Bible study rules for public schools proposed

Feb 10, 2010 Full story: The Courier-Journal 131,870

FRANKFORT, Ky. - The state would create rules for teaching about the Bible in public high schools under a bill filed Monday by three Democratic senators.

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Paganeatereggs

London, KY

#97810 Mar 29, 2013
Constitutional Warrior wrote:
<quoted text>
my grandmother pulled me out of school and tried to sue them for me reading a book on greek mythology. she is a penicostal, and crazy as a bat. me on the other hand, i would rather my child learn from mother therisa, ghandi, or even sarah palin before i would want them to read about abraham almost killing his son. or noah's sons violating him in his sleep, or of an angel of death that kills every first born of egypt. i dont want my son asking me "daddy are u going to kill me? daddy, should i molest yuou when ur drunk passed out? daddy will god kill me if i dont do what he says?" read it in its entirety, and yes you will find a lot of good from the book. but u will also find a lot of boozing, a lot of death, and a lot of "do this or i will fucking spank you"... those are not the morals i want for my kids
That is WHY, genuine theological subject matter is generally presented at far more advanced instructional levels, by way of a learner's CHOICE to do so, rather than just merely forcefed from some appropriated soap box of self per say.

It takes actual enlightenment, and enlightened environments, to enlighten, and to allow for free thinkers to do just that, with out having material be subjected and leveled down to just biased, mere opinion.
TruthIs

London, KY

#97811 Mar 29, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
I see. So we can and should just cancel the entire arm of science called psychiatry and every industry related to it because all 'rightness' of being is inspired by cosmic supernatural forces. Delusions are sacred, hallucinations are divine visions, psychopaths are demon possessed and conscienceless sociopaths just fail to hear the Voice of God.
Hallelujah and Amen Brothers, Welcome to the Borneo of the West! The state of mind where all the sanity you ever need is supplied by preachers, prayer and prostration.
See now that is where there seems to be a problem for some (including those that wish to lump and label ANY sector of society with same ignorant broad brush strokes) in differentiating between peoples harmless personal beliefs, and psycho-socioIllogical behaviors.
That type of brandishing is either
A. Outright Ignorance (willful or otherwise)
or
B. Psycho-Socio ILLogical.

Because, many times, there IS a difference.
TruthIs

London, KY

#97812 Mar 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Wow, talk about putting words in someone's mouth.
I'm not against science, or psychiatry, or physiology. Never did I even allude to that.
Keep posting.:-)
TruthIs

London, KY

#97813 Mar 29, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
Many people have pointed out that I am a religious nut, some even call my religion a cult.
True, but my religion does not pry in to others personal life, does not violate others rights,(unless you are violating my rights) we do not harm anything for any reason other than survival and we are kind and good.
The christian cult is the opposite of us, they are evil, judging others, condemning others, prying where they have no business, killing and raping evil
You must've had some bad experiences in dealing with people who've used the label of "Christianity" to act however?
I don't think ALL people who might believe in much of the good found with in, are all evil. That would be like saying ALL NON believers of any faith, are all "good". That's just SO far from any kind of real truth, it's rather pathetic, and very Illogical and irrational.
TruthIs

London, KY

#97814 Mar 29, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
Many people have pointed out that I am a religious nut, some even call my religion a cult.
True, but my religion does not pry in to others personal life, does not violate others rights,(unless you are violating my rights) we do not harm anything for any reason other than survival and we are kind and good.
The christian cult is the opposite of us, they are evil, judging others, condemning others, prying where they have no business, killing and raping evil
As in as well-the same as saying it's okay for any/all "atheists" to act however, because they are "atheist" or trying to apply any other labelduhm label to anything to Use it as nothing but an excuse.

And that type of thing in and of itself, is "evil", "ignorant" or "socio-illogically" warped.

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#97815 Mar 29, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>Wicca is the christian version of magik or witchcraft.
I'm not sure I would use the term "christian version" to describe Wicca, but I know what you are getting at.
I was a practicing Wiccan witch for a while but eventually realized that the foolishness I saw in Christianity was exactly the same as in Wicca.

