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Bible study rules for public schools proposed

There are 167777 comments on the The Courier-Journal story from Feb 10, 2010, titled Bible study rules for public schools proposed. In it, The Courier-Journal reports that:

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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#98231 Apr 3, 2013
Hello wrote:
In response to post #98210.
I apologize, I haven't been in this conversation, but I'd like to comment on this post and give my understanding of how it happened.
The mountains that were named didn't exist in the pre-flood era.
The water was mostly under the crust of the earth originally and we believe a seventh layer of atmosphere, a water layer, encompassed the earth in order to protect us from UV among other things.
The fountains of the great deep broke up and high pressure water from underneath the crust flooded the surface while the water canopy above collapsed and fell to earth as rain.
I think the wording is "all the high hills" and not mountain tops because mountains didn't exist as they do now. The earth was smoother.
After the duration of the flood the unpressurized voids left in the earth began to be filled. The crust that was once above the waters was now collapsing into the voids where the water had been.
As the smoother mass of the earth's crust collapsed in closer to the center there was less space to contain the mass. So the effect, as with anything that you try to cram into a smaller space than it can fit, was for the mountains to push out. In the case of the flood, out of the water. That is why we find aquatic fossils on Everest. It was land that was once underwater, but was pushed up as the earths crust collapsed in closer to the center of the planet.
I heard one time that if the earth's crust was leveled the water would cover it in a depth of about a mile. I'm not sure of the estimated depth, it's been a while since I heard that.
Also, I personnally believe that all radioactive isotopes were probably contained deep in the earth's crust prior to the flood (probably serving some purpose). When the crust was disheveled from the flood and the minerals were re-ordered and stratified the isotopes were mixed in.
Humans today are now constantly exposed to radiation as well as UV which would account for our rapid aging due to the destruction of our cells from the exposure.
There is a verse in the New Testament, one of Peter's books I think, that states that people would scoff at the Bible because they would be ignorant of the fact that the earth was created both in the water and out of the water. In the water, being the water layer of atmosphere. Out of the water, being the water that was once under the crust that now fills the oceans while the crust that was above the water now lies on the ocean's floor.
Thank you.
"we believe a seventh layer of atmosphere, a water layer, encompassed the earth in order to protect us from UV among other things"......

What the heck?? A seventh layer of atmosphere...made of water...

Evidence? And if you say "the flood" I'll punch a baby seal because that is just dumb.

Don't start with your answer and try to rationalize from it.
Wrong again Sparky

Richmond, KY

#98232 Apr 3, 2013
Skeptical Spectacles wrote:
<quoted text>
Not in a public school. In a public school it would be unconstitutional...and that's just bad.
No it's NOT!
We the People want it... even if you few do not!
It's an elective, it's history, it's our heritage!
happy

Louisville, KY

#98233 Apr 3, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>This is true. Prayer, when studied scientifically, does nothing for other people. It does have a postiive affect on you personally. But that is no different from meditation, relaxation, or a nice massage. It's placebo.
Prayer for other people - intercessory prayer - shows no effect.
Also, I find it insulting when people claim that God answered their prayers for the same reasons you give. I keep going back to a story I posted on here recently about three girls who were raped, murdered, and tossed down a well. I can't imagine a world in which the Christian god exists and such a crime can still take place. Free will my ass.
Your god is either a phenomenally evil monster or he isn't that tough to begin with.
Or....he does not exist.
God has answered prayers for me but He has also said "WAIT" , "not now", or "no"...
Not sure whose God u r talking abt.. How can you even talk abt a God you do not know? That's right! You cannot! I know Him personally. He is wonderful. My God is not the same God you speak of.
THANK YOU GOD for sending Your Son to the cross for MY sins. I don't deserve your Love but I need it and am so grateful. Thank You that you love us anyway, that You desire to spend time with me. Thank you for taking such great care of me!

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#98234 Apr 3, 2013
chang wrote:
<quoted text> The so called marriage equality act will come to light, if not already, because this is the devils kingdom of the lost and the damned.
They that lay with the same sex are just that...lost and damned. Not to mention disgusting.
The previous poster questioning the lack of response of God in the horrible act against the three young girls...simple answer...God did not intervene for reasons any human mind can not comprehend. Be it known though it was a man of your god.. satan...that carried the crime out.
When a saved child of God enters the kingdom ofHeaven, then and only then, will our questions that we can not answer here on earth be known and understood. The Lord says we will know by and by and not to question Him. If his Book says it is so, then it is....
I love how good Christians will say that gays are disgusting. I bet when you are pinned down on the issue you fall back to "love the sinner, hate the sin". I think that line of thinking is disgusting and amoral.

