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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 149616 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#115609 Oct 28, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Is genocide good or bad?
Punishment of evil = Good!
Choose Righteousness unto Life, or sin unto death!
Life is a choice!
What is your sin that you need so badly to die for?
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#115610 Oct 28, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Sin? That's one of those words that doesn't actually mean anything because it doesn't refer to a real thing.
It's in good company because there are plenty of other meaningless words that also fail to refer to something real. Words like:
Sin, blasphemy, heaven, hell, holy ghost, Jehovah, Jesus, salvation, damnation, Satan, etc.
That's what you THINK!
We on the other hand KNOW!
See... sick people like you (as we were) think it's ok to hump everything that moves, and if you get pregnant... cut it out!
It's one of those things you think is Nothing...
You will see how much it means!
You will be ashamed!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#115611 Oct 28, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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If the main bathroom is occupied then I have no problem with a boy using the girls room.
I certainly don't need any invisible sky pixie to tell me what's right and wrong.
Amongst other things, your religion means defending genocide and infanticide. It means you approve of the murder of homosexuals, as well as anyone else who wishes to exercise religious freedom.
Furthermore, you base your whole moral system on an unproveable supernatural being. You've already demonstrated that this means you're prepared to kill for those morals.
You'll excuse me if I prefer the foundation of good solid non-belief for building my ethics. My morals can be based on verifiable common interests, known causes and known consequences.
One thing you forget... you cannot even use words like Morals, Good, and ethics, as those are religious words...
No! you can only use words like Preference...
You do not WANT to do what it takes to get proof of God, because
you are Afraid to KNOW what we Know!
God is real, and in Romans 1... it proves you do too!
Imagine... a Book that spoke of you... Long ago!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#115612 Oct 28, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
Except your god's great plan is a failure. Of all the humans who have ever lived and who are yet to live - only a small amount will end up in heaven.
Seems to me that the red one wins - he gets most of the souls.
What does the red one win?
Damnation???
Oh that's a good one!
If that's the case, I hope you are in the short line!
Yes and Amen

Richmond, KY

#115613 Oct 28, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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I don't expect any god to step in and save the children and babies because I don't believe in any gods.
However Y and A doesn't only believe in his god but he also believes his god personally stepped in and helped him out.
When Y and A sees the thousands of children and babies that die every day, he must think that his god values his life far more than he values theirs.
Not at all!
I know children that die, go straight to the Father!
I on the other hand, I have to stay here, and contend with
people that are wise in their own conceit!
I will be here until His return, Internet gets wiped out, or
until He says otherwise!
If one of you opens your eyes to see... it will be worth it!
Thank you Jesus!
Amen!
amanda

Pikeville, KY

#115614 Oct 28, 2013
There would be nothing wrong with teaching the bible from a scholarly, historical perspective. Maybe have classes on the major religions as well. Any text that tells us so much about who we are is certainly of great academic value. However, the bible should not be taught in amanner that seeks to convert. Yes, that would be wrong and unfair to children who aren't christian. Just imagine if your child was being forced to learn the koran in a manner that wasn't purely scholarly.
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#115615 Oct 28, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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Consider this:
A perfect and omniscient entity like the god of the Bible (who we hear is positively overflowing with love for his people) creates a primitive and barbaric justice system and expects his creation to enact it.
or
A primitive and barbaric people produce tales of a primitive and barbaric god who wants his followers to follow a primitive and barbaric justice system. Which, co-incidentally, is the only kind of justice these people know.
I know which one I would opt for.
I'd opt for neither, because they're both the same.
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#115616 Oct 28, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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I don't expect any god to step in and save the children and babies because I don't believe in any gods.
However Y and A doesn't only believe in his god but he also believes his god personally stepped in and helped him out.
When Y and A sees the thousands of children and babies that die every day, he must think that his god values his life far more than he values theirs.
Why would any one keep harping on such a delusionary type scenario then? It makes no sense.

Perhaps you shouldn't speak for what someone else might (or even more so) might NOT, "think".

When something is helpful posatively for people, and it's of no harm to others, then it IS valuable.

