Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,849

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#113880 Oct 2, 2013
Known Fact wrote:
<quoted text>
Where can I find this account? Is it recorded in the Bible or a figment of your imagination?
Try reading what Moses did when he came down from the mountain. I am sure your indoctrination avoided the parts of utter horror and immorality of its founders.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#113881 Oct 2, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Says I; of course you would say that for public consumption. The problem is that Atheists are on record as
stating their preference in believing that believers are more trustworthy than their fellow Atheists.
Of course you make a self serving statement that you would trust mike,lol and Chrom since they are intelligent ,thoughtful , honest individuals without providing any facts to support that OPINION.
That's right, honey. You find a survey that supports what you want to be true and hang on to it like a dog with an old bone, no matter how ridiculous you look. If it makes you feel better about your bigotry.....oh well.
curious wrote:
<quoted text> Says I You fail to mention that it is because of our corrupt human nature that laws are needed in order to point out our human frailties .
I didn't say we didn't need LAWS, did I?
A healthy society requires laws. CIVIL laws, not religious ones.
curious wrote:
<quoted text> Western civilization is based primarily on the moral code contained in the Bible , not in the noncode that atheism subscribes to.
BS. This has been disproven so many times. Pay attention.
Let's take a good look at those 10 "commandments."

#1 -- No other gods? Religious freedom.
#2 -- Graven images?(Been inside a church lately?)
#3 -- Lords name in vain? hardly.
#4 -- Sabbath? 99% of the population would be imprisoned or worse.
#5 -- How about not respecting your mom and dad? nope.
#7 -- Is adultery illegal? nope.
#9 -- Lies? Not illegal outside of when you specifically swear not to lie.
#10-- Coveting? Nothing illegal about wanting provided you don't steal.

Only #6 and #8... murder and stealing... are civil LAWS.

Those go back farther, much farther (to 1772 BCE in Babylonia) to The Code of Hammurabi.
A civilized society does not tolerate murder and stealing.
curious wrote:
<quoted text> Do atheists have a moral code ,where can it be found and what is it based on?
I can't speak for all atheists (as you seem to think that you can) but I think the majority would say “What you do not want done to yourself, do not do to others.” Confucius (551-479 BC). Which was also way before "do unto others...., you'll notice.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#113882 Oct 2, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text> Says I Some things exist and may not be seen. the atheist nonsense that when they wrong someone they seek that person out and make amends can not be seen because it is nonexistent.
Cite me one instance where this supposedly has taken place or where it is practiced. and by whom.
Pretty sure that something doesn't exist just because you haven't seen it.
Sorry, you can't have that argument. It belongs to us. LOL!
curious wrote:
<quoted text> Says I So what you are saying is that as a child when we deny having committed an act for which we are guilty , we are not lying , we are giving an excuse for our behaviour. WOW LOL
No, fool. An excuse for your behavior is not the same as a lie.
Not if the excuse is truthful.
curious wrote:
<quoted text> says I. Human nature tends to do what is natural , that is why laws are needed to let us know right from wrong. If expecting us to do the decent thing was part of our human nature there would be no need for laws for we would automatically do the right thing.
And you are right , human nature ,because it is corrupt , sets to low a standard.
Human nature is not "corrupt." Human nature is about survival.
Most will do what is perceived as necessary to survive.
History has shown us that working together as a society increases our survival rate. That is why we do it. We learn altruism; we are not born with it.
curious wrote:
<quoted text> That is why some may claim to have never done anything for which they need be ashamed , merely embarassed..
wetting your pants in public is embarrassing , so is releasing gas at the dinner table,realizing you left your wallet home when you go to pay the restaurant check is embarrassing.
Running out of the restaurant in order tot to pay there bill is shameful.
No. That is illegal. It is stealing.
curious wrote:
<quoted text> After reading all the nonsense and excuses that you posted , I can well understand why Atheists find believers more trustworthy than their fellow Atheists.
Thanks for clearing that up for me ,UMMM
You understand nothing.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#113883 Oct 2, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
LOLOL! Still don't know how.
You got that right , nothing to be ASHAMED OFF ,rather embarassing
LOL

Does that entitle me to join you and yours in celebrating your national Holiday on April the 1st.

BTW Some friendly advice that you should consider following.

