KJV take it or leave it

KJV take it or leave it

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West point

Chicago, IL

#1 May 21, 2013
Kjv says do not except another gospel except what is already been preached.
google it.
What is meant for us is what is been for over 200 yrs here in America, and now a bunch of dif gospels clamer for attention and say take me I am the one.
I dont think so.
Last chapter of Revelation says when you add to or take away from this book, your part will be taken out of the lamb's book of life.
Kjv is meant for us, because God let it be translated the way he saw fit.
choice

Pilot Mountain, NC

#2 May 22, 2013
i take it.
leave it

Solsberry, IN

#3 May 22, 2013
its a dead language that most people have a real tough time reading and understanding. Most KJV people I know spend more time reading the commentary below. Heck, I've seen some study Bibles with more commentary on a page than actual scripture.

I'd have to argue that Liberty Press adding all the commentary and explanations on the same page as scripture is violating the Revelation warning you speak of.

Just something to think about.
High Truth

Kansas City, MO

#4 May 22, 2013
If you are saved and have the Holy Spirit living inside of you; you will understand the KJV.
Romans 8:7 - The Carnal Mind is Hostile to God

"The sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so." ( Romans 8:7 )

The natural mind cannot receive the things of God. Paul says that the sinful mind or carnal mind is hostile to God. It hates the very things of God and cannot please God because it is impossible to walk according to his ways while following the desires of the flesh. Many Christians try and try but experience constant failure because they are not living by the Holy Spirit as their compass and guide. They are living out of their own efforts rather than living a life of faith.

To have true victory in life we must be in tune with the Holy Spirit that was given to us. His office and function is to instruct, help and comfort us on this earth. But just as important He reveals and reminds us what Jesus told us. It is the most blessed gift along with salvation that we received from God. If we are trying live apart from the provision Christ made for us in sending the Holy Spirit, then we will never know God in the way he desires. Jesus thought that this guide was so important that he said in John, "But I tell you the truth: It is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Counselor will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you" ( John 16:7 ). So many times we wish that we could have Jesus sitting next to us teaching and instructing us. But Jesus said it was expedient that he return to the Father so that he could send us the Holy Spirit in His place.

While Jesus' time was approaching an end on this earth he began to minister to the disciples about the events that would be coming regarding this death upon the cross. He started comforting them by telling them of the promised Holy Spirit that he would be sending them. Jesus wanted to tell them everything but he knew that their limited understanding of spiritual things hindered them. That is why he told them in John, "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come" ( John 16:12-13 ). Jesus knew that they could not bear it in the natural, but after he sent the Holy Spirit, their minds would be opened to the very things of God and He would bring them understanding in a spiritual way. The Holy Spirits job is to teach us all things, even the very deep and intimate things of God. I Corinthians 2:10 says, "...but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God..." ( I Corinthians 2:10 ). That is why Jesus chided his disciples in Luke 24, to stay in Jerusalem until they received this promise, because He knew that it was absolutely necessary for life. The same is true for us today.

Today we learn that the natural mind is hostile to God. We cannot understand the things of God on our own because I Corinthians 2 says, "The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned" ( I Corinthians 2:14 ). We need the Holy Spirit because we have been called into fellowship with God the Father through Christ the Son and it is their desire to show us all things. God has revealed everything to us and withheld nothing from us. We have this knowledge in our born again spirits. "We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us" ( I Corinthians 2:12 ). He wants us to know and understand everything. It is the Holy Spirit who teaches and reminds us of these very things.
Continued..
High Truth

Kansas City, MO

#5 May 22, 2013
Jesus said, "But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you" ( John 14:26 ). This is why it is imperative that we walk not after the dictates of the flesh, but after the Spirit in newness of life.

Today, as you read this wonderful revelation of truth, I pray that your heart is softened and receptive to the Holy Spirits direction in your life. With this change of heart you will experience effortless change by Him. Your mind will naturally align with His direction.... The result, life and soul peace. God bless you!
So in choosing the KJV, I am now at this moment reading that last verse in Relation spoken of by the brother/sister on the first post.
This is one of many codes the Bible speaks of that it is the preserved word of God meant for our generation.
http://www.av1611.org/kjv/knowkjv.html
Truther

London, KY

#6 May 23, 2013
If the Counselor will teach us all things, why worry about the KJV language at all? Let's read the scriptures in their ORIGINAL languages of Greek and Hebrew (with a smattering of Chaldea and Aramaic throw in for good measure)?
High Truth

Kansas City, MO

#7 May 23, 2013
Truther wrote:
If the Counselor will teach us all things, why worry about the KJV language at all? Let's read the scriptures in their ORIGINAL languages of Greek and Hebrew (with a smattering of Chaldea and Aramaic throw in for good measure)?
Please read and it will become plain to see.
http://www.av1611.org/kjv/knowkjv.html

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#8 May 27, 2013
"Last chapter of Revelation says when you add to or take away from this book, your part will be taken out of the lamb's book of life."