Many Wiccans that I know sound just like Christians. "Oh, I prayed to the Goddess for this or that," or "I thanked the Goddess for giving me whatever it was that I wanted."
They are anthropomorphizing an invisible deity. Lots of that kind of thinking going around, sadly.

I am a happy atheist now. Reality matters to me.
I can enjoy a mystery without having to label it or having to makeup an explanation.

Don't get me wrong...I love mythology. My copy of the bible joins Bullfinch's Mythology, the Iliad, the Odessey, the Elder and Younger Eddas, Grimm's Fairy tales, and the Lord of the Rings on my bookshelves.(All of which are better reading than it is.)
Fantasy is entertaining, and, at its best, educational.
It just shouldn't be confused with reality.

pat

Mount Ida, AR

#97816 Mar 29, 2013
happy wrote:
<quoted text>
Holy MOSES lol u can b a BACTERIA if u want. I'm a child of the KING
Not sure which book you read but not the one I read. CRAZINESS U SPEAK. rofl. God bless you and may He open your eyes and ears to the TRUTH before your last breath
...please, spare me...I do not fear death...do you remember before you where born???...???.well, I'm positive that's how it will be when were dead.....no pearly gates, no fire filled hell...I'm not stressin' on answering to noone besides those damn microbes that turn us into carbon.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#97817 Mar 29, 2013
Quantummist wrote:
<quoted text>
You do realize you will have to explain to him what a "fallacy" is right?
Crap, I forgot about that part.

“I Am No One Else”

Since: Apr 12

Seattle

#97818 Mar 29, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
Still not a good comparison. I don't know one single adult that has ever said they felt the presence, or influence of the tooth fairy. Nor have I met an old person that is full of wisdom and life experience devote their life to Santa Claus.
People's experiences with God are real, and they are personal. That's the cool thing about it. You have your own relationship with God. My experiences won't mean squat to you, but once you feel the Holy Spirit, you then know for yourself, and you want to share it with others, to which it will not mean squat to.
Leprechauns ... some people had even swore to catching them. There is more evidence supporting leprechauns than any of the proposed gods, any of them. There's more evidence of Zeus than the christian god even. Just consider your sources for a moment, then consider who has the greater incentive to lie ...

Religious leaders:
1. Money comes from the followers.
2. Their influence over the followers garners them political power.
3. They have more rights in the area with the same religious belief.

Atheist/Agnostic:
1. No followers, therefore no money.
2. Must stand on your own demonstrated value and worth for opinions.
3. Act right without the threat of punishment or reward.
4. Risk not only losing rights but also risk bodily harm by admitting to it.

Who has the reasons to lie?

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#97820 Mar 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
I believe that we are God's purpose. We are His children and He wants the best for us. He has promised us all He has if we just follow His commandments. We are in a progression state to become like Him. His involvement is to help us when we need it. The whole point of this experience is to become more like Him.
Just like our own children, if we hold their hand every step of the way, they don't learn how to make decisions on their own. We intervene when necessary. And sometimes we have to let our children learn things the hard way. His relationship with us is very similar to our relationship with our children.
Really? If one of my kids was about to be...oh....I don't know...raped and murdered and tossed down a well, and I had the power to stop it, guess what I would do?

I'd stop it.

The god-as-parent argument is, to me, ridiculous. Unless god is just as fallible and weak as a human parent. But that's not the God you believe in. Your God can create universes and orchestrate the entire human condition.

He could stop a rape and murder.

Why doesn't he?

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#97821 Mar 30, 2013
-NEPHILIM- wrote:
<quoted text>
I think the Mormons bring in over 7 billion a year in tax free tithing, I'm sure others religions do even better.
http://www.secularhumanism.org/index.php...

"The home in the photo (above) is the $1.75 million mansion of the Reverend Randy White, the former head pastor of Without Walls International Church in Tampa, Florida. While some people may be bothered by the fact that there are pastors who live in multimillion dollar homes, this is old news to most. But here is what should bother you about these expensive homes: You are helping to pay for them! You pay for them indirectly, the same way local, state, and federal governments in the United States subsidize religion—to the tune of about $71 billion every year."