Now, regarding your dodge of the raped and murdered children...

You say that we cannot know the mind of God, therefore you are saying there was a good reason for these little girls to be raped and murdered. Otherwise your God allowed an evil thing to happen for a bad reason, correct?

But by claiming to know anything at all about God's motivations or plans then you have some kind of special knowledge of God's mind. How did you come to that knowledge? Did you make a decision to accept the Bible as true? If so, then aren't you just using your own brain to make decisions about God's mind?

Also, I find your line of reasoning quite repugnant to begin with. I don't know about you but when I hear about little kids being raped and murdered it angers me. It makes me sad. I want to reach out and help them. I don't start making justifications for the evil just so I can continue to have my magic beliefs.

You realize you are defending rape and murder, right? Under your rules, I can kill and rape and torture all day long. And if it happens, then it must be a *good* thing because God allowed it to happen. Otherwise God's Top Secret Planô is not that good, is it?

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#98235 Apr 3, 2013
Yiago wrote:
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In your ice cream example it is still possible for a child to choose broccoli. Highly unlikely, but possible. Your ability to predict which they will choose rests upon your experience with the kids and with your ability to understand probabilities.
God is not human. According to every Christian tradition I've ever encountered God is perfect. He knows *everything*. So it is not a matter of God using probability to deduce what Adam and Eve would do. He simply already knew it.
From any logical perspective that rules out the possibility of free will. You cannot be simultaneously free to choose while the knowledge of your choice is already established somewhere else. It breaks every law of physics.
And once you go down the road of claiming that God can do these magical things you are in the realm of 100% faith and 0% reason. That's fine if you want to believe it, but it is not a rational position nor can it be defended in a reasonable debate.
You are putting your own personal theories into the mind of God. I'm not sure how you can justify that other than you're trying to rationalize an irrational position.
Well said. It's always interesting to see the mental gymnastics that occur when believers honestly try to address these types of questions.
Hello

Nashville, TN

#98236 Apr 3, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
"we believe a seventh layer of atmosphere, a water layer, encompassed the earth in order to protect us from UV among other things"......
What the heck?? A seventh layer of atmosphere...made of water...
Evidence? And if you say "the flood" I'll punch a baby seal because that is just dumb.
Don't start with your answer and try to rationalize from it.
I'm not sure what state of matter the water canopy was. The earth was in the water and out of the water so the climate was much milder and consistent. Almost like a large climate controlled biosphere. The evidence is in the fossil record. Tropical type plants of extraordinary size found all over the planet, including the artic regions. Higher percentages of oxygen are found in the lower rock layers also.
Dinosaurs nostrils are too small to allow them to live on earth today because of the lack of atmospheric pressure that was present when the water canopy was in place. Many other things, but I have to go to work. Have a good day.
Hello

Nashville, TN

#98237 Apr 3, 2013
arctic

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#98238 Apr 3, 2013
happy wrote:
<quoted text>
God has answered prayers for me but He has also said "WAIT" , "not now", or "no"...
Not sure whose God u r talking abt.. How can you even talk abt a God you do not know? That's right! You cannot! I know Him personally. He is wonderful. My God is not the same God you speak of.
THANK YOU GOD for sending Your Son to the cross for MY sins. I don't deserve your Love but I need it and am so grateful. Thank You that you love us anyway, that You desire to spend time with me. Thank you for taking such great care of me!
Hold on a second...If God sometimes says no, sometimes says wait, and sometimes says yes...how is that different from no God at all?

And did God ever LITERALLY say "wait", or is that a figure of speech? Do you *literally* hear a voice? Who does he sound like? Donald Trump? Ben Kingsly? Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite?

"Prayers offered by strangers had no effect on the recovery of people who were undergoing heart surgery, a large and long-awaited study has found."

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/03/31/health/31pr...

"Meta-studies of the literature in the field have been performed showing evidence only for no effect or a potentially small effect. For instance, a 2006 meta analysis on 14 studies concluded that there is "no discernable effect" while a 2007 systemic review of intercessory prayer reported inconclusive results, noting that 7 of 17 studies had "small, but significant, effect sizes" but the review noted that the most methodologically rigorous studies failed to produce significant findings"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Studies_on_inter...

