Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 137685 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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curious

Ocoee, FL

#100660 Apr 23, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Your thinking is wrong because it is not your "god" that we think about rather it is (people like you) the way your cult tries to force your god on us and society, the way you try to force the rules of your cult on to us and society.
Your cult (faith what ever) tells you X is bad, so do not do X, yet you try to force that on every one, saying that we can not do X because YOU believe it is bad.
That is what we think about because your cult FORCES us to defend ourselves and stop you from interfering with our lives and forcing your cults beliefs on to us.
Why can't you just live how you believe you should and leave every one else alone? Why can't you mind your own business?
If your cult hates the secular world so much do not take part i the fruits of the secular world.
And laws are laws, you do not have the right to abuse children even though your cult says you should
I have tried to leave you alone,I have told you that I have put you on IGNORE and you keep pursuing me...
You are on IGNORE again.
Obviously you want to" SAY SOMETHING" as I stated previously

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#100661 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
...
Written by Marilyn Adamson
I was an atheist at one time. And like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly. What causes us to do that? When I was an atheist, I attributed my intentions as caring for those poor, delusional people...to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded....
"to help them realize their hope was completely ill-founded"
Sounds rather dastardly doesn't it? I don't know a single atheist whose goal is to take people's hope away.

Whoever Marilyn Adamson is, she wasn't like any atheist I've known.
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100662 Apr 23, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Your thinking is wrong because it is not your "god" that we think about rather it is (people like you) the way your cult tries to force your god on us and society, the way you try to force the rules of your cult on to us and society.
Your cult (faith what ever) tells you X is bad, so do not do X, yet you try to force that on every one, saying that we can not do X because YOU believe it is bad.
That is what we think about because your cult FORCES us to defend ourselves and stop you from interfering with our lives and forcing your cults beliefs on to us.
Why can't you just live how you believe you should and leave every one else alone? Why can't you mind your own business?
If your cult hates the secular world so much do not take part i the fruits of the secular world.
And laws are laws, you do not have the right to abuse children even though your cult says you should
Since I am not part of a cult,as you say,that is just one of your many false allegations. My beliefs are not based on any of the false allegations that you keep repeating over and over.

A wise man has something to say,a fool has a need to say something
You keep saying something time and again
If you don't like what I post,Don't read it .
What I posted ,was not addressed to you
You have been placed on IGNORE
GWB

Roseville, CA

#100663 Apr 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
How do we know Africa is where the first humans began?
Why do Mormons think that the Garden of Eden is in Missouri?

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#100664 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I have tried to leave you alone,I have told you that I have put you on IGNORE and you keep pursuing me...
You are on IGNORE again.
Obviously you want to" SAY SOMETHING" as I stated previously
LOL, is your "mute" button not working?

“Speaker of Mountain Wisdom....”

Since: Jan 10

London, KY

#100665 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
This isn't the 1800s. We now have fossil records and understand mitochondrial DNA. The preponderance of current evidence supports this theory.
http://books.google.com/books...
http://books.google.com/books...
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1...
I don't know if you really thought there was no evidence to support the theory (how?) or what else you might have thought, but those references would be good ways to educate yourself on this subject.
While I don't disagree with the idea that Modern man may have ties to Africa I do have a problem with attempting to use DNA as a reference source because during the bottle neck as the last ice age ended we lost a good 70 to 80% of the human genome and the remainder is so limited in diversity that assuming a Afrocentric ascension is doubtful....

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100666 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
I have tried to leave you alone,I have told you that I have put you on IGNORE and you keep pursuing me...
You are on IGNORE again.
Obviously you want to" SAY SOMETHING" as I stated previously
I notice that you skipped over the issues, you must be a politician, why not answer to what I asked, why cant you mind your own business and leave people alone?

