modernists and activists think need should be reinterpreted for our modern progressive era. And that is the key behind the idea of original intent.

Since: Sep 07

Drearyville KS

#92 Jan 31, 2013
The Dude wrote:
Laws that forbid the carrying of arms... disarm only those who are neither inclined nor determined to commit crimes... Such laws make things worse for the assaulted and better for the assailants; they serve rather to encourage than to prevent homicides, for an unarmed man may be attacked with greater confidence than an armed man.”– Thomas Jefferson’s “Commonplace Book,” 1774-1776, quoting from On Crimes and Punishment, by criminologist Cesare Beccaria, 1764
Gunphuques usually attribute that quote to a founder. At least your quotations are real and correctly attributed. I always wondered why they had to lie so much when so much supports their positions. Equally, a lot doesn't.
good guy with a gun

Mayfield, KY

#93 Jan 31, 2013
just amazed wrote:
oh and wowed,
I know think I live in my own little world, but world do you live in that the British are still a threat the U.S. that U.S. citizens need to be armed and defend the country from British invasion. Granted the last British invation (being a reference to a music revolution) was an assult on the ears, I don't recall americans taking up armed to fend it off. In fact the Rolling Stones are just as popular today.
But to the point when was the last time average american citizens to up arms to figh. Oh wait a second, the U.S. has one of the most heavily armed military on the planet. Average citizens do not fight wars, the army does. But next conflict, feel free to take you guns and join them on the front line otherwise there are a lot of us who think the little kids should be able to go to school, people should be able to shop at malls, or even take in a picture show without the constant threat of being shot at. And not to overkill, but can ya comprehend that?
British? Where were you on 911? I do not think we were attacked by British. I do not know if you watch the news, but there are countries that would love to kill us. I believe a "Red Dawn" type of event is very possible. How would you defend yourself if a group of radicals decided to raid your neighborhood at 3:00 in the morning, kicking down doors, and blasting everyone in their path? Call the military and Pres. Obama for help? Remember-it took FEMA 5 days to get water to the Superdome, after Katrina. I believe kids should be able to go to school also,-without fear!
just amazed

Mayfield, KY

#94 Feb 1, 2013
dear good guy with a gun,

Try reading the exchanges between posters before commenting, you will sound less ignorant. Post #62 by wowed commented without guns we would be british in reference to the american revolution. My response was that this occurred over two hundred years ago, we get along with the british quite well now. I suppose the sarcasm might go over some people’s head, but that is to be expected.

So, still pumping 911 for all it’s worth? Goodness, talk about your typical fear mongering. I don’t respond to such tactics that reflect the republican party’s and/or religious methods for controlling people. They pull the strings and people like you dance and sing about the sky falling, all for their amusement (kind of sad and pathetic). And that goes for all the people with such wild imaginations that come up will all sorts of horrible fictitious events to keep all types of weapons. Even though you have proven over and over again that the general public is too irresponsible and too immature to own guns.

Red Dawn was a mediocre movie and nothing else. Ya know, it’s called fiction and that means it’s not real. But you don’t have to go too far to see how people in this country use guns, just watch the six o’clock news (doesn’t matter which flavor, more often than not you will hear about another shooting). So to recap, Red Dawn = fiction = NOT REAL and 6 o’clock news = excessive gun related deaths = REAL.

As far as the FEMA reference, gun nuts usually don’t bash former republican presidents. Remember, George W (I don’t know my arse from a hole in the ground) Bush was on watch for your FEMA reference. They do enjoy gutting needed domestic programs, tax breaks for the wealthy, and blocking meaningful gun control legislation.
just amazed

Mayfield, KY

#95 Feb 1, 2013
To whom it may concern:

I didn’t really think that any paranoid gun nut conspiracy theory maniac would be persuaded by facts in reference to the reality of gun violence in this country. If that was the case, I would not have had the pleasure to read so many unsubstantiated postings in support of the dysfunctional emotional bond you people seem have with your weapon of choice. I’ve read your tried and true tricks of the trade to avoid the actual issue at hand. Partial statistic (because we leave out the ones we don’t like or can’t use), wild extreme fictitious stories better used for right wing movie plots, insulting posters who don’t agree with your fanatical opinions and flat out lies that you should be ashamed of (that is if you had any shame) seem to be the only defense of pro gun (let’s shoot up the world) enthusiasts. Not really a convincing argument and you wonder why the rest of the world shake their collective head at you. They would be laughing at you too, but there is nothing funny about the end result of your sick and perverse love of guns.

