War in heaven???? Afraid so!

War in heaven???? Afraid so!

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Duhhhh Bybull

Paducah, KY

#1 Apr 11, 2013
Hummm thats quite a contradiction huh? War in heaven?? I guess us humans just caint get along nowheres!
We will take a break from the "love" up in heaven to have a war!!!!! Hell fire the bybull sure is full of made up crap.

praise the bloody sun.

http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rev/12.html...
free

Elizabethtown, KY

#2 Apr 11, 2013
Duhhhh Bybull wrote:
Hummm thats quite a contradiction huh?Not~In the image of-as in similar. War in heaven?? I guess us humans just caint get along nowheres!Not~As above-so below
We will take a break from the "love" up in heaven to have a war!!!!!Not~Yin and yang,yin cannot exist without yang. Hell fire the bybull sure is full of made up crap.Not~Man made up crap,limited sences.
praise the bloody sun.Not~Praise the sun of God,can't live without it.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rev/12.html...
You can quote me on this..........
lol

Morehead, KY

#4 Apr 11, 2013
Athiests keep making themselves look stupid with their so-called contradictions.
If only they were half as smart as they think they are..........
fyi

Greenbrier, AR

#6 Apr 11, 2013
lol wrote:
Athiests keep making themselves look stupid with their so-called contradictions.
If only they were half as smart as they think they are..........
...atheists is spelled, atheists ("i" before "e" except after "c" does not apply there)...I am an atheist, I do not consider myself as bright as most christians may think just because I refuse to believe nonsense...but I can spell atheists and christian...and I also know what the periodic table is, and the 101's of biology...science has proved your god false...it's that simple.
Not only did you not pay attention in science class, your English is lacking too....you really can't come on the boards calling people stupid while wearing your shoes.

...you keep praying, I'll keep evolving.
fyi

Greenbrier, AR

#7 Apr 11, 2013
...and you may notice the word, "science" is another exception to the, "i" before "e" except after "c" rule.

...awe, who am I kidding, you didn't notice that.

...you keep praying, I'll keep evolving.
townie

Chicago, IL

#8 Apr 12, 2013
lol wrote:
Athiests keep making themselves look stupid with their so-called contradictions.
If only they were half as smart as they think they are..........
send them a spaghetti monster doll to play with.
lol

Morehead, KY

#9 Apr 12, 2013
fyi wrote:
...and you may notice the word, "science" is another exception to the, "i" before "e" except after "c" rule.
...awe, who am I kidding, you didn't notice that.
...you keep praying, I'll keep evolving.
You can spell but you need help with reading skills and context rules. Maybe some day you will evolve enough for that to register. Until then there are some Bible scholars on here to help you.
real

Elizabethtown, KY

#10 Apr 12, 2013
fyi wrote:
<quoted text>
...atheists is spelled, atheists ("i" before "e" except after "c" does not apply there)...I am an atheist, I do not consider myself as bright as most christians may think just because I refuse to believe nonsense...but I can spell atheists and christian...and I also know what the periodic table is, and the 101's of biology...science has proved your god false...it's that simple.
Not only did you not pay attention in science class, your English is lacking too....you really can't come on the boards calling people stupid while wearing your shoes.
...you keep praying, I'll keep evolving.
fyi's Report Card:
Spelling-B
English-c
Biology-D
Logic-D

Comes pepared-S (satisfactory)
Works well with others-N (needs improvment)

"science has proved your god false...it's that simple."

Science has not proved such a thing, maybe one day they will catch up to the trurh, whatever that is, but not yet.
Point then Laugh

Kuttawa, KY

#11 Apr 12, 2013
real wrote:
<quoted text>
fyi's Report Card:
Spelling-B
English-c
Biology-D
Logic-D
Comes pepared-S (satisfactory)
Works well with others-N (needs improvment)
"science has proved your god false...it's that simple."
Science has not proved such a thing, maybe one day they will catch up to the trurh, whatever that is, but not yet.
Typical christian report card:

Asks questions-never A++++

Understands scientific method-No A+++

Believes what he/she is told without question-yes A++++

Is easy to control-yes A++++

Believes that a "god" and his magic sperm sun Jeebus wrote the bible-yes A++++

Is superstitious and fearful- yes A++++

Able to act loving while secretly hating superbly-yes A++++

Able to resist empathy-yes A+

Always votes republican-yes A++++

Will swear that killing humans during wars is not murder and does not break a commandment-yes A++++