Your thinking is wrong because it is not your "god" that we think about rather it is (people like you) the way your cult tries to force your god on us and society, the way you try to force the rules of your cult on to us and society.
Your cult (faith what ever) tells you X is bad, so do not do X, yet you try to force that on every one, saying that we can not do X because YOU believe it is bad.
That is what we think about because your cult FORCES us to defend ourselves and stop you from interfering with our lives and forcing your cults beliefs on to us.
Why can't you just live how you believe you should and leave every one else alone? Why can't you mind your own business?
If your cult hates the secular world so much do not take part i the fruits of the secular world.
And laws are laws, you do not have the right to abuse children even though your cult
curious

Ocoee, FL

#100667 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
No. Oversimplification and lack of understanding abound. Things that suddenly occur to you without any basis are generally stupid thoughts you should discard.
ummmm wrote
Things that suddenly occur to you without any basis are generally stupid thoughts you should discard.

The thought that occurred to me,was BASED on the following information that I posted,which I am posting again,
,therefore I had a basis,which you overlooked.
I do not rejoice at your unbelief as that is no cause for rejoicing.
I do rejoice in the belief that I found an answer to my question by searching the Scriptures,thereby,strengtheni ng my Faith.Seek and ye shall find

Atheists believe that God does not exist, if one believes something does not exist,it does not make much sense to debate whether it exists or not.
Although Atheists do not believe in God,they are unable to get that which they don't believe in,off their minds.
Somehow,this entity they claim does not exist( God) has crept into their minds and they can not stop thinking about him.
As a result,they read the Bible,probably more frequently,than many of those who claim to be Christians.
And I asked myself,Why is it that God is on their minds and why do they read the Bible?
Then I read the Bible, where it states;
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth

Matthew 19:25-26
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying,“Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said,“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”

and my question was answered.

Thanks for responding to what I posted.It helped answer a question for which I did not have an answer

“Breaking the spell ”

Since: Dec 10

of the puppet master

#100668 Apr 23, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
How do we know Africa is where the first humans began?
Not that the origin matters to the context of why humans have different color skin, but the evidence points to Africa first. Now if new evidence is found, then new origins might be claimed. Do you have one shred of evidence Adam and Eve were the first humans?
The oldest human bones and pre-human bones have been found in Africa. Bipedal apes bones millions of years old.
I think the oldest bones of a human like creature outside of Africa is no more than a hundred thousand years old.

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100669 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
You are right,I have never experienced what Atheists have experienced...I was once an Agnostic. See if you are in agreement with this article;
Written by Marilyn Adamson

blah blah obvious shill
OK... so let me get this straight. You paraphrase Marilyn's beliefs (acting as though it was something that just hit you out of the blue), I tell you how and why I think it's crap, so then you give me the original words like it's going to change my mind??

Let me try to explain in a different way and address the source (and validity) of your argument.

First, on this "Marilyn" person. I am 95% sure that this is a Christian shill. Those sound like the words of somebody who does not even remotely understand atheism. I can barely conceive of them being the words of somebody who truly was one. Not that this would diminish the validity of any claims, but it should be said that this one fails the litmus test pretty hard.

Now, the argument itself. Look at the foundation. The words "like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly" are nothing but establishment of a strawman at the very beginning. That is a logical fallacy, FYI. Any thing built from this foundation, any words that successfully attack the validity of the thought, are essentially void. This is NOT the belief of any atheist I know, and attempting to act as though it applies to ANY atheist without proof is 100% fraudulent. So, to be clear, the follow on argument ONLY applies to whatever stupid concept of atheism she claimed to subscribe to.

Now, her claim of "I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise". Again, this is not the kind of belief that I have ever seen an atheist have. You see, this isn't some soft conceptual debate where you can interpret the evidence available in some other way and have multiple theories that can prove true. There is LITERALLY no evidence available to humanity that can be used to demonstrate the existence of God. None. So there is no need to be curious if somebody could "convince you otherwise". The only curiosity is if there is evidence that we don't know about that could be used to demonstrate the existence of God.