Since I’m not here on this planet to fix the woes of one particular group of silly primates (better known as the human race), this has been an exercise in communication with a rather predictable demographic. Here is the really cool thing though, it is a demographic that is shrinking. Fewer people are buying guns, it’s the same people buying more guns. But with every day that goes by, an aging pro gun demographic is slowly passing away. As the trend continues, the fanatical pro gun collective will become easier to take care of. Perhaps a revamped mental health care system can make room for the few remaining pro gun nut jobs until they are no longer a threat to a civilized world :)
just amazed

Mayfield, KY

#96 Feb 1, 2013
Just a final note. Since the pro gun side of the debate has no factual evidence to support their position and I've grown weary of the same tired repeated insults from ya all, I think my time will be better spent by pulling nasal hairs than responding your pro gun nonsense rants.

So ya have plenty here to amuse yourselves with. Knock yourselves out, have fun, it's been like communicating with the twilight zone of a right wing fantasy land.

bye, bye

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#98 Feb 1, 2013
Big Little bear wrote:
Second Amendment was put in place to protect the American people from a tyranical government, if we loose our guns we lose our freedom. Most the people that are backing this ban have armed security to protect them, but we are not aloud to protect ourselves. Look throughout history, like communist countries and nazi germany total gun bands and millions dead. America is a different country, we were given these freedoms on paper when his this government was founded by great men the second amendment is just as important, that is the one that keeps us free.
Its almost as if a plan has been divised to divide the people and turn them violently against each other. My definition of Americans is that of a united people standing for truth, justice, and the American way. Life liberty and the persuit of happiness has turned into having to defend your thoughts and ideas from other Americans every day and thats not good for America.

When I grew up you could buy guns and ammo at the local hardware store, you could order them from the Sears & Roebuck catolog. Most schools had shooting teams and kept their guns at school of all places. Boy scouts had shooting education classes and shooting badges of merit.

Now before someone says that was the old days and things are different now, tell me, what has changed? Is it the guns or is it something else?

Here is a quote from 11 years ago that I think is a wake-up call for all those who will read and ponder what it says.

“My excellent colleagues have forgotten these bitter lessons of history. The prospect of tyranny may not grab the headlines the way vivid stories of gun crime usually do. But few saw the Third Reich coming until it was too late. The Second Amendment is a doomsday provision, one designed only for those exceptionally rare circumstances when all other rights have failed.
A free people can only afford to make this mistake once.”

Judge Alex Kozinski in his dissent on the case of Silveira v. Lockye in 2002.

Since: Sep 07

Drearyville KS

#99 Feb 1, 2013
Most schools didn't have shooting teams. Hitler did not take the guns away; he encouraged gun training and ownership. If you want to keep your guns, remember, no one likes liars.

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#100 Feb 1, 2013
door king wrote:
Most schools didn't have shooting teams. Hitler did not take the guns away; he encouraged gun training and ownership. If you want to keep your guns, remember, no one likes liars.
The "Third Reich" comment I quoted, was about tyrannical govts., how did you get that so wrong? Who is lying? Maybe you aren't old enough to remember the school shooting ranges but that doesn't take away the fact that they had them.

SCHOOL KIDS TO “SHOOT” FOR DIPLOMA

Governor Signs Bill, Teaches Actual Gun Safety

"American high schools used to have firing ranges in the basement, but the tradition began fading in the late 1960s."

http://www.gunlaws.com/HighSchoolMarksmanship...

"The NRA first made an effort to promote shooting programs besides competition in the January 1903 issue of Shooting and Fishing, an NRA-published magazine. The following February Maj. James E. Bell made a strong request during an NRA Board of Directors meeting, encouraging rifle practice in schools and colleges. He firmly believed that education and training among school-aged boys, would reduce accidents and make for a well-trained soldier, if soldiers were needed. In April of 1903 the NRA executive board sent a letter to the presidents and faculty of New York schools. It explained the need for safety and marksmanship rifle training and asked for rifle practice for youth shooters. The schools then started with basic marksmanship and in the winter of 1904, New York City High Schools began rifle practice and hosted a competition."

http://firearmusernetwork.com/2011/09/01/hist...