You do realize that the Bible was not written in English, so the KJV is a translation, right? Is the KJV, according to your logic, violating Revelation?

Who knows? Who cares?
West point wrote:
Kjv says do not except another gospel except what is already been preached.
google it.
What is meant for us is what is been for over 200 yrs here in America, and now a bunch of dif gospels clamer for attention and say take me I am the one.
I dont think so.
Last chapter of Revelation says when you add to or take away from this book, your part will be taken out of the lamb's book of life.
Kjv is meant for us, because God let it be translated the way he saw fit.
Just my opinion

Houston, TX

#9 May 27, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
"Last chapter of Revelation says when you add to or take away from this book, your part will be taken out of the lamb's book of life."
You do realize that the Bible was not written in English, so the KJV is a translation, right? Is the KJV, according to your logic, violating Revelation?
Who knows? Who cares?
<quoted text>
Most of your new translations puts things in a different perspective. A lot of them trys to make a pretty thing of sin, or to say you can sin if you want to. I think God allowed our version to be worded this way for a reason. For the United States and English, the KJV is pretty plain to see.
I will stick with this:
Exodus 20

King James Version (KJV)

20 And God spake all these words, saying,

2 I am the Lord thy God, which have brought thee out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.

3 Thou shalt have no other gods before me.

4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.

5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth generation of them that hate me;

6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.

7 Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain; for the Lord will not hold him guiltless that taketh his name in vain.

8 Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy.

9 Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work:

10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the Lord thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

11 For in six days the Lord made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day: wherefore the Lord blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it.

12 Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

13 Thou shalt not kill.

14 Thou shalt not commit adultery.

15 Thou shalt not steal.

16 Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour.

17 Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's house, thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife, nor his manservant, nor his maidservant, nor his ox, nor his ass, nor any thing that is thy neighbour's.

18 And all the people saw the thunderings, and the lightnings, and the noise of the trumpet, and the mountain smoking: and when the people saw it, they removed, and stood afar off.

19 And they said unto Moses, Speak thou with us, and we will hear: but let not God speak with us, lest we die.

20 And Moses said unto the people, Fear not: for God is come to prove you, and that his fear may be before your faces, that ye sin not.

21 And the people stood afar off, and Moses drew near unto the thick darkness where God was.

22 And the Lord said unto Moses, Thus thou shalt say unto the children of Israel, Ye have seen that I have talked with you from heaven.

23 Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.

24 An altar of earth thou shalt make unto me, and shalt sacrifice thereon thy burnt offerings, and thy peace offerings, thy sheep, and thine oxen: in all places where I record my name I will come unto thee, and I will bless thee.

25 And if thou wilt make me an altar of stone, thou shalt not build it of hewn stone: for if thou lift up thy tool upon it, thou hast polluted it.

26 Neither shalt thou go up by steps unto mine altar, that thy nakedness be not discovered thereon.
Truther

London, KY

#11 May 28, 2013
There are some BAD translations of the Bible. However, that doesn't mean that all translations are bad. By what logic is the KJV the "inspired" translation? Suppose that it is for a moment though. What does that say about non-English speaking people throughout the world? Are they unable to hear the truth? I don't think so.
Rite

Chicago, IL

#12 May 28, 2013
Truther wrote:
There are some BAD translations of the Bible. However, that doesn't mean that all translations are bad. By what logic is the KJV the "inspired" translation? Suppose that it is for a moment though. What does that say about non-English speaking people throughout the world? Are they unable to hear the truth? I don't think so.
The KJV is the most hated Book in the world. That means it is doing some good since Satan the devil hates it so much.
Jesus was the most hated by those who pretended religion.

“Smokin”

Since: May 12

Strawberry Fields of Dreams

#16 May 28, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
"Last chapter of Revelation says when you add to or take away from this book, your part will be taken out of the lamb's book of life."
You do realize that the Bible was not written in English, so the KJV is a translation, right? Is the KJV, according to your logic, violating Revelation?
Who knows? Who cares?
<quoted text>
Finally we have something to agree about (I've read a lot of your posts). The Bible as we know it today did not exist when the Book of Revelations was written so it can't be talking about the Bible. John wrote the Book of Revelations while imprisioned on the Isle of Patmos and he probably figured someone would tamper with his work if he died so he played on the superstition of the day and mentioned a curse upon any editors of his work. The KJV we have today is not the original, the Apocrypha was removed and some 22 other books mentioned in it are no longer available.