I constantly seek out such evidence. That doesn't mean I'm doubting my assumptions, or that there is any way that any person on the planet could convince me of God's existence using all of the information I already know about, or that God is "pushing me" toward it. I do the same thing for many topics that are of significance to me. I want to know things. I read about things. I reason.

Lastly, this phrase "I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us."

It's gullible idiot food. You can't "come to find" something without evidence. You can only have faith that it's true. You can't say "God wants to be known", knowing full well that he gave us all the ability to observe the universe and think. If he did, he would make himself known and there would be as many atheists as "moon existence deniers". "He has surrounded us with evidence" only means that the moron writing the words here has NO concept of what the word "evidence" means.

I'm not trying to diminish your faith, as long as you're acknowledging that is what you have. I am trying to simply explain that what you have IS ONLY faith and that there is NO logical/reasonable/scientific way to state that God exists. Any argument to the contrary, without new evidence, is of absolutely no value. If religious people would recognize that, you'd probably find that all of the atheists you keep battling would simply disappear.

Also, LOL @ "their hope was completely ill-founded". Really? You really think we're going to believe that's not a full time Christian?

“pervinco per logica”

Since: Feb 12

Eradicate willful ignorance.

#100670 Apr 23, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
While I don't disagree with the idea that Modern man may have ties to Africa I do have a problem with attempting to use DNA as a reference source because during the bottle neck as the last ice age ended we lost a good 70 to 80% of the human genome and the remainder is so limited in diversity that assuming a Afrocentric ascension is doubtful....
I think you're oversimplifying things and that's the source of your problem with this. This is much more complex than a most recent common ancestor analysis (which would indeed have lived since the last ice age), and mitochondrial DNA can most certainly be extended beyond that time. Otherwise there would not be a multitude of peer reviewed papers on this subject and we wouldn't be having the conversation. You may want to read some of them before dismissing based on what might be a misconception.

Not to say that fossil evidence isn't essentially conclusive on its own, but both together paint an impressively complete picture.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100671 Apr 23, 2013
curious wrote:
<quoted text>
ummmm wrote
Things that suddenly occur to you without any basis are generally stupid thoughts you should discard.
The thought that occurred to me,was BASED on the following information that I posted,which I am posting again,
,therefore I had a basis,which you overlooked.
I do not rejoice at your unbelief as that is no cause for rejoicing.
I do rejoice in the belief that I found an answer to my question by searching the Scriptures,thereby,strengtheni ng my Faith.Seek and ye shall find
Atheists believe that God does not exist, if one believes something does not exist,it does not make much sense to debate whether it exists or not.
Although Atheists do not believe in God,they are unable to get that which they don't believe in,off their minds.
Somehow,this entity they claim does not exist( God) has crept into their minds and they can not stop thinking about him.
As a result,they read the Bible,probably more frequently,than many of those who claim to be Christians.
And I asked myself,Why is it that God is on their minds and why do they read the Bible?
Then I read the Bible, where it states;
1 Timothy 2:3-4
3 This is good, and pleases God our Savior, 4 who wants all people to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth
Matthew 19:25-26
25 When the disciples heard this, they were greatly astonished, saying,“Who then can be saved?” 26 But Jesus looked at them and said,“With man this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
and my question was answered.
Thanks for responding to what I posted.It helped answer a question for which I did not have an answer
You are a special kind of stupid arn't you?
When you spout that god condemns something and we say there is no god it is not a debate, we are stating a fact and letting you know that your "faith" has no impact on any one else. Your stupid beliefs do not force us to do or not do something that you claim god wants.
There is no debate, we try to help you with your mental illness but we are not debating with you.
I will pray to the good Lord Satan that you will overcome your mental illness

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100672 Apr 23, 2013
Mike Duquette wrote:
<quoted text>Not that the origin matters to the context of why humans have different color skin, but the evidence points to Africa first. Now if new evidence is found, then new origins might be claimed. Do you have one shred of evidence Adam and Eve were the first humans?
The oldest human bones and pre-human bones have been found in Africa. Bipedal apes bones millions of years old.
I think the oldest bones of a human like creature outside of Africa is no more than a hundred thousand years old.
But, but it was only 4000 years ago that angels had sex with apes and humans where created..........