Und nun komm, auf schniegle
Nimm die schlechten lumpen hüllen
Bisteile nun, und geheeile nun, und gehe
schon lange knecht gewesen:
nun komm erfülle meinen illen!
Auf zwei einen stehe,
mit dem Wassertopf!oben sei und
schon lange altergehe der Kopf,
schlechten du Besen

You used the same M.O. when you were posting with another of your many monikers UMMM

Soe things never change;
zangano entonces
Y zangano ahora

Testa di cipolla
Arrividerci Tutsun

telsueesfiuoynacerugiftitounat alrahc

Playing mental games with simple minds is one of my favorite pastimes

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#113884 Oct 2, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Hey nipplenose
Oh, so you wanna go there? Aright y then.

Not sure about you, but I'm perfectly happy being called nipple nose, the best place for my nose to be. I'll just put my face right in between my wife's 2 nipples and say ummmm, ummmm, good, cuz she's so good and being sooooo bad!!!

Now that you've opened up that avenue, I have a name that fits you perfectly! Dic Head
dadada

Gainesboro, TN

#113886 Oct 2, 2013
concerned wrote:
The danger in teaching the Bible is that this book has the power to create faith even in an atheist. If it is allowed to be taught there is a strong possibility someone could be converted to Jesus Christ. Under the current world views is it possible to allow such a powerful tool for good to be taught in public schools and that before the young minds of the future?
well
sufer

Gainesboro, TN

#113887 Oct 2, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
You got that right , nothing to be ASHAMED OFF ,rather embarassing
LOL
Does that entitle me to join you and yours in celebrating your national Holiday on April the 1st.
BTW Some friendly advice that you should consider following.
Und nun komm, auf schniegle
Nimm die schlechten lumpen hüllen
Bisteile nun, und geheeile nun, und gehe
schon lange knecht gewesen:
nun komm erfülle meinen illen!
Auf zwei einen stehe,
mit dem Wassertopf!oben sei und
schon lange altergehe der Kopf,
schlechten du Besen
You used the same M.O. when you were posting with another of your many monikers UMMM
Soe things never change;
zangano entonces
Y zangano ahora
Testa di cipolla
Arrividerci Tutsun
telsueesfiuoynacerugiftitounat alrahc
Playing mental games with simple minds is one of my favorite pastimes
wewewe

Since: Feb 12

Roseville, CA

#113888 Oct 2, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
You got that right , nothing to be ASHAMED OFF ,rather embarassing
LOL
Does that entitle me to join you and yours in celebrating your national Holiday on April the 1st.
BTW Some friendly advice that you should consider following.
Und nun komm, auf schniegle
Nimm die schlechten lumpen hüllen
Bisteile nun, und geheeile nun, und gehe
schon lange knecht gewesen:
nun komm erfülle meinen illen!
Auf zwei einen stehe,
mit dem Wassertopf!oben sei und
schon lange altergehe der Kopf,
schlechten du Besen
You used the same M.O. when you were posting with another of your many monikers UMMM
Soe things never change;
zangano entonces
Y zangano ahora
Testa di cipolla
Arrividerci Tutsun
telsueesfiuoynacerugiftitounat alrahc
Playing mental games with simple minds is one of my favorite pastimes
The Witch really kick your ass. See you had no God to help you out. You're not alone so don't cry. None of you wannabe bible thumpers are a match for atheists on this thread. You're out match by them. You're out match on any atheist forum.

Du whut is a good debater and more mature, he knew it was time to leave the thread. You and sistaNoNothing tic act like children here and are sorry debaters.

I hope you are enlighten by the Witch's replies to your sorry yapping. Keep yapping and atheists will have to take your ass to the shed for another spanking.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#113889 Oct 2, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
You got that right , nothing to be ASHAMED OFF ,rather embarassing
LOL
Does that entitle me to join you and yours in celebrating your national Holiday on April the 1st.
BTW Some friendly advice that you should consider following.
Und nun komm, auf schniegle
Nimm die schlechten lumpen hüllen
Bisteile nun, und geheeile nun, und gehe
schon lange knecht gewesen:
nun komm erfülle meinen illen!
Auf zwei einen stehe,
mit dem Wassertopf!oben sei und
schon lange altergehe der Kopf,
schlechten du Besen
You used the same M.O. when you were posting with another of your many monikers UMMM
Soe things never change;
zangano entonces
Y zangano ahora
Testa di cipolla
Arrividerci Tutsun
telsueesfiuoynacerugiftitounat alrahc
Playing mental games with simple minds is one of my favorite pastimes
What? No more defense of your foolish beliefs?
Just want to play games?
No, thanks.

