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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 163740 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104961 May 28, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
What question? Please restate...
Really? I asked more than once. What is your explanation of the dinosaur/ bird fossils found? What is your explanation of the many upright hominid fossils?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#104962 May 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>We take partial fossils that paint a large picture. You deny that picture exists.
Yeah, he's playing the God of the Gaps card. I recently went through this with a relative. After about 30 minutes of back and forth, I asked him "what if there was a clear line of fossil evidence? What if the Smithsonian had on display, a perfectly preserved, and complete line of fossils that showed every "transition" from Darwinius to modern man? What would you think of that?" he replied "probably not much, it wouldn't change my mind at all". I then asked him "Then why do you even bring up holes in the fossil record?". He stared at me for a couple of seconds and then asked me how my job was going.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104963 May 28, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok let me make it simple as possible.. There has to be somewhere in all that overwhelming evidence a clear intermediate... Perhaps a fossil of a rhino with it's horn in half development or a spices of bat with half developed wings as evolutionist claim mutated from it's fingers... Good luck...
Many new traits are thought to come about quickly. This the likelihood of a transition fossil like this is very low. But their are fish with fins that look and work like legs in a transition like state.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104964 May 28, 2013
How stupid can you be wrote:
<quoted text>What a nut!
God created ALL, Not the other way around!
Buy a clue!
Got evidence? Thanks for your superstitious opinion.
You are effectively calling most scientists, stupid nuts.

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104965 May 28, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
If schools aren't "allowed" to incorporate decency, ethics, respect for and Of others in daily routines, schools (that don't already), need to teach PHYSICS (again), even if Science itself, has yet to be able to answer ALL the questions all the time.
Such would redeem at least having some Faith in hope in future generations, because at least they might realize then, that until such a time when Science "knows all" (because it doesn't), it is good (Not bad) to treat others decently, ethically and respectfully in the meantime!
Ironic that so many of your posts show a massive amount of disrespect.
Is it mandatory that believers be hypocritical?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104966 May 28, 2013
ProvenScience wrote:
<quoted text>
If schools aren't "allowed" to incorporate decency, ethics, respect for and Of others in daily routines, schools (that don't already), need to teach PHYSICS (again), even if Science itself, has yet to be able to answer ALL the questions all the time.
Such would redeem at least having some Faith in hope in future generations, because at least they might realize then, that until such a time when Science "knows all" (because it doesn't), it is good (Not bad) to treat others decently, ethically and respectfully in the meantime!
Stoning people who disagree with you is decency? Stoning children for "bad mouthing" you is decency? You are an unethical person if you think that.
GWB

Rancho Cordova, CA

#104967 May 28, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
It was a simple question... Where did the intelligence for reproduction ( not life ) come from?
Bible approves of the raping of female children to produce offspring. The females who are not virgins are put to death. Why? Does your God approve of pedophiles?
Numbers 31:7-18

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104969 May 28, 2013
defender wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok let me make it simple as possible.. There has to be somewhere in all that overwhelming evidence a clear intermediate... Perhaps a fossil of a rhino with it's horn in half development or a spices of bat with half developed wings as evolutionist claim mutated from it's fingers... Good luck...
Looking for a crockoduck?

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#104970 May 28, 2013
Yes and Amen wrote:
<quoted text>Darkness hates the Light!
If they seen the Light, they'd be on here posting against
everything they're posting for now!
That scares them!
God Bless :-)
Not scared of your mythological beings at all.
stuck in a lodi

Elkhorn City, KY

#104971 May 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
No, it was clear that there were 12 apostles. When one killed himself, he was replaced, to keep it at 12 to represent the 12 tribes of Israel.
He showed Himself to Mary at the tomb, then He visited the apostles. Thomas wasn't present so He came back to make sure all 12 were present. Mary wasn't present at that meeting. However, I'm not opposed to the idea that Mary was His wife. That is very possible.
Can you eleborate on those last 2 sentences. The haze of this weekend is fading and I'm playing catch up. If you have already, then ignore this, as I said, I'm catching up.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#104972 May 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Ironic that so many of your posts show a massive amount of disrespect.
Is it mandatory that believers be hypocritical?
that was to someone else, but your comment leads me to ask your opinion on something relevant. first of all, I am glad to get back on topix after being too busy and distracted for too long, and to find you here. second I respect your opinion, though I would feel free to disagree on some things.