Did you catch this fact?

"...in the winter of 1904, New York City High Schools began rifle practice and hosted a competition."

Didn't want you to miss it and call me a liar again.
The Dude

Morehead, KY

#101 Feb 1, 2013
The great thing about this country, you can have ignorant people like the Westboro Baptist Church and even they in my opnion don't deserve to draw another breath of air, but they have the right to freedom of speech.

It is us, the gun bearing, freedom fighters, veterans that have given ya'll those rights.

I read a study on the internet somewhere, that there are more doctors that kill people in mal-practice than guns.

Shouldn't then, but your way of thinking ban all doctors and remove them from the public access? What about car crashes? My son was killed in a car crash, should we not then ban fords and chevy's too?

Guns do not kill people, people kill people.
And the crazy jap in the mall in japan that killed 20+ with his katanna, should we not take away the knives as well?

As the CCDW class I took said, I can use lethal force to protect myself or someone else from being assaulted or raped, and protect personal property.

So I guess if I walk by and you are getting raped and or maybe killed I should just keep walking and let the police handle it?

I think not, it would be one less criminal we would have to support in the judicial system.

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#102 Feb 2, 2013
The war on gun rights may very well begin in New York. Here is a 4 minute video from New York where citizens came to debate with lawmakers. New York gun owners will not abide by the laws already being forced upon them.

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Since: Sep 07

Drearyville KS

#103 Feb 2, 2013
wowed wrote:
<quoted text>
The "Third Reich" comment I quoted, was about tyrannical govts., how did you get that so wrong? Who is lying? Maybe you aren't old enough to remember the school shooting ranges but that doesn't take away the fact that they had them.
SCHOOL KIDS TO “SHOOT” FOR DIPLOMA
Governor Signs Bill, Teaches Actual Gun Safety
"American high schools used to have firing ranges in the basement, but the tradition began fading in the late 1960s."
http://www.gunlaws.com/HighSchoolMarksmanship...
"The NRA first made an effort to promote shooting programs besides competition in the January 1903 issue of Shooting and Fishing, an NRA-published magazine. The following February Maj. James E. Bell made a strong request during an NRA Board of Directors meeting, encouraging rifle practice in schools and colleges. He firmly believed that education and training among school-aged boys, would reduce accidents and make for a well-trained soldier, if soldiers were needed. In April of 1903 the NRA executive board sent a letter to the presidents and faculty of New York schools. It explained the need for safety and marksmanship rifle training and asked for rifle practice for youth shooters. The schools then started with basic marksmanship and in the winter of 1904, New York City High Schools began rifle practice and hosted a competition."
http://firearmusernetwork.com/2011/09/01/hist...
Did you catch this fact?
"...in the winter of 1904, New York City High Schools began rifle practice and hosted a competition."
Didn't want you to miss it and call me a liar again.
Most schools didn't have shooting teams. That's what you said, and nothing you added supports your original statement. The fact that a few had them (maybe) doesn't mean squat.

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#104 Feb 2, 2013
The link states that, "New York City High Schools began rifle practice and hosted a competition."

Sounds like that at least means all of them in New York did. Couldn't find a lot of info from back then for the rest of the country but I do remember many schools having shooting teams.

You use the term "few" and thats not being honest because you supply nothing to support your side of the argument.
Libs

Winchester, KY

#105 Feb 2, 2013
Listen, everyone will make same amount money. We gonna take them guns. Get over it. Obirtion is ok as long as we can stick our dic$ up me male partner. Me love Obama. Me think me great.

Since: Sep 07

Drearyville KS

#106 Feb 2, 2013
wowed wrote:
The link states that, "New York City High Schools began rifle practice and hosted a competition."
Sounds like that at least means all of them in New York did. Couldn't find a lot of info from back then for the rest of the country but I do remember many schools having shooting teams.
You use the term "few" and thats not being honest because you supply nothing to support your side of the argument.
You supplied nothing: a link to a gunphuque site isn't worth visiting.

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#107 Feb 2, 2013
door king wrote:
<quoted text>
You supplied nothing: a link to a gunphuque site isn't worth visiting.
I supplied more than you did.

I guess that since you are brainwashed you need to shy away from too much truth.

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