By the way, here is how to do the "quote and response" thingy, since with all your mighty intellect, you can't seem to figure it out.
----------
Hit "reply."
When you come to a statement that you want to reply to, type [/ Q U O
T E ].
Type your response.
Copy the [Q U O T E who="whoever"] and paste it at the beginning of the next part of the person's quote.
When you come to a statement that you want to reply to again, type [/ Q U O T E].

Got it? Enclose all the other person's replies in the "quote" and "end quote" symbols.

Glad I could help.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#113890 Oct 2, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
You got that right , nothing to be ASHAMED OFF ,rather embarassing
LOL
Does that entitle me to join you and yours in celebrating your national Holiday on April the 1st.
BTW Some friendly advice that you should consider following.
Und nun komm, auf schniegle
Nimm die schlechten lumpen hüllen
Bisteile nun, und geheeile nun, und gehe
schon lange knecht gewesen:
nun komm erfülle meinen illen!
Auf zwei einen stehe,
mit dem Wassertopf!oben sei und
schon lange altergehe der Kopf,
schlechten du Besen
You used the same M.O. when you were posting with another of your many monikers UMMM
Soe things never change;
zangano entonces
Y zangano ahora
Testa di cipolla
Arrividerci Tutsun
telsueesfiuoynacerugiftitounat alrahc
Playing mental games with simple minds is one of my favorite pastimes
I notice you have no defense of your foolish beliefs, so you try to change the subject.
Using other languages only makes you appear foolish in other languages.
No games.(Like reading words backwards is difficult. Duh)
Either act like an adult and discuss the topic or go away.

By the way, to do the "reply and respond" thingy, simply begin the other person's quotes with [Q-U-O-T-E WHO="whoever"] and end their quotes with [/ Q-U-O-T-E](without the dashes and spaces, of course.
Glad I could help.

(I posted this earlier but it seems to have gotten lost in Topix If the other one shows up, I apologize for the double post.)

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#113891 Oct 2, 2013
LOLOL! And there it is! Amazing.....

Since: Sep 13

United States of America

#113892 Oct 2, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Atheists do not violate any of their rules because they don't have any rules. With them ,anything goes.
that is why Witchetty can proudly claim,to her shame , that she has never committed an act for which she needs feel ashamed.
That is the same thing she said while using one of her other monikers ,Kitten Kodder.
It would appear that is the self same reason why Atheists trust believers more than they do other atheists.
In a community where the moral code is selected by each individual to fit his or her desires , who can you trust?
In other words ,if I only fear the law ,and am conniving enough to commit my deeds without getting caught , then I supposedly am home free.
The mafia and other criminals are very adept at that tactic.
That is how human nature works.
As Christians , we arte not perfect ,but ,we are forgiven , because we confess to Our God and Jesus Christ that we are sinful by nature.
We acknowledge and confess our sinful nature.
Atheists claim that when they commit a wrong , they will go to the person they wronged and ask for forgiveness.
On paper that sounds good , in real life , it is a farce.
In my many years on this Earth I have never witnessed such an event.
Self righteousnes is a pollutant.
Human nature denies wrong doing ,it does not admit to it.
How many times have you seen a criminal admit to having committed a crime ,even with overwhelming evidence to his crime.
How many times have you done something wrong and denied having done it?
Do you believe witchetty when she claims to have never done anything for which she needs feel ashamed?
If you do , then you need submit her name so she can be cannonized.
Your first sentence, Wrong. Every time you assume something you do nothing but make an a$$ of yourself. What can one expect when the bible itself promotes hatred of the non believer in Psalm 14. It reality, the secular commit less violent crimes such as murder than that of the religious, according to a study conducted from the late 80's to as recent as 2009. 0.2% of prisoners in the USA were Atheist > If religion, prayer, or God-belief hindered criminal behavior, and secularity or atheism fostered lawlessness, we would expect to find the most religious nations having the lowest murder rates and the least religious nations having the highest. But we find just the opposite.
Murder rates are actually lower in more secular nations and higher in more religious nations where belief in God is deep and widespread.

