America Opens Combat Roles To Women

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#54 Jan 25, 2013
WillyP wrote:
I don't believe "allowing" women to serve in combat has anything to do with equality. If women are required to register for the draft and if called are REQUIRED to serve in combat, that's equality.
Somehow I don't think that's what Jenny has in mind.
Is there a draft I haven't heard about?

But, yes, equality means equal in all things. Why does that frighten you so much?

Related to drafts. With the population of America as it is now I really do not think there will be any more drafts. So both males and females which don't wish to kill people or do not meet the standards for the military will not have to be concerned about it.
Patriot

London, KY

#55 Jan 25, 2013
I am against any requirement that affects unit cohesiveness or forces an instructor to pass a fag because he would sue if he is marked as they scored.

That is reality and all the stylish rules will not change that.

A bimbo at Parris Island held the range record shooting almost a perfect score on Qual Day. The days before she couldn't cut paper. April 01, she was at the range. Her PMI told the butts pullers "nobody fails to qualify." April first. LMAO

Since: Sep 09

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#59 Jan 25, 2013
Conservatives seem far too much to be of the mentality where they 'have to have' someone to feel superior to. I guess to make them feel better about themselves, about their problems or shortcomings. First it was blacks, but slavery became outlawed. So that only left women for them to think should serve them and they could feel were less than them.

Women were even denied the right to vote until fifty years 'after' blacks were given the right. And even today Republicans block, and in one state repealed, fair pay laws for women.

This opposition to women in combat is just another of their attempts to deny and refuse equality. Because it's another step to having society give true equality to everyone. In other words ..... women will be equal and not being the 'little lady' which serves them like property.

To Conservatives ..... fix you own dang dinner. You can learn how to cook.
WillyP

Bowling Green, KY

#60 Jan 25, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
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Is there a draft I haven't heard about?
Apparently there's a lot you haven't heard about. All males between 18 and 25 are required to be registered for the draft. Right now we have such a tiny military and such a bad economy that volunteers are filling the need. This could and will change, and some military brass are already saying we need to have a draft. Standby for a ram with your new "equality" because if a general war comes along you're going to be carrying an honest to goodness "assault weapon" in BF Egypt.

Since: Sep 09

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#61 Jan 25, 2013
WillyP wrote:
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Apparently there's a lot you haven't heard about. All males between 18 and 25 are required to be registered for the draft. Right now we have such a tiny military and such a bad economy that volunteers are filling the need. This could and will change, and some military brass are already saying we need to have a draft. Standby for a ram with your new "equality" because if a general war comes along you're going to be carrying an honest to goodness "assault weapon" in BF Egypt.
That's not a draft. If one begins, we will go.
WillyP

Bowling Green, KY

#62 Jan 25, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
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That's not a draft. If one begins, we will go.
Yes you will!

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#63 Jan 25, 2013
WillyP wrote:
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Yes you will!
No doubt. It will be the law. Why do you think we are any less Americans than men?

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#64 Jan 25, 2013
You guys are going to have to face it. Women are 'now' permitted to fulfill combat roles. It's a done deal. If you guys don't like it ..... don't start wars.
WillyP

Bowling Green, KY

#66 Jan 25, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
You guys are going to have to face it. Women are 'now' permitted to fulfill combat roles. It's a done deal. If you guys don't like it ..... don't start wars.
When "permitted" becomes "required", come back and we'll talk about equality. You absolutely don't have a clue.

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#70 Jan 25, 2013
The facts are that every move to help women achieve equality has came from President Obama. Every bill, enacted law, bill blocking, or repeal of laws, which has harmed women has came from the Republican Party.

A great example. What are you guys doing on here? Opposing our right to act in combat roles. It's more of the same-old-same-old from the Republican Party.
woman

Morehead, KY

#73 Jan 25, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
You guys are going to have to face it. Women are 'now' permitted to fulfill combat roles. It's a done deal. If you guys don't like it ..... don't start wars.
I can see you carrying a 250 lb wounded soldier off the battlefield.....or will you just leave him there to die?
Patriot

London, KY

#75 Jan 25, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
The facts are that every move to help women achieve equality has came from President Obama. Every bill, enacted law, bill blocking, or repeal of laws, which has harmed women has came from the Republican Party.
A great example. What are you guys doing on here? Opposing our right to act in combat roles. It's more of the same-old-same-old from the Republican Party.
Listen little Suzy. Find you some girls that spent time in the jungles of VN. I am not talking about ship angels, I mean the ones that were there and did it. If any are still alive?