Please don't EVER attempt to chair anything like AA meetings (or anything similar).
You're extreme negativety would poison the decades enduring program, and that would NOT be good for people. Not at all.
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#115617 Oct 28, 2013
Khatru wrote:
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You don't believe in untold billions of people being tortured for eternity by the god of the Bible?
I believe there was much suffering on earth amongst many people through out the civilization as we know know it, and I believe the Bible is one recorded documentation of some of it.
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#115618 Oct 28, 2013
Khatru wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not a scientist but when it comes to explaining our reality I do believe in the unparalleled success of the scientific method.
Just because it hasn't found answers for everything doesn't mean the answer is superstition and myth.
<quoted text>
They don't but your belief in them shows how low you set the bar when it comes to evidence of your god.
<quoted text>
From your bible - cleansing ritual for lepers.
Get two birds. Kill one. Dip the live bird in the blood of the dead one. Sprinkle the blood on the leper seven times, and then let the blood-soaked bird fly away.
Next find a lamb and kill it. Wipe some of its blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle seven times with oil and wipe some of the oil on his right ear, thumb and big toe.
Repeat.
Finally, find another pair of birds. Kill one and dip the live bird in the dead bird's blood. Wipe some blood on the patient's right ear, thumb, and big toe. Sprinkle the house with blood 7 times.
There - that's all there is to it
In the 1800's when "consumption" (ie: tuberculosis) was at plague levels, people thought those affilcted with it had been poisoned by vampires.
Some of the remedies attempted were pretty gruesome-even having the exact opposite intention of "curing", when in fact, it just spread the (then unknown at the time) germ worse.
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"Physicians in ancient Greece called this illness "phthisis" to reflect its wasting character. During the 17th and 18th centuries, TB caused up to 25% of all deaths in Europe. In more recent times, tuberculosis has been called "consumption."

•Robert Koch isolated the tubercle bacillus in 1882 and established TB as an infectious disease.
&#9702;In the 19th century, patients were isolated in sanatoria and given treatments such as injecting air into the chest cavity. Attempts were made to decrease lung size by surgery called thoracoplasty.
&#9702;During the first half of the 20th century, no effective treatment was available.
&#9702;Streptomycin, the first antibiotic to fight TB, was introduced in 1946, and isoniazid (Laniazid, Nydrazid), originally an antidepressant medication, became available in 1952.
( emedicinehealth.com )
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Not until 1952..1952... did any actual scientific "breakthrough" in treatment become available.

Does that mean that all of humanity was just "dark age stupid" until such time?

I don't think so. It just means it took THAT long, to find treatment that worked.
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#115619 Oct 28, 2013
non believer wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes a joke and google is one of the tools to debunk and help those in a cult to think they may be fooled by charlatans.
Example:
"I'm praying to Jesus to bless these ink pens and to those who will donate money to build a christian ministry in north korea for the unsaved children souls that has been denied the water of life. I will sent each and every one of you these blessed ink pens with baby Jesus picture on them for you donation "
How many I wonder would send money. A lawyer that appears on T.V. holding a bible in his hand to show clients he is a honest and righteous man.
I had the pleasure many years ago, of corresponding with a lovely person, who was part of a ministry that brought clean, running water and a small educational system to a rather remote area of people in Papua, New Guinee.
Met her in a laundromatt one day-while she was in between assignments...both of us being the down to earth, simple, humble living types, we just struck up a pleasant conversation that day.

She never asked for a penny, not the first time, through out the whole time we corresponded. Just friendly correspondences from Papua, New Guinee and back to state side US, while she was helping (quite HUMBLY then still I might add) make the world better for people in remote places.

What if no one ever supported THAT type of work (as you seem to suggest people are fooliish to do so?)
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#115620 Oct 28, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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You might have gained a grain of credibility if you'd ever addressed YaA and Curious with the same indignant self-righteousness you reserve for skeptics. But you didn't and so are still just a troll.
YaA is just usually defending his faith...something he really shouldn't have to do, but it gives you bonehead types something to whine about so...I then say-carry on, right back at 'em YaA.