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#98239 Apr 3, 2013
openyoureyes wrote:
<quoted text>
Quote ďIn a public school it would be unconstitutionalĒ Where in the U.S. Constitution do you find that Lie, or are you referring to Russia, North Korea, China, Iran, Cuba, Iraq, Syria.
The 1st Amendment. Specifically the establishment clause of the first amendment. It's pretty clear. I'm sorry that you're incapable of understanding it.

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#98240 Apr 3, 2013
Hello wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure what state of matter the water canopy was. The earth was in the water and out of the water so the climate was much milder and consistent. Almost like a large climate controlled biosphere. The evidence is in the fossil record. Tropical type plants of extraordinary size found all over the planet, including the artic regions. Higher percentages of oxygen are found in the lower rock layers also.
Dinosaurs nostrils are too small to allow them to live on earth today because of the lack of atmospheric pressure that was present when the water canopy was in place. Many other things, but I have to go to work. Have a good day.
I will try not to be too snarky. I find Creationism to be intellectually empty so it is not going to be easy.

Ok, so you are proposing that this HUGE layer of water vapor existed in Noah's time, right? What is your reason for coming to this conclusion? The evidence is not there. Citing large plants is not nearly enough evidence to justify this water vapor layer. It would be like trying to explain immense dinosaurs by claiming that all plant life on Earth used to contain special magical nutrients that made things get really huge. There's just no reason to introduce such a weird, outlandish idea.

Here is what Talk Origins says about the water vapor idea:

" Now the "vapor canopy" would form a part of the atmosphere, being a body of gas (water vapor) gravitationally held to the earth. It would in fact be most of the pre-flood atmosphere. There would have to be enough vapor to form 9km of liquid, when condensed, and, therefore the vapor would weigh as much as 9km of water. The pressure at the earth's surface, where Noah and family lived, would be equal to one atmosphere PLUS the weight of a 9km column of water of unit area. This is equivalent to the pressure 9km deep in the ocean. What is this pressure? Well, each 10m of water is roughly equivalent to one atmosphere, so the pressure would be 900 atmospheres. The atmosphere would also have a composition of about 900 parts water vapor to one part of what we call air today.

How could an atmosphere almost 100% water vapor not condense? The temperature would have to be raised to the point where the partial pressure of water equals 900 atmospheres, i.e. the boiling point at that pressure. So we find Noah et al. living in a 13,000psi boiler. Is this credible?"

http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/canopy.html

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#98241 Apr 3, 2013
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>No it's NOT!
Yes, I'm afraid it is. Don't blame me, I didn't write the 1st Amendment (although I'm glad Madison had the brilliance to do so).
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>
We the People want it... even if you few do not!
It's an elective, it's history, it's our heritage!
"We the People want it"... Ahhhh, there it is. George H.W. Bush couldn't have said it better. You Christian Americans think you're the only "real" Americans. Nauseates me at times.

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#98242 Apr 3, 2013
happy wrote:
<quoted text>
God has answered prayers for me but He has also said "WAIT" , "not now", or "no"...
Not sure whose God u r talking abt.. How can you even talk abt a God you do not know? That's right! You cannot! I know Him personally. He is wonderful. My God is not the same God you speak of.
THANK YOU GOD for sending Your Son to the cross for MY sins. I don't deserve your Love but I need it and am so grateful. Thank You that you love us anyway, that You desire to spend time with me. Thank you for taking such great care of me!
Yes we all know you hear voices in your head. You've told us repeatedly about it.

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98243 Apr 3, 2013
openyoureyes wrote:
<quoted text>
Quote ďIn a public school it would be unconstitutionalĒ Where in the U.S. Constitution do you find that Lie, or are you referring to Russia, North Korea, China, Iran, Cuba, Iraq, Syria.
Freedom of religion. In order for people to be free to choose their beliefs they must be free from having some one elses beliefs forced on them.
If you choose to teach YOUR children the bible do not expect ME to pay for it

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98244 Apr 3, 2013
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>Wrong!
You lie with every post...
Proving the Bible to be true, and correct!
You think you have morals? NO!
You are one of the nastiest posters on here, and prove it daily!
You make your religion look as ignorant as you, and it is!
God is real, and you will rue the days of your ignorance!
Good day!
I posted the bible verses so they can be read from your bible. So you admit that the bible is a lie?
I am a nasty poster because I posted straight from the bible?