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#100673 Apr 23, 2013
Thousands of years ago beings from the planet kalob came to earth. They did experiments with the life her and combined different genes with their own to make a species they called man.
The leader of these beings, named megog, and his underlings known as angalias taught man to use tools and build shelter, cook food. They left on their space ship but told man they would return..........blah blah blah YAA and bi-curious worship megog a dead space scientist

Since: Aug 10

Location hidden

#100674 Apr 23, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>You are a special kind of stupid arn't you?
When you spout that god condemns something and we say there is no god it is not a debate, we are stating a fact and letting you know that your "faith" has no impact on any one else. Your stupid beliefs do not force us to do or not do something that you claim god wants.
There is no debate, we try to help you with your mental illness but we are not debating with you.
I will pray to the good Lord Satan that you will overcome your mental illness
Dude, he's already got you on IGNORE. Be careful, or he might put you on double secret probation.
Sure

United States

#100675 Apr 23, 2013
I think this would be a wonderful thing. I believe the children who want to study the bible and learn about our savoir Jesus Christ should be able to. If you do not wish to learn about Jesus you don't have to attend this study. Just an idea. We have allowed athiest ect.. To have the final say for to long. It's time Christians took a stand. Jesus will not push himself on anyone. The teaching should be available for the
Ones who want to learn.
You are funny

Johnson City, TN

#100676 Apr 23, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>But, but it was only 4000 years ago that angels had sex with apes and humans where created..........
Tick-tock, tick-tock. Revelation, chapter 18; The detail of Sept,11 2001, amuse me with your opinion? If G-d knows this part, what about the rest? I would hate to be on the loseing side, as you are!:)

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#100677 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
<quoted text>
OK... so let me get this straight. You paraphrase Marilyn's beliefs (acting as though it was something that just hit you out of the blue), I tell you how and why I think it's crap, so then you give me the original words like it's going to change my mind??
Let me try to explain in a different way and address the source (and validity) of your argument.
First, on this "Marilyn" person. I am 95% sure that this is a Christian shill. Those sound like the words of somebody who does not even remotely understand atheism. I can barely conceive of them being the words of somebody who truly was one. Not that this would diminish the validity of any claims, but it should be said that this one fails the litmus test pretty hard.
Now, the argument itself. Look at the foundation. The words "like many atheists, the issue of people believing in God bothered me greatly" are nothing but establishment of a strawman at the very beginning. That is a logical fallacy, FYI. Any thing built from this foundation, any words that successfully attack the validity of the thought, are essentially void. This is NOT the belief of any atheist I know, and attempting to act as though it applies to ANY atheist without proof is 100% fraudulent. So, to be clear, the follow on argument ONLY applies to whatever stupid concept of atheism she claimed to subscribe to.
Now, her claim of "I was deeply curious to see if they could convince me otherwise". Again, this is not the kind of belief that I have ever seen an atheist have. You see, this isn't some soft conceptual debate where you can interpret the evidence available in some other way and have multiple theories that can prove true. There is LITERALLY no evidence available to humanity that can be used to demonstrate the existence of God. None. So there is no need to be curious if somebody could "convince you otherwise". The only curiosity is if there is evidence that we don't know about that could be used to demonstrate the existence of God.
I constantly seek out such evidence. That doesn't mean I'm doubting my assumptions, or that there is any way that any person on the planet could convince me of God's existence using all of the information I already know about, or that God is "pushing me" toward it. I do the same thing for many topics that are of significance to me. I want to know things. I read about things. I reason.
Lastly, this phrase "I have come to find out that God wants to be known. He created us with the intention that we would know him. He has surrounded us with evidence of himself and he keeps the question of his existence squarely before us."
It's gullible idiot food. You can't "come to find" something without evidence. You can only have faith that it's true. You can't say "God wants to be known", knowing full well that he gave us all the ability to observe the universe and think. If he did, he would make himself known and there would be as many atheists as "moon existence deniers". "He has surrounded us with evidence" only means that the moron writing the words here has NO concept of what the word "evidence" means.
I'm not trying to diminish your faith, as long as you're acknowledging that is what you have. I am trying to simply explain that what you have IS ONLY faith and that there is NO logical/reasonable/scientific way to state that God exists. Any argument to the contrary, without new evidence, is of absolutely no value. If religious people would recognize that, you'd probably find that all of the atheists you keep battling would simply disappear.
Also, LOL @ "their hope was completely ill-founded". Really? You really think we're going to believe that's not a full time Christian?
VERY well stated.
Especially the paragraph beginning with "I'm not trying to diminish your faith..."