Again, Show your sources and post the link that states Atheist trust believers more than other Atheist. If you cannot, then your statement has as much weight as an onion sack full of air!
Yes and Amen

Stanton, KY

#113894 Oct 3, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, Such a brilliant display of Christianity!
That whole statement just added heat to your hell!
Christ called people Vipers, and Evil generation...
Nipple nose???
At least he didn't call you a Tard!
Tard!
Yes and Amen

Stanton, KY

#113895 Oct 3, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
...and BTW, the CC wasn't started 300 years later, it was recognized by Roman leadership at that time.
The Jewish Bible was, and is correct before Catholic intervention, and the reformation clarified it!
Dead sea scrolls dating to 70ish AD proves the writings clear!
Constantine bastardized the Christian belief with paganism...
NOT the same Bible!
Yes and Amen

Stanton, KY

#113896 Oct 3, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right. I am not very good a trolling. Something that i don't practice .
Unlike others who shall remain unmentioned , that is not my chosen profession.
Nevertheless ,if I ever decide to take it up I hope to be able to call on you for your abundant expertise in that field.
In the meanwhile ,keep counting the days for the coming of your National Holiday, April the 1st...
Great post!
God Bless :-)
Yes and Amen

Stanton, KY

#113897 Oct 3, 2013
stuck in a lodi wrote:
<quoted text>
I realize this is very difficult for your dim-witted, non-functioning cerebral cortex to grasp, so I will try to explain this so that you might finally understand,{not like this has been covered countless times}
Hypocrite: a person who claims or pretends to have certain beliefs about what is right but who behaves in a way that disagrees with those beliefs.
Curious has claimed that his religious beliefs are right, he has publicly announced that he is a firm believer in the bible, Christianity, and god/jesus and all the responsibilities and convictions that statement carries with it.
When confessing that belief, you then become responsible for your conduct, and your thoughts.
Now, with that being said, I never made these rules, your god did. It has been clearly noted on this thread that you Sista, Curious, and YaA defy those specific orders set in stone by the very one you "supposedly" pay homage to!
What part of this do you and your colleagues not understand?
And you guys THINK you're Tolerant, and Non-Bigoted???
Hypocrite fits you very well!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#113898 Oct 3, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
Your comparing a business advertisement to a Scientific study performed by trained professionals of a reputable university
is beyond comprehension.
Your claim that I applaud bigotry and discrimination is equally absurd and shows your lack of comprehension.
" It's an analytic thing , you wouldn't understand."
The point being that your efforts and those of atheists, to push their religious Atheistic beliefs on an unsuspecting public is at the very least immoral.
Scientific studies point to the fact that Atheists have a greater amount of suicides ,are more likely to abuse drugs and alcohol ,have a greater risk of mental and other health issues than believers... Why is that?
On the positive side , 20% of atheists attend regular religious services. Why is that?
Atheists find Believers to be more trustworthy than their fellow atheists. Why is that?
Analyzing that data one would logically conclude that there is something inherently wrong with Atheism which causes IT'S MEMBERS
to have these inordinate amount of mental and behavioural problems.
Why , if they do not believe in God and his teachings , do they find it necessary to attend religious services?
Why do they trust believers more than they do their own?
Something in that equation that does not make sense, wouldn't you agree?
A survey is not strictly a "scientific study." The interpretation by an esteemed professor regarding a poll is more opinion than hard and fast black and white conclusion. Have you never heard that "Psychiatry is not an exact science"?
Do you choose to be selective in your understanding of social dynamics to prop up your assertions or are you merely incapable of discerning the various and embedded sociological factors? Either way, I surmise it would be a tedious and unfruitful chore to elaborate on them for you. For what reason would someone place an Icthys or a crucifix on their business advertisement? To promote an image of trustworthiness, of course - and being a long established practice, it is interwoven with the marketplace and hence, society. This transparent and overt usage is hardly askance of the study or "beyond comprehension." Do you find this use of the symbols acceptable when even the U.S. Flag Code prohibits the flag of being used for advertising? I've found that the more vocal the devout, the more difficult it is to determine the line between disingenuous and genuinely obtuse.(However, from exchanges with Topix Xtians and having been burned for $2,400 on a transmission from a fish and cross boasting shop owner, I'm leaning toward disingenuous.)
I do not attempt to push an atheistic 'belief'(whatever you think that is). I merely state my own disbelief in the wholesale and retail sets of FABRICATIONS that have been foisted upon the willing and hopeful drones.
I do not know why "they" attend religious services - the reasons could be assorted and surprising. Perhaps it is because of peer pressure, to accompany a family member or to appease and acquire contacts. Perhaps some are sincerely seeking a spiritual revelation. Does your >Bigotry and Prejudice< demand that you rail against them, too? On the positive side, you do realize that it indicates that a surprising number among the congregations are not dim enough to swallow what the clergy is dishing out?
Yes and Amen