A ride in the desert is nothing compared to Trench foot. I have done both. I ain't packing no extra 130lbs. because they found out Trench Foot doesn't limit itself to feet. Some little hard dick in the jungle would have smelled out your whole patrol. You know of cyclesynching? Your stylish accomplishment will cost good men and women their lives.
woman

Morehead, KY

#76 Jan 25, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
You guys are going to have to face it. Women are 'now' permitted to fulfill combat roles. It's a done deal. If you guys don't like it ..... don't start wars.
Women in combat: Will they have to register for the draft?

That may be a difficult question from a societal standpoint, but the answer is straightforward, according to a legal analysis. On Thursday, the Pentagon will lift its ban on women in combat.

Now that the Pentagon is lifting its ban on women in combat, does this mean that women could potentially be drafted, too?

And as a practical matter: When women turn 18, will they now need to register, as men do, so that they can be conscripted in the event of a World War III, or any military emergency where the US government decides it needs troops quickly?

It’s a thorny question, raising what may be a difficult prospect societally. But the legal implications are obvious, analysts argue.

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“The answer to that question is clearly yes,” says Anne Coughlin, a law professor at the University of Virginia School of Law in Charlottesville.“The legal argument is clear: If it comes to that kind of wrenching emergency where we have to press young people into service, there is no legal justification for saying that men alone need to shoulder that burden.”

The wars of the past decade in Iraq and Afghanistan have been fought by an all-volunteer force, since the US military discontinued the draft in 1973. Males between the ages of 18 and 25, however, are still required to register for the Selective Service.

Once the combat exclusion policy is lifted,“My belief is that if we open up combat arms to women, even on a voluntary basis, if there is a draft, we should be able to force women into those positions,” says retired Col. Peter Mansoor, a professor of military history at the Ohio State University in Columbus and a former US Army brigade commander who served two tours in Iraq.

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“If women are acceptable to serve in combat, they are acceptable to serve whether they volunteer or not. You can’t have the frosting on the cake and not the cake underneath,” he says.

Legal precedent backs this up, adds Professor Coughlin, who has advised plaintiffs in lawsuits to overturn the Pentagon’s combat exclusion policy – in particular a US Supreme Court case in 1981, Rostker v. Goldberg. In that suit, men argued that the draft is unconstitutional because only men are required by law to register. The Supreme Court rejected the premise of lawsuit.

“The court ruled that the Selective Service process is designed to assemble combat-ready people, and right now women are excluded from combat arms,” Coughlin says.“Therefore they can’t participate in the very thing that the draft is for. Hence, it’s appropriate and constitutional to continue to exclude women from the draft.”

Yet in overturning combat exclusion for women,“The male-only draft falls as well, no question about it,” she adds.

Critics of women in combat argue that culturally, the prospect of women being drafted might make the country reluctant to go to war.

To that, Professor Mansoor says,“It should be: That’s exactly the debate the country needs to have.”

But while the notion of women being drafted “may add some measure of hesitancy to the decision, I don’t see it as swinging the decision,” he says.

Even so,“Congress and the president should agonize over going to war. Questions of war should be difficult,” Mansoor adds.“They should not be as easy as they’ve been in the past 10 years.”

http://news.yahoo.com/women-combat-register-d...
Patriot

London, KY

#77 Jan 25, 2013
No, wait. That was unfair. You have no idea of what combat really is.