I often encounter a very nasty atheist who attacks even agnostic atheists (like myself) and agnostics as if we are same as believers in some religion or other. The only thing he tolerates are his own views, which are usually expressed by calling others liars and using other insults and false accusations.

Even when he is in an argument with someone I disagree with, I still doubt if every believer is what I would call a "liar" (someone who knowingly tells an untruth). And I despise his general arrogance and egotism. I feel it more necessary to denounce his style and his arrogant views that he knows there is no God (and that anyone who doubts it is a liar) than to argue with the silly fundies. the socalled atheist is discrediting atheism - even the hard form (the one that claims to know there is no God)- by being such a nasty jerk.

I think I can attack him as not being representative of decent atheists, of whatever variety, without siding with the fundies. I tell them I disagree with them, but that this commenter does not represent most atheists.

Some other atheist types - a few, not many - think it is somehow disloyal of me to criticize a fellow atheist, no matter how nasty he is. But I like to see the agnostic atheist position represented by the wisest and nicest of commenters, and even a more "strong" atheist position argued by someone who makes a better case for it, and does so in a rational and not nasty way.

All this is happening over on the atheist forum, now, since I returned there before coming here - a couple of weeks ago.

You seem to be one of the most sensible commenters on here, and I think you are an agnostic atheist, as it is sensibly defined: not believing but not claiming to know with certain evidence that there is no such thing as a god at all (especially since the word god is not even very clearly defined in such a way as to limit the possibilities).

I think one god is impossible, and that I know it cannot exist, and that is an allgoodallpowerful god. I think one god has to exist - which is that it is everything that exists, defined as god in a sort of superpantheism definition - with not much known about it, or even knowable. and with few consequences, other than we are part of it and therefore should be as good and kind as possible.

I know you are busy arguing with the true believers, and this is outside the usual scope of this thread, but you are wiser than most of the atheists on the atheist forum, and I like discussions with you better than with most folks I find over there, even the best of them.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#104973 May 28, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>I deem you a bigot because you fit the criteria. Should I invent a new word to save your feelings?
The reason you cite for men only in the priesthood is exactly why Brigham said their can be no blacks in the priesthood. He felt they were not descendants of the white leaders of your religion, thus they were not father-son passed down the status of the priesthood.
You described the priesthood and I could not find any criteria a woman could not handle other than being a son.
If a man can actually get revelations worthy of having the church trust their claims, why can't women?
Can men be on the welfare committee?
So sad you cannot understand human property concepts. Think of how slaves were traded. They were workers/helpers, just as you describe the women. I really see zero difference. Can you show a difference?
Yes, many cultures of ancient times had the same traditions of your religion. It is as if no god was needed to make these traditions, yet your bible sure acts as if they are the rules of god.
Now, how many of my points are you going to ignore?
Call me what you wish. One last quote on the topic of women and the priesthood.

Gordon B. Hinckley, prior President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said:

“Women do not hold the priesthood because the Lord has put it that way. It is part of His program. Women have a very prominent place in this Church. Men hold the priesthood offices of the Church. But women have a tremendous place in this Church. They have their own organization. It was started in 1842 by the Prophet Joseph Smith, called the Relief Society, because its initial purpose was to administer help to those in need. It has grown to be, I think, the largest women’s organization in the world... They have their own offices, their own presidency, their own board. That reaches down to the smallest unit of the Church everywhere in the world...

“The men hold the priesthood, yes. But my wife is my companion. In this Church the man neither walks ahead of his wife nor behind his wife but at her side. They are co-equals in this life in a great enterprise.”

What do you mean as I describe women? Are you going to try to turn what I brought up from other cultures, ancient and current, as how I feel about women? Please.
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#104974 May 28, 2013
KittenKoder wrote:
<quoted text>
Stoning people who disagree with you is decency? Stoning children for "bad mouthing" you is decency? You are an unethical person if you think that.
that was also written in reply to someone else, but you are also someone I generally like and respect, and I would like to know your reaction to the very long comment which I wrote above to Mike D.