Will swear that America is "gods" chosen country-yes A++
Reality

Houston, TX

#12 Apr 12, 2013
Point then Laugh wrote:
<quoted text>
Typical christian report card:
Asks questions-never A++++
Understands scientific method-No A+++
Believes what he/she is told without question-yes A++++
Is easy to control-yes A++++
Believes that a "god" and his magic sperm sun Jeebus wrote the bible-yes A++++
Is superstitious and fearful- yes A++++
Able to act loving while secretly hating superbly-yes A++++
Able to resist empathy-yes A+
Always votes republican-yes A++++
Will swear that killing humans during wars is not murder and does not break a commandment-yes A++++
Will swear that America is "gods" chosen country-yes A++
WILL see Jesus coming and be ready to meet him-Above average AAA
proof_you_say

London, KY

#13 Apr 13, 2013
" Proved " you say, huh? I guess that is why every thing that would hint towards anything other than god is known as a theory not a fact.
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#14 Apr 13, 2013
Duhhhh Bybull wrote:
Hummm thats quite a contradiction huh? War in heaven?? I guess us humans just caint get along nowheres!
We will take a break from the "love" up in heaven to have a war!!!!! Hell fire the bybull sure is full of made up crap.
praise the bloody sun.
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/rev/12.html...
heaven the abode of spiritual things/ideas.

the war of negative/positive thoughts.

same concept of the titans and the olympians.

Look!

Rev = 4:1

a closed mind is a terrible thing of waste.

free the mind and the rest/peace will follow.

signs, signs everywhere.
Anonymous

Payson, AZ

#15 Apr 13, 2013
Sounds like negrofuxation.
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#16 Apr 13, 2013
Rightly interpreted wrote:
<quoted text>12:17 And the dragon (Satan the devil) was wroth with the woman,(The church, bride of Christ) and went to make war with the remnant of her seed,(On earth after he was cast down) which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
the physical church is just another harlot of the great abomination: another babel.

the kingdom of god is within us. god is with us = immanuel.

Acts 7:48
Howbeit the most High dwelleth not in temples made with hands; as saith the prophet,

Acts 17:24
God that made the world and all things therein, seeing that he is Lord of heaven and earth, dwelleth not in temples made with hands;

and so

1 John 4:13
Hereby know we that we dwell in him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit.

1 John 4:16
And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.

Here I AM
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#17 Apr 13, 2013
fyi wrote:
...and you may notice the word, "science" is another exception to the, "i" before "e" except after "c" rule.
...awe, who am I kidding, you didn't notice that.
...you keep praying, I'll keep evolving.
consciousness evolves and then the form follows function.

science tends to focus on the "process" to form. it doesn't tend to fixate on focus on forms. they are illusory. what was a human trait 10,000 yrs ago, isn't necessarily what will be a human trait 10,000 yrs from now, if humans survive.

looking at a snapshot and calling it the picture. that isn't science.

I AM borg. resistance is futile. you will be assimilated.
fyi

London, KY

#18 Apr 13, 2013
proof_you_say wrote:
" Proved " you say, huh? I guess that is why every thing that would hint towards anything other than god is known as a theory not a fact.
You've been told that "evolution is just a theory", a guess, a hunch, and not a fact, not proven. You've been misled. Keep reading, and in less than two minutes from now you'll know that you've been misinformed. We're not going to try and change your mind about evolution. We just want to point out that "it's just a theory" is not a valid argument.

The Theory of Evolution is a theory, but guess what? When scientists use the word theory, it has a different meaning to normal everyday use. That's right, it all comes down to the multiple meanings of the word theory. If you said to a scientist that you didn't believe in evolution because it was "just a theory", they'd probably be a bit puzzled.

In everyday use, theory means a guess or a hunch, something that maybe needs proof. In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It's a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations. It ties together all the facts about something, providing an explanation that fits all the observations and can be used to make predictions. In science, theory is the ultimate goal, the explanation. It's as close to proven as anything in science can be.

Some people think that in science, you have a theory, and once it's proven, it becomes a law. That's not how it works. In science, we collect facts, or observations, we use laws to describe them, and a theory to explain them. You don't promote a theory to a law by proving it. A theory never becomes a law.

