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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 167639 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#107595 Jun 27, 2013
Khubala wrote:
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What is this magic that you are referring to?
Is that like believing that nothing created something from nothing and thus the creation of the Universe and everything therein?
Magic. Like believing in talking snakes and people rising from the grave. Magic.

The idea of a universe from nothing is rooted in scientific evidence. Truth is we don't know how the universe got started...yet. But we sure as hell don't revert to magical thinking to fill in the void of our ignorance.

Science takes time and actual work.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#107596 Jun 27, 2013
Khubala wrote:
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Atheism and suicide
From Conservapedia...
Aaaaaaand you lose the argument when you quote Conservapedia.

Nobody....NOBODY...takes Conservapedia seriously except the totally insane.
love

Springfield, NJ

#107597 Jun 27, 2013
Love
ProvenScience

Manchester, KY

#107598 Jun 27, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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which Kukla would call, MAGIC.
Who says logic, science and religion can't coexist? All it takes is some REALLY old fashioned imagination.
On a scale of 1-30, I shall assign your response a score of TEN, as in 10, as in F/F...as in... TRY harder, for at Least some Originality anyway lol.
ProvenScience

Manchester, KY

#107599 Jun 27, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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Magic. Like believing in talking snakes and people rising from the grave. Magic.
The idea of a universe from nothing is rooted in scientific evidence. Truth is we don't know how the universe got started...yet. But we sure as hell don't revert to magical thinking to fill in the void of our ignorance.
Science takes time and actual work.
Oh gee...now there's a CONCEPT, friend of few and foreign to many....

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107601 Jun 27, 2013
Khubala wrote:
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Atheism and suicide
From Conservapedia
Concerning atheism and suicide, although there are recent studies relating to atheism being a causal factor for suicide in some individuals, an early proponent of atheism being a causal factor for suicide in some individuals was the Reverend Dr. Robert Stuart MacArthur.[1][2][3]
In 1894, the NY Times declared regarding atheism and suicide:
“ Dr. Martin urged that a great cause of suicide was atheism. It was, he said, a remarkable fact that where atheism prevailed most, there suicides were most numerous. In Paris, a recent census showed one suicide to every 2,700 of the population. After the publication of Paine's "Age of Reason" suicides increased.[4]”
The same NY Times article quotes the Reverend Dr. MacArthur describing suicide in the following manner:
“ It is mean and not manly; it is dastardly and not daring. A man who involves his innocent wife and children in financial disaster and disgrace and takes his life and leaves them to bear the burden he was unwilling to bear, is a coward.[5]”
In 2004, the American Journal of Psychiatry reported the following:
“ Religiously unaffiliated subjects had significantly more lifetime suicide attempts and more first-degree relatives who committed suicide than subjects who endorsed a religious affiliation. Unaffiliated subjects were younger, less often married, less often had children, and had less contact with family members. Furthermore, subjects with no religious affiliation perceived fewer reasons for living, particularly fewer moral objections to suicide. In terms of clinical characteristics, religiously unaffiliated subjects had more lifetime impulsivity, aggression, and past substance use disorder. No differences in the level of subjective and objective depression, hopelessness, or stressful life events were found.[6]”
The website Adherents.com reported the following in respect to atheism and suicide:
“ Pitzer College sociologist Phil Zuckerman compiled country-by-country survey, polling and census numbers relating to atheism, agnosticism, disbelief in God and people who state they are non-religious or have no religious preference. These data were published in the chapter titled "Atheism: Contemporary Rates and Patterns" in The Cambridge Companion to Atheism, ed. by Michael Martin, Cambridge University Press: Cambridge, UK (2005). In examining various indicators of societal health, Zuckerman concludes about suicide:
"Concerning suicide rates, this is the one indicator of societal health in which religious nations fare much better than secular nations. According to the 2003 World Health Organization's report on international male suicides rates (which compared 100 countries), of the top ten nations with the highest male suicide rates, all but one (Sri Lanka) are strongly irreligious nations with high levels of atheism. It is interesting to note, however, that of the top remaining nine nations leading the world in male suicide rates, all are former Soviet/Communist nations, such as Belarus, Ukraine, and Latvia. Of the bottom ten nations with the lowest male suicide rates, all are highly religious nations with statistically insignificant levels of organic atheism
Piffle. It's not as if most fundies give a rat's patoot about non-believers or mental health.
known truth

United States

#107602 Jun 27, 2013
James 1:22
King James Version (KJV)

22 But be ye doers of the word, and not hearers only, deceiving your own selves.
ProvenScience

Manchester, KY

#107603 Jun 27, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
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Piffle. It's not as if most fundies give a rat's patoot about non-believers or mental health.
Bullchit.