You are flat on your face. It is damp and your clothes are full of sand, dirt and bugs. You can't move or they see you first. Your guts are in knots because you didn't eat the local food before the patrol. So you know they can smell you because you can smell them. Every inch another bite and possible tripwire or trigger. You are 100% alive. Every leaf moving or small insect jumping gets your scrutiny. Scraped scratched and raw you get clear. It takes you 10 minutes to get up. Tomorrow after sleeping in a damp hooch or sand in every crevice trailer. You get to do it again. Only this time you find them or they find you. The next day. You get to do it again. Maybe.

Now I didn't cover the 120lbs. ruck or a 6lbs. rifle, waterB and assorted possibles. Although on LRRP ammo went up, personals went down.

The 8K hike in and out each day wasn't really worth mentioning. The ambush possibilities either.

Pull no punches and do not weaken requirements just to include. Like I said earlier. I think I have met around 100 female Marines. I have met probably a thousand that wore the uniform.

Since: Sep 09

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#78 Jan 25, 2013
Too late, guys. It's a done deal. We 'are now' allowed to act in combat roles (which many women in the middle-eastern wars have already been doing). Just like when fruitloops lost in attempting to keep other things from us such as the right to vote.

If you don't like the idea of us having true equal rights then go to the middle-east and become Taliban. Heck, that would be cool with me. I would then join just to get a chance to shoot at your redneck butts.
Patriot

London, KY

#79 Jan 25, 2013
We need to also adopt a new International Symbol For Surrender. May I suggest a large black +. That way when your unit is taking fire. Your piss stick shows (+). You wave the flag three times in the air and then get up and get to leave.

Big Hill ought to submit that to the UN before her next suicide attempt. Maybe just a magnetic "baby on board" Garfield? Danged Kevlar. lol
paige

Morehead, KY

#80 Jan 25, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
Too late, guys. It's a done deal. We 'are now' allowed to act in combat roles (which many women in the middle-eastern wars have already been doing). Just like when fruitloops lost in attempting to keep other things from us such as the right to vote.
If you don't like the idea of us having true equal rights then go to the middle-east and become Taliban. Heck, that would be cool with me. I would then join just to get a chance to shoot at your redneck butts.
I don't think you're woman enough to join. You are a whiner and crier. You like to include yourself in the "we" but you would never join the forces willingly.

Since: Sep 09

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#81 Jan 25, 2013
Patriot wrote:
We need to also adopt a new International Symbol For Surrender. May I suggest a large black +. That way when your unit is taking fire. Your piss stick shows (+). You wave the flag three times in the air and then get up and get to leave.
Big Hill ought to submit that to the UN before her next suicide attempt. Maybe just a magnetic "baby on board" Garfield? Danged Kevlar. lol
You are forgetting something aren't you? Women have been in the middle-east for years.

June 2003, General Martin Dempsey gets on board an armoured vehicle to go out on the streets of Baghdad to inspect how bad the war was there. They had been particularly having problems with snipers, grenade attacks, and roadside bombs. He took a second to introduce himself to the crew of the vehicle.

"I slapped the turret gunner on the leg and I (General Dempsey) said,'Who are you?'"

And the soldier leaned down and said, "I'm Amanda."

True story.
ReallyIII

Los Angeles, CA

#82 Jan 25, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
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You are forgetting something aren't you? Women have been in the middle-east for years.
June 2003, General Martin Dempsey gets on board an armoured vehicle to go out on the streets of Baghdad to inspect how bad the war was there. They had been particularly having problems with snipers, grenade attacks, and roadside bombs. He took a second to introduce himself to the crew of the vehicle.
"I slapped the turret gunner on the leg and I (General Dempsey) said,'Who are you?'"
And the soldier leaned down and said, "I'm Amanda."
True story.
What he didn't say DumbF()uck is that she was " Amanda " a Military Police Officer solider. That is a MOS women have been if for years. That is NOT a combat MOS.( Military Occupational Specialty ). To you it makes no difference, to the military it means a lot.

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#83 Jan 25, 2013
ReallyIII wrote:
<quoted text> What he didn't say DumbF()uck is that she was " Amanda " a Military Police Officer solider. That is a MOS women have been if for years. That is NOT a combat MOS.( Military Occupational Specialty ). To you it makes no difference, to the military it means a lot.
Do they get shot at? Do they shoot back?

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