Religious people are welcome to their "faith" as long as they are not trying to present it as facts that we ALL must live by.
They just don't seem to get that concept.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100678 Apr 23, 2013
_Ummm_ wrote:
I will be as polite as possible as I explain the truth of this matter.
Why thank you, hope you enjoyed stating YOUR opinion.
I'll be happy to clear a few things up for you, but this is based upon the assumption that one can comprehend the difference between ones own opinion, from that of the opinions of others, and hopefully that basis will not be too difficult to understand for you..
Now, moving along, and based upon my OWN opinions...
1. I have no idea why you even used the word "agenda". Are you making some sort of direct personal accusation against me, and could you please explain yourself for doing so?
Or at least, please explain whatever it is you're talking about, as I have no idea what you are referencing, nor any respect, for it at all, as anyone who accuses anyone else for no viable reason, out of the arrogance of ignorance, just breed contemptible disdain.
2. I have stated repeatedly, time and time again, I personally do not think the Bible as whole, should ever be read as strictly "literal" finding even the thought of that to be rather foolish. So, again, could you please explain whatever it is YOU are referencing? Is that idealogue something you perhaps find logical and in agreement with?
3. I do not think the Bible was transcribed to "tell" a "primitive people" anything, I think it was transcribed for quite the opposite reason, much more as a journal writer would record thoughts and insights, as well as instances of the times one might be living in, and perhaps even, much more so for FUTURE civilizations to reference, which is possibly why, the Bible has survived so well since Antiquity, as enough people through out history, saw fitting to do so. So, I believe, we are at polar opposites on THAT opinion.
4. We have already LONG since established the differences in meaning between "faith" and "Science", on this thread, and I really don't think there are many people that do NOT know the difference, so I just find that statement, more redundancy, and really quite needless, as any FIFTH grader can use a dictionary these days.
5. I for one, have NEVER used the ignorant phrase of "God did it" especially in mockery of others, as I find anyone who Would use such a phrase in that manner, to be just petulant, nettlesome and fractious...obnoxiousness on the same par Mentality level of a belligerent, self absorbed adolescent.
6. I have already explained my personal hypothesis on Creationism and Evolution... so that is something else, you and I do NOT agree on. I have no problem with parts of BOTH, theoretically AND philosophically.
6. Read back as MANY pages as you'd like, and you will HAVE to face the TRUTH then, in that I for one, have personally ALWAYS stated, I feel the turthful and logical, could ONLY state with any sort of actual unbiased contemplation, that indeed (aside from those of faith who chose to view from their OWN perspectives-to which they have every Constitutional right to) that the only other logical answer, based upon what evidentiary tangible references we do have, rather than just faith, is just to say "we do NOT know".
Is the above writings of MY OPINION too difficult to comprehend? I could try and simplify it even further if so.
TruthIs

Hazard, KY

#100679 Apr 23, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
It was "unscholarly" to have placed it anywhere. It could easily be the visions and ramblings of a schizophrenic.
I think that'd be a bit of a stretch, considering there's quite a few other archeological items of interest that lend credence to the possible existences of more than just one person as having contributed to the writings.
(For an example of rambling "clinical" hollow BS derived out of responding to vain BSing, please see my prior post LOL)

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