It's the cons and abusers of others kind heartedness that are contemptable...loathesome ones, no matter the religious "label" or lack thereof.
Romans chp one

Murray, KY

#107605 Jun 27, 2013
If you are a born again christian, the Lord teaches you not to entertain fables and silly questions of this world but to keep your mind upon him as you live daily. If you hate God and all the things that pertain to God, he knows you have learned of him mentally only and therefore chose to reject his means of salvation only by the way of Jesus and his work at the cross of calvary. Therefore, God unleases upon you mental learners of Godly ways, haters of God's ways, a reprobate mind to live your life as you choose and in the end of your life, spilt hell wide open for your unbelief and rejection of Christ which was your only hope to salvation. You reject Christ and commit the act of apostasy upon your soul for eternity and can never be born again of his spirit when you go this far against him. See you at the white throne judgment of God!!!

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#107606 Jun 27, 2013
Khubala wrote:
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Atheism and suicide
From Conservapedia
...
You should choose more reputable and accurate sources.

Since: Dec 09

Falls of Rough, Kentucky

#107607 Jun 27, 2013
The public schools have already started down that road. US high school allows Muslims time for prayer if they earn good grades.

http://rt.com/usa/muslim-prayer-us-schools-06...

If the public schools are allowing Muslims why not Christians and others also?

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

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#107608 Jun 28, 2013
deray wrote:
The public schools have already started down that road. US high school allows Muslims time for prayer if they earn good grades.
http://rt.com/usa/muslim-prayer-us-schools-06...
If the public schools are allowing Muslims why not Christians and others also?
Well, you can already pray in school if you want to. You just can't ditch class to do it.

In this story they are letting people leave class to pray, which is a terrible idea. I don't care if it's about Muslims or not, but this is really flirting with a violation of the Constitution and it opens up a Pandora's Box of problems.

I can't wait for the clever student who adopts Satanism and demands time to practice during class.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

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#107609 Jun 28, 2013
Romans chp one wrote:
If you are a born again christian, the Lord teaches you not to entertain fables and silly questions of this world but to keep your mind upon him as you live daily. If you hate God and all the things that pertain to God, he knows you have learned of him mentally only and therefore chose to reject his means of salvation only by the way of Jesus and his work at the cross of calvary. Therefore, God unleases upon you mental learners of Godly ways, haters of God's ways, a reprobate mind to live your life as you choose and in the end of your life, spilt hell wide open for your unbelief and rejection of Christ which was your only hope to salvation. You reject Christ and commit the act of apostasy upon your soul for eternity and can never be born again of his spirit when you go this far against him. See you at the white throne judgment of God!!!
Prove it.
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#107610 Jun 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Comparing homosexuals to child molesters is just fueling the fire of bullying.
If your perversion is not intruding upon non consenting persons of age, or animals, the constitution has no valid stipulations to make it illegal.
It is so sad you do not even understand the constitution.
America is not a theocracy. It does not have to bow to your superstitious dogma for rules.
It's a Moral thing!
I know you have NO idea what that is, but you will!
Yes and Amen

Winchester, KY

#107611 Jun 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You know your god is really you, right?
IF that was the case...
His God is better than your god!
NO! God is God!
Get to know Him!

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#107612 Jun 28, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>It's a Moral thing!
I know you have NO idea what that is, but you will!
Says your superstition, which a secular nation does not need respect for law making purposes. Note how DOMA was deemed unconstitutional.
Their was a time when your god prophets claimed eating shellfish was a sin. Wearing clothes of two different fibers was a sin. Now why should we listen to your superstitious concerns again?