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98245 Apr 3, 2013
TheIndependentMajority wrote:
<quoted text>
I disagree with YOUR interpretation.
My translation of Bible for modern day world living (versus the wickedness of ways as found within the OT) says we are to LOVE and respect, and be kind one to another. NOT hate, maim, torture, taunt, bully, push, shove, connive, manipulate and whatever other negative dredges of negative negatives.
I feel sorry for you, if you think life should be lived so negatively, because it shouldn't.
So you have never read the whole bible, just a verse here and a verse there, skipping around to make the bible say something that it does not say?
Read the whole bible

Satanic Priest

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#98246 Apr 3, 2013
Wrong again Sparky wrote:
<quoted text>No it's NOT!
We the People want it... even if you few do not!
It's an elective, it's history, it's our heritage!
You do not understand how a democracy works do you? When 5% of the people want something and 95% of the people say Hell no than it is not going to happen.
Send your kids to private school but hope that they do not read the whole bible or they will become Atheist
You are simply wrong

Racine, OH

#98247 Apr 3, 2013
Yiago wrote:
<quoted text>
This is what many theologians call the "mystery" of Christ. By mystery they mean contradiction.
You are suggesting that something can know everything that is going to happen but people within that construct still have free will. This is not logically possible. It is like saying 2+2=3.
You not understanding differential calculus does not disprove it. There is nothing logically wrong with it. You just don't get it.
You are simply wrong

Racine, OH

#98249 Apr 3, 2013
Hello wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure what state of matter the water canopy was. The earth was in the water and out of the water so the climate was much milder and consistent. Almost like a large climate controlled biosphere. The evidence is in the fossil record. Tropical type plants of extraordinary size found all over the planet, including the artic regions. Higher percentages of oxygen are found in the lower rock layers also.
Dinosaurs nostrils are too small to allow them to live on earth today because of the lack of atmospheric pressure that was present when the water canopy was in place. Many other things, but I have to go to work. Have a good day.
Tropical Arctic was last in the Jurassic period, about 65 million years before people. Noah could not have existed then. Donít even try to use paleontology to say anything at all about human history and donít even try archeology prior to about ten thousand years ago.

Nostrils are cartilaginous and ectodermal, not bony. NOBODY knows how big their nostrils were. They can guess about the bony portions of cranial sinuses, but not the soft tissues.

If there was a lack of atmospheric pressure, your so called water canopy would collapse.

Sheebus! Read some science will you!
Where TF did you go to school?

“CO2 is Gaseous Love”

Since: Dec 08

Home, sweet home.

#98250 Apr 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
Yes, the christian cult does not want children to read the whole bible, just small parts of it and a lot of christian propaganda
No, bible study is an important part of education. The left wants to teach propaganda about religion, so people even will lose the ability to distinguish the difference between a cult and a religion.
You are simply wrong

Racine, OH

#98251 Apr 3, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
Send your kids to private school but hope that they do not read the whole bible or they will become Atheist
Reading the Bible in itís entirety does not make someone an atheist. Itís listening to the preachers who do the piecemeal ala carte religion to you in your youth and then you eventually learning enough about life and science and math and logic to realize that the preacher was a liar.

The key to it all is that God isnít the preacher. God isnít religion. God isnít the Bible.

The Bible was starting to be written probably about 6000 years ago. It was written for those people who had no science, little math and no leisure time to contemplate God and the Universe. Life was so hard that they needed easy to follow simple rules. They didnít have the time, the resources or probably the mental acuity to handle more. They were infants. Their job was merely to survive.

2000 years ago came the second, a new testament to replace the old so as to reflect humanityís better understanding. People had progressed to toddler. The old rules were good for infants, but toddlers have more abilities and can handle greater responsibility. Survival was no longer adequate, now we were expected to care about and respect others.

Our knowledge now has attained the point that we are at the cusp of a Third Testament. Merely playing nice with our siblings isnít enough. Now we have to clean our room, stop polluting the planet. We are children, and soon, once we can demonstrate that, then we can meet the neighborsí kids, those other children of God whom we call extraterrestrials.

We are evolving, not just physically, but mentally and spiritually. The rules for the infant, were good for the infant, but God expects us to mature and just as children grow they get more responsibility, so do we. Donít wallow in an infantile religion. Grow, Evolve, Mature. The rules are changing, not because God has, but because we are.

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