In case you get bored arguing with fundies, we could discuss the more elevated matters of philosophy, ethics, and civility, at least among ourselves!
havent forgotten

Lamoni, IA

#104975 May 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Call me what you wish. One last quote on the topic of women and the priesthood.
Gordon B. Hinckley, prior President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said:
“Women do not hold the priesthood because the Lord has put it that way. It is part of His program. Women have a very prominent place in this Church. Men hold the priesthood offices of the Church. But women have a tremendous place in this Church. They have their own organization. It was started in 1842 by the Prophet Joseph Smith, called the Relief Society, because its initial purpose was to administer help to those in need. It has grown to be, I think, the largest women’s organization in the world... They have their own offices, their own presidency, their own board. That reaches down to the smallest unit of the Church everywhere in the world...
“The men hold the priesthood, yes. But my wife is my companion. In this Church the man neither walks ahead of his wife nor behind his wife but at her side. They are co-equals in this life in a great enterprise.”
What do you mean as I describe women? Are you going to try to turn what I brought up from other cultures, ancient and current, as how I feel about women? Please.
Are you a Mormon? or FLDS? I live in a town with a strong presence of the Community of Christ church, formerly called the Reorganized LDS church, which has been moving toward a more inclusive view on many aspects of religion, over many years.

What is your opinion about women's rights, and equality? Not using quotes from others, but in your own words. That would help folks not to get the wrong idea, if they are.

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#104976 May 28, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> ... I think one god has to exist - which is that it is everything that exists, defined as god in a sort of superpantheism definition - with not much known about it, or even knowable. and with few consequences, other than we are part of it and therefore should be as good and kind as possible
I realize that your question was not directed to me, but I'm curious.
Why do you consider yourself an atheist (of an variety)?

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104977 May 28, 2013
havent forgotten wrote:
<quoted text> that was also written in reply to someone else, but you are also someone I generally like and respect, and I would like to know your reaction to the very long comment which I wrote above to Mike D.
In case you get bored arguing with fundies, we could discuss the more elevated matters of philosophy, ethics, and civility, at least among ourselves!
Ah, I did not follow the chain of comments well. ;)

Still waking up so any actually deep and intriguing topic would fail to get my full attention yet, so much to do today, I have to actually step away from the computer later, an odd occurrence. Perhaps later.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104978 May 28, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Call me what you wish. One last quote on the topic of women and the priesthood.
Gordon B. Hinckley, prior President of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, said:
“Women do not hold the priesthood because the Lord has put it that way. It is part of His program. Women have a very prominent place in this Church. Men hold the priesthood offices of the Church. But women have a tremendous place in this Church. They have their own organization. It was started in 1842 by the Prophet Joseph Smith, called the Relief Society, because its initial purpose was to administer help to those in need. It has grown to be, I think, the largest women’s organization in the world... They have their own offices, their own presidency, their own board. That reaches down to the smallest unit of the Church everywhere in the world...
“The men hold the priesthood, yes. But my wife is my companion. In this Church the man neither walks ahead of his wife nor behind his wife but at her side. They are co-equals in this life in a great enterprise.”
What do you mean as I describe women? Are you going to try to turn what I brought up from other cultures, ancient and current, as how I feel about women? Please.
So you are using your mythology as an excuse to subjugate women, that is not a very decent thing to do.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#104983 May 28, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
I realize that your question was not directed to me, but I'm curious.
Why do you consider yourself an atheist (of an variety)?
I would consider him more a possible deist, but that is also what I call "close enough" to atheist anyway. Of course I will await his own answer to make any solidified opinions on the matter, but when a person does not ascribe to any specific god proposed by anyone else, they are technically an atheist, the details are just semantics.
defender

London, KY

#104984 May 28, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>Good luck with what? Good luck with answering a malformed request based on your complete misunderstanding of evolution, the concept of mya, probability of fossilization, and essentially anything else that we might be talking about? I mean, well over half of ALL known dinosaur genera are known because of single fossils. We expect that we have found fossils of around 1/3 of all genera. It's like looking for a needle in a 300 ft tall haystack that got obliterated by a tsunami and covered by 30 feet of sediment. In other words, holy sh!t are you stupid.

How about, instead, you answer my damn request and quit trying to prove your point by disproving science. It won't work.(And we all know what transitional/intermediate fossils are and that fundie nutjobs never accept them, because they always want something between the transition and the next step, to infinity.)

Tell me how science produced the "theory" of intelligent design. Show me where it has been tested, as all scientific theories have. Once you can do that, we can begin discussing the merits of your theory in comparison to others. UNTIL that point, your "theory" is worth no more than any other baseless, insane rant and is not even remotely worth discussing.
Once again we get the angry rant... Ya know for a theory with so much evidence it sure it hard to get to see any of it... Lol... No need to get so pissed...
love life

Los Angeles, CA

#104985 May 28, 2013
Bible never hurt no one

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