The KJV is a good source of information but it is far lacking in being complete. If we had a complete and accurate set of holy scriptures, it would probably be a 30 volume set of books.

One more thing. If the writings we read today were truly inspired of God, then why does it have footnotes telling of other possible meanings?
Oh The godvirus

Paducah, KY

#18 May 28, 2013
*recognize

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#19 May 28, 2013
Yeah, it's interesting that I don't hear Christians discussing the Apocrypha or why those texts were excluded. I suspect that many of them have never even heard of it.
Bull Durham wrote:
<quoted text>
Finally we have something to agree about (I've read a lot of your posts). The Bible as we know it today did not exist when the Book of Revelations was written so it can't be talking about the Bible. John wrote the Book of Revelations while imprisioned on the Isle of Patmos and he probably figured someone would tamper with his work if he died so he played on the superstition of the day and mentioned a curse upon any editors of his work. The KJV we have today is not the original, the Apocrypha was removed and some 22 other books mentioned in it are no longer available.
The KJV is a good source of information but it is far lacking in being complete. If we had a complete and accurate set of holy scriptures, it would probably be a 30 volume set of books.
One more thing. If the writings we read today were truly inspired of God, then why does it have footnotes telling of other possible meanings?
Hmmm

Flat Lick, KY

#20 May 28, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
Yeah, it's interesting that I don't hear Christians discussing the Apocrypha or why those texts were excluded. I suspect that many of them have never even heard of it.
<quoted text>
So, what's your theory?

“Smokin”

Since: May 12

Strawberry Fields of Dreams

#21 May 28, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
Yeah, it's interesting that I don't hear Christians discussing the Apocrypha or why those texts were excluded. I suspect that many of them have never even heard of it.
<quoted text>
The excuses that I get are that the Apocrypha was not inspired or its actual authors were suspect.

Actually the four gospels were written anonymously and the names Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John were added about a century later. You can google the "Q" document and find some interesting reading about the four gospels. The "Q" document doesn't exist but I agree with some scholars that it did at one time and was the source of the four gospels.

You are right that many Christians have never heard of the Apocrypha. I was unaware of it until about 20 years ago but have since read it all on line. Most people aren't even aware that another 22 books mentioned in the Bible are not included anymore even though the Apostles and Christ Himself quoted from them. You can google "lost books of the Bible" and read about them, some do still exist. From what I have found out, those missing books had to be some awesome reading.

Since: Apr 10

Location hidden

#24 May 28, 2013
It depends on who you ask. Is there any legitamate authoriy among men who get together and deem what is "cannon?" Not really. I don't really care because the Bible and Apocrypha are mythology. How does one discern the truth in complete fiction?
Hmmm wrote:
<quoted text>
Why the Apoc texts were excluded.
fred

Cheyenne, WY

#25 Jun 1, 2013
West point wrote:
Kjv says do not except another gospel except what is already been preached.
google it.
What is meant for us is what is been for over 200 yrs here in America, and now a bunch of dif gospels clamer for attention and say take me I am the one.
I dont think so.
Last chapter of Revelation says when you add to or take away from this book, your part will be taken out of the lamb's book of life.
Kjv is meant for us, because God let it be translated the way he saw fit.
people just want to stick their head in the fire and find out the hard way.
fred

Cheyenne, WY

#26 Jun 1, 2013
Anti-theist wrote:
It depends on who you ask. Is there any legitamate authoriy among men who get together and deem what is "cannon?" Not really. I don't really care because the Bible and Apocrypha are mythology. How does one discern the truth in complete fiction?
<quoted text>
like you said. depends on who you ask.
a fellow like yourself is of no authority on the word of god because you dont have his spirit. you are not a fit judge to ask, because you are biased with hatred already.
truth

London, KY

#27 Jun 1, 2013
When a man who is honestly mistaken hears the truth, he will either
quit being mistaken, or cease to be honest.--Unknown

Is it acceptable to just admit ignorance on the subject? What's the point in believing or not believing anyway? Would either affect how your actions shape the future? With complete ignorance of reality, the church proudly stands in the shadow of the pagan cross Constantine mandated as its symbol, claiming to be the true church of Jesus while teaching the doctrines of men.

Condemn those who refuse to open their minds! NOBODY knows all the answers, and religion certainly is a PATHETIC, IRRATIONAL, FICTIONAL man-made bunch of NONSENSE that only confuses the issue even further, especiasly when most can't or don't understand. According to the Bible, Jesus taught in parables so that his listeners would not understand. He had to teach the meaning of these parables to His disciples in private. Most still don't understand.

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