Stanton, KY

#113899 Oct 3, 2013
Goat Lovers are next!

Several schools, districts, and individual teachers across the country are expected to promote Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender History Month to students during October.
But the Pacific Justice Institute is issuing a warning to parents, saying gay history in school is inappropriate.
The group points to the main website for LGBT history month, which highlights "historical figures" in the LGBT movement.
Among the usual activists and celebrities are individuals whose work is X-rated, including a man known for his contribution to gay porn and a bisexual erotic fiction author.
"It is deeply disturbing that the organizers of LGBT History Month think our kids should be celebrating homoerotic authors and porn producers," Brad Dacus, president of Pacific Justice Institute, said.
"This should be a serious wake-up call for anyone who still thinks gay history in schools is a good idea," he warned.
PJI Staff Attorney Matthew McReynolds added, "This is exactly why we fought California's gay history mandate a couple of years ago."
"We knew this was not about real history," he continued. "It was about pushing a political agenda and sexualizing kids at increasingly young ages. It is completely irresponsible for the organizers of this event to promote individuals whose work is utterly inappropriate for minors."

This is the lack of Morals shining Bright!

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#113901 Oct 3, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>The Jewish Bible was, and is correct before Catholic intervention, and the reformation clarified it!
Dead sea scrolls dating to 70ish AD proves the writings clear!
Constantine bastardized the Christian belief with paganism...
NOT the same Bible!
The "Jewish Bible" does not recognize Christ and you are CLEARLY NOT knowledgeable or objective enough to pronounce what is correct and what is moth-eaten propaganda. Primarily, the Protestant Reformation splintered the wealth and power base held by the papacy and its representatives, but it did not appreciably change the tenets and rituals that had been established in Constantinople and Rome. There are no New Testament references in the Dead Sea Scrolls, and only about 40% of them contain information regarding the Tanakh, anyway.
The bastardization started with Paul, but you are right that it sure as heck didn't end with him.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#113902 Oct 3, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
Goat Lovers are next!
Several schools, districts, and individual teachers across the country are expected to promote Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender History Month to students during October.
But the Pacific Justice Institute is issuing a warning to parents, saying gay history in school is inappropriate.
The group points to the main website for LGBT history month, which highlights "historical figures" in the LGBT movement.
Among the usual activists and celebrities are individuals whose work is X-rated, including a man known for his contribution to gay porn and a bisexual erotic fiction author.
"It is deeply disturbing that the organizers of LGBT History Month think our kids should be celebrating homoerotic authors and porn producers," Brad Dacus, president of Pacific Justice Institute, said.
"This should be a serious wake-up call for anyone who still thinks gay history in schools is a good idea," he warned.
PJI Staff Attorney Matthew McReynolds added, "This is exactly why we fought California's gay history mandate a couple of years ago."
"We knew this was not about real history," he continued. "It was about pushing a political agenda and sexualizing kids at increasingly young ages. It is completely irresponsible for the organizers of this event to promote individuals whose work is utterly inappropriate for minors."
This is the lack of Morals shining Bright!
Good grief, when are we going to run out of "__________ History, Awareness and Appreciation" days/weeks/months? As it is, even Memorial Day has largely been relegated to lawn care and sweatpants sales. As far as your "moral" intolerance, well - we already know about that. You don't have to shove your hatefulness in our faces again, YaA.

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