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#97822 Mar 30, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
I'm not sure I would use the term "christian version" to describe Wicca, but I know what you are getting at.
I was a practicing Wiccan witch for a while but eventually realized that the foolishness I saw in Christianity was exactly the same as in Wicca.
Many Wiccans that I know sound just like Christians. "Oh, I prayed to the Goddess for this or that," or "I thanked the Goddess for giving me whatever it was that I wanted."
They are anthropomorphizing an invisible deity. Lots of that kind of thinking going around, sadly.
I am a happy atheist now. Reality matters to me.
I can enjoy a mystery without having to label it or having to makeup an explanation.
My philosophy is simple, mind your own business and d not hurt any one about covers it
Don't get me wrong...I love mythology. My copy of the bible joins Bullfinch's Mythology, the Iliad, the Odessey, the Elder and Younger Eddas, Grimm's Fairy tales, and the Lord of the Rings on my bookshelves.(All of which are better reading than it is.)
Fantasy is entertaining, and, at its best, educational.
It just shouldn't be confused with reality.
The Wicca people I know here are always right, their way is the only way, they have an order of authority (I do not accept any thing where some one is placed above another like a "high priestess) and they claim that their religion (created in the 1950's) is thousand of years old when it is not
I do prefer them over christians because they do not try to "force" their beliefs on me (and tend to leave me alone when I tell them I am much darker than they are)

“I'll think about it.”

Since: Nov 07

central Florida

#97823 Mar 30, 2013
Satanic Priest wrote:
<quoted text>The Wicca people I know here are always right, their way is the only way, they have an order of authority (I do not accept any thing where some one is placed above another like a "high priestess) and they claim that their religion (created in the 1950's) is thousand of years old when it is not
Yes, exactly. That's too bad. They have simply substituted the God and Goddess of Nature (which should only be concepts, not real) for the Christian god and kept all the Christian attitude of being more special than the common folk.
One doesn't pray to Nature because Nature isn't personal and doesn't give a damn about an individual. We ARE part of the "organism" (for lack of a better word) of the natural world...we are Nature. It surprises me that people can miss that fact.
Those that defer to a "high priestess/high priest" belong back in a Christian church pew, since they haven't really left it mentally.

“See how you are?”

Since: Jul 12

Earth

#97824 Mar 30, 2013
do whut wrote:
<quoted text>
People's experiences with God are real, and they are personal. That's the cool thing about it. You have your own relationship with God. My experiences won't mean squat to you, but once you feel the Holy Spirit, you then know for yourself, and you want to share it with others, to which it will not mean squat to.
TruthIs wrote:
<quoted text>
See now that is where there seems to be a problem for some (including those that wish to lump and label ANY sector of society with same ignorant broad brush strokes) in differentiating between peoples harmless personal beliefs, and psycho-socioIllogical behaviors.
That type of brandishing is either
A. Outright Ignorance (willful or otherwise)
or
B. Psycho-Socio ILLogical.
Because, many times, there IS a difference.
Many times there is no difference between "peoples harmless personal beliefs and psycho-socioIllogical behaviors." I do not advocate validating and protecting disorders beneath the robes of religion.

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#97825 Mar 30, 2013
ChromiuMan wrote:
<quoted text>
<quoted text>
Many times there is no difference between "peoples harmless personal beliefs and psycho-socioIllogical behaviors." I do not advocate validating and protecting disorders beneath the robes of religion.
I think beliefs are never completely harmless. If a person is taught to believe that faith is a valid, important element of their life then that is creating a space for that person to disregard reason. A person who walks about with a mandate to be unreasonable is dangerous, IMHO. And they vote for people who promote that junk.

And that hurts everyone.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#97826 Mar 30, 2013
aWitchintheWoods wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, exactly. That's too bad. They have simply substituted the God and Goddess of Nature (which should only be concepts, not real) for the Christian god and kept all the Christian attitude of being more special than the common folk.
One doesn't pray to Nature because Nature isn't personal and doesn't give a damn about an individual. We ARE part of the "organism" (for lack of a better word) of the natural world...we are Nature. It surprises me that people can miss that fact.
Those that defer to a "high priestess/high priest" belong back in a Christian church pew, since they haven't really left it mentally.
One of our gardenias just bloomed and it is beautiful and smells so good, will not find that in a "church"
GWB

Roseville, CA

#97827 Mar 30, 2013
Cancer Drug Kills Every Kind of Tumor: Study

Stanford University scientists have discovered a single drug that has killed or shrunk every kind of cancer tumor it has been used against — a new anti-cancer weapon that some have described as a kind of medical Holy Grail.

http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/newswidget/Cance...