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#107613 Jun 28, 2013
Romans chp one wrote:
If you are a born again christian, the Lord teaches you not to entertain fables and silly questions of this world but to keep your mind upon him as you live daily. If you hate God and all the things that pertain to God, he knows you have learned of him mentally only and therefore chose to reject his means of salvation only by the way of Jesus and his work at the cross of calvary. Therefore, God unleases upon you mental learners of Godly ways, haters of God's ways, a reprobate mind to live your life as you choose and in the end of your life, spilt hell wide open for your unbelief and rejection of Christ which was your only hope to salvation. You reject Christ and commit the act of apostasy upon your soul for eternity and can never be born again of his spirit when you go this far against him. See you at the white throne judgment of God!!!
"If you are a born again christian, the Lord teaches you not to entertain fables and silly questions..."

Dang, ain't THAT the shiz?
Sounds like you've really got the between a rock and a hard place, conundrum, quandary, dichotomy, contradiction, paradox, can't know whether to flip or fly, damned if you do damned if you don't, been told to sit in the corner of a round room, dog chasing its own tail logical fallacy goin' on there. No wonder fundie logic makes 'bout as much sense as painting air with a bucket of aardvark.

Since: Jun 13

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#107614 Jun 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
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You should choose more reputable and accurate sources.
I fully understand that all Atheists will attempt to destroy the credibility of the report published by The American Journal of Psychiatry.
According to it's findings,not believing in God is very detrimental to your mental health.
The solution to the problem appears to be to seek God.
Obviously that is a subject Atheists do not want to discuss.
To clear the air,I will post the entire report
christurkiddingm e

Martin, KY

#107616 Jun 28, 2013
it shouldnt even be taught unless eqall time is spent on the Jewish faith and muslimd and buda.bad enough parents feed their children this stuff.Discusions like these belong with stories of Santa and flying reindeer

Since: Jun 13

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#107617 Jun 28, 2013
Suicide rates are lower in religious countries than in secular ones (1, 2). Some of this difference may be due to underreporting in religious countries because of concerns over stigma (3). Yet, some of the difference may be real, although it is not known whether the negative association between religion and suicide is due to its integrative benefits (such as social cohesion, as proposed by Durkheim in 1951 [4]) or to the moral imperatives of religious belief, given its prohibitions against suicidal behavior (1, 5–7). Most previous studies have been epidemiologic and have investigated the association between completed suicide and religion. An inverse relationship between religious commitment and suicidal ideation has also been reported (5, 8–10). However, reports regarding religious affiliation and suicide attempt are sparse. Morphew (11) compared 50 suicide attempters hospitalized after self-poisoning with respect to their religious beliefs and practices. He found no significant differences in terms of Catholic versus Protestant affiliation. Similarly, Malone et al.(12) reported that religious persuasion, defined as Catholic and non-Catholic, did not differ between suicide attempters and nonattempters. Kok (13) compared suicide attempt rates in Chinese, Malay, and Indian women in Singapore and concluded that the comparatively low rate of attempted suicide in Malay women was due to their religion, since Islam strictly forbids suicide.

Studies of religious commitment in general suggest a protective effect as well. In a sample of institutionalized chronically ill elderly, Nelson (14) showed that intensity of religious commitment was negatively associated with suicide gestures. In a cross-national study of 25 countries, Stack (1) concluded that protective effects were not due to any specific religious denomination per se but rather to a strong religious commitment to basic life-preserving values, beliefs, and practices that reduce rates of suicide.

Therefore, we examined factors associated with religious affiliation and nonaffiliation in depressed inpatients, generally considered to be at highest risk for a suicide attempt. We hypothesized that the religious subjects would report more moral objections to suicide as measured with the Reasons for Living Inventory (15). This instrument includes questions that reflect traditional religious beliefs: "I believe only God has the right to end a life," "My religious beliefs forbid it," "I am afraid of going to Hell," and "I consider it morally wrong." We examined the relationship between religious affiliation and social cohesion by examining the amount of time spent with relatives in religiously affiliated versus unaffiliated patients. To our knowledge, this is the first study investigating the relationship between religious affiliation status and suicide attempts in a clinical sample.

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