You have something against nice trolls? At least I don't have a troll booth schemed and plotted, waiting on you duhmazz wormy types.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#115621 Oct 28, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
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You are a counterfeit you are not the real "Known Fact"
You aren't registered, and since you've always been in the infra-red when it comes to having any "known facts", you have less right to the moniker, anyway.
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#115622 Oct 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>God gave the ok to torture Job.
Do you condemn god for this?
How many times do I have to say-I am not into all that CONdemnation stuff. So you can stop torturing about it.
(if I take a notion to reread all that however, I'll let ya know)
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#115623 Oct 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>So you do acknowledge the or as part of the bible yet continue to claim the bible does not promote labeling of groups in a bigoted manner?
But I showed the NT does this also.
But please take what I said out of context as you did here and ignore most everything else I said. It is your MO. All the atheists here have recognized this is your MO.
You condemn labeling yet the bible does it, and you just can't admit this.
Now keep dancing around this main point some more in order to divert.
Those are your twisted distortions unot others, and your spews of hypocritical judgements, not mine.

I see the book for what it is, a book of many aspects, written by mortals, preserved for milleniums.

But then again, I am NOT an atheist, so naturally, I WOULD see things differently then you.
You have a problem with THAT-eh?
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#115624 Oct 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>How does it show mistakes? I see the bible claims many of atrocities were good things. So just were does one get his moral compass from if it is not from the instructions of the bible?
Strange you condemn us daily for what the bible also does. So spare me the ego bs. You sound like one giant ego.
>How does it show mistakes? I see the bible claims many of atrocities were good things. So just were does one get his moral compass from if it is not from the instructions of the bible?

What, what is THIS you say?
Are you finally getting what I have been saying all along?

What?

So, why then do you "condemn" MY perspective of it then?

Which is Duquette, it's either valuable for showing the IMPERFECTIONS of humanity through out civilization, or it's not.
So far, you have vehemently been ranting that it's NOT.

Which is Duquette?

You can now spare me YOUR ego-obviously I do NOT need YOU to THINK for me...especially since it took YOU so long to figure out the SIMPLICITY in just what I've been saying all along.

DUH (DUH, DUH) duhmmy.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#115625 Oct 28, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
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Punishment of evil = Good!
So genocide is ok in your mind. Wow.

Yaa, you are sick.
Your unbearable shame at the things you have done (and, of course, the drugs) have crippled your mind.

You scream about abortions yet admit you would kill your own child should that voice in your head tell you to.

Your family should get help for you before you hurt someone.
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#115626 Oct 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>First, you have yet to point out what I supposedly lied about.
Second, you condemn daily on this thread, hypocrite.
Third, the bible condemns constantly.
This is a debate forum. Their is a major dispute of what is allowable by government. The theists feel Government should be promoting their holy book.
I disagree this is a good thing.
We get it, you had those who condemn except yourself and the bible. Well maybe you do hate yourself and the bible but you just are scared to admit it.
I believe in promoting ethics over unethical, integrity over charlatinism, decency over indecency, morality over immorality, civility over uncivilness, humaness over inhumane, kindness and humbleness over greed and arrogance, and a whole lot of other worthwhile qualities, over their not so good oppositions.

I don't care WHERE anyone reads it from to learn the worthwhile attributes, and the differences from the NOT so worthwhile ones, so long as they do.

And I do not believe in propagating "hatred" and that includes of myself OR the Bible.

Perhaps that is YOUR own personal issue? You would rather propogate hatred?
I personally TRY to get beyond that type of garbage, when ever possible anyway, thank you.
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#115627 Oct 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>We serve a purpose also buddy. But that never stopped your ego from condemning us.
And please do not speak at me with such CONdensation, there's really no need to.
SistaNoneYa

Manchester, KY

#115628 Oct 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Do you always divert?
You have refused the point I have made repeatedly. I will continue to make the point. Rebut when you grow a pair.
WRONG genetics for that ever happening.

Just another incorrect assumption on your part.

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