“Question, Explore, Discover”

Since: Dec 11

Location hidden

#97828 Mar 30, 2013
GWB wrote:
Cancer Drug Kills Every Kind of Tumor: Study
Stanford University scientists have discovered a single drug that has killed or shrunk every kind of cancer tumor it has been used against — a new anti-cancer weapon that some have described as a kind of medical Holy Grail.
http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/newswidget/Cance...
Man I hope that pans out to something useful!

Since: Nov 12

Location hidden

#97829 Mar 30, 2013
Proverbs 14

King James Version (KJV)

30 A sound heart is the life of the flesh: but envy the rottenness of the bones.

“There is no god”

Since: Jul 12

War, WV

#97830 Mar 30, 2013
In Florida, hundreds of pages of documents detail the sexually explicit text messages allegedly sent by pastor Darrell Gilyard to 14 and 15 year-old girls. A news account provides details of the molestation allegations against Gilyard.



So this is the Florida news, but look at the history of this pastor. Why didn't Baptist leaders stop him sooner?



As reported in the Dallas Morning News, Gilyard left Concord Missionary Baptist Church in Dallas in 1987 after about 25 women complained of his “sexual misconduct.” The senior pastor, Rev. E.K. Bailey,“assumed that would be the end of Darrell Gilyard’s bright evangelistic career.” How tragically wrong he was.



At that time, the First Baptist Church of Dallas and Criswell College president Paige Patterson were promoting Gilyard in Southern Baptist churches. He was considered a rising star. Despite the many allegations against Gilyard, First Baptist officials “decided there was not enough evidence” to further investigate Gilyard, and, according to Rev. Bailey, Paige Patterson wrote him “an unkind letter” saying that “he would have come out to my church and solved the problem for me if I had told him first.”



Apparently, 25 accusations weren’t enough for Paige Patterson. In fact, according to the Dallas Morning News, Patterson painted “Gilyard as a victim” and suggested the accusers were motivated by “jealousy, frustration and racism.”



Patterson wanted “demonstrable evidence” such as “photographs, videotapes or laboratory tests.” Despite 25 women’s accusations, Patterson and First Baptist “continued to recommend” Gilyard.



Hilltop Baptist Church in Norman, Oklahoma, was Gilyard’s next stop. Senior pastor Dan Maxwell said he “had heard rumors” about Gilyard, but “Paige Patterson said he had been out there and talked to the women and there had been nothing to substantiate the allegations.”



At Hilltop, 3 more women reported Gilyard’s sexual advances and sexual misconduct. Reverend Maxwell took the information to Paige Patterson, who said “he did not believe” the stories.



In 1989, Gilyard became an assistant pastor at Shiloh Baptist in Garland, and “allegations of sexual misconduct surfaced again.” Some women met with Paige Patterson in person to discuss their allegations. Counselor Don Simpkins, who was at those meetings, told the Dallas Morning News that, rather than focusing on the allegations against Gilyard, those meetings delved into the women’s own pasts, looking to see whether they were divorced or had psychological problems. More recently, Simpkins gave a stark video interview in which he said that 6 to 8 women met with Patterson at that time and reported everything from rapes to sexual assaults.



During that same time period, another woman reported that she requested a meeting with Paige Patterson to talk about Gilyard, but that her phone calls were not returned.

Still another woman said that Gilyard “pulled me down onto the floor right there in the church” and that, when she tried to report it, Paige Patterson “would not take her calls.” She wrote Patterson a detailed, 10-page letter, but Patterson still “wouldn’t agree to meet” with her.

Multiple Criswell College students said they reported Gilyard to Patterson, but according to news accounts, Patterson said “to refrain from speaking about it."

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