This bears repeating. A theory never becomes a law. In fact, if there was a hierarchy of science, theories would be higher than laws. There is nothing higher, or better, than a theory. Laws describe things, theories explain them. An example will help you to understand this. There's a law of gravity, which is the description of gravity. It basically says that if you let go of something it'll fall. It doesn't say why. Then there's the theory of gravity, which is an attempt to explain why. Actually, Newton's Theory of Gravity did a pretty good job, but Einstein's Theory of Relativity does a better job of explaining it. These explanations are called theories, and will always be theories. They can't be changed into laws, because laws are different things. Laws describe, and theories explain.

Just because it's called a theory of gravity, doesn't mean that it's just a guess. It's been tested. All our observations are supported by it, as well as its predictions that we've tested. Also, gravity is real! You can observe it for yourself. Just because it's real doesn't mean that the explanation is a law. The explanation, in scientific terms, is called a theory.

Evolution is the same. There's the fact of evolution. Evolution (genetic change over generations) happens, just like gravity does. Don't take my word for it. Ask your science teacher, or google it. But that's not the issue we are addressing here. The Theory of Evolution by Natural Selection is our best explanation for the fact of evolution. It has been tested and scrutinised for over 150 years, and is supported by all the relevant observations.

Next time someone tries to tell you that evolution is just a theory, as a way of dismissing it, as if it's just something someone guessed at, remember that they're using the non-scientific meaning of the word. If that person is a teacher, or minister, or some other figure of authority, they should know better. In fact, they probably do, and are trying to mislead you.

Evolution is not just a theory, it's triumphantly a theory!
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#19 Apr 13, 2013
fyi wrote:
<quoted text>
You've been told that "evolution is just a theory", a guess, a hunch, and not a fact, not proven. You've been misled. Keep reading, and in less than two minutes from now you'll know that you've been misinformed. We're not going to try and change your mind about evolution. We just want to point out that "it's just a theory" is not a valid argument.
The Theory of Evolution is a theory, but guess what? When scientists use the word theory, it has a different meaning to normal everyday use. That's right, it all comes down to the multiple meanings of the word theory. If you said to a scientist that you didn't believe in evolution because it was "just a theory", they'd probably be a bit puzzled.
In everyday use, theory means a guess or a hunch, something that maybe needs proof. In science, a theory is not a guess, not a hunch. It's a well-substantiated, well-supported, well-documented explanation for our observations. It ties together all the facts about something, providing an explanation that fits all the observations and can be used to make predictions. In science, theory is the ultimate goal, the explanation. It's as close to proven as anything in science can be.
Some people think that in science, you have a theory, and once it's proven, it becomes a law. That's not how it works. In science, we collect facts, or observations, we use laws to describe them, and a theory to explain them. You don't promote a theory to a law by proving it. A theory never becomes a law.
This bears repeating. A theory never becomes a law. In fact, if there was a hierarchy of science, theories would be higher than laws. There is nothing higher, or better, than a theory. Laws describe things, theories explain them. An example will help you to understand this. There's a law of gravity, which is the description of gravity. It basically says that if you let go of something it'll fall. It doesn't say why. Then there's the theory of gravity, which is an attempt to explain why. Actually, Newton's Theory of Gravity did a pretty good job, but Einstein's Theory of Relativity does a better job of explaining it. These explanations are called theories, and will always be theories. They can't be changed into laws, because laws are different things. Laws describe, and theories explain.
Just because it's called a theory of gravity, doesn't mean that it's just a guess. It's been tested. All our observations are supported by it, as well as its predictions that we've tested.
Next time someone tries to tell you that evolution is just a theory, as a way of dismissing it, as if it's just something someone guessed at, remember that they're using the non-scientific meaning of the word. If that person is a teacher, or minister, or some other figure of authority, they should know better. In fact, they probably do, and are trying to mislead you.
Evolution is not just a theory, it's triumphantly a theory!
law and theory aren't the same thing.

a law is true in all instances a theory isn't.

changing the meaning of a word based on a persons character/occupation is biased. that again isn't science. science isn't fixed on verbage, or using a specific language. it's about understanding and not pretending to know better than someone else. science doesn't recognize differing opinions based on knowing.

science means simply knowing; like omniscience or omni-all science = knowing. to know means to know not based upon different observations/perspectives

western institutionalized science doesn't have a working theory for gravity. it eludes them. science theorizes upon what it doesn't understand. trying to explain why it can't yet understand what might be understandable.

all of these are beliefs in their simplest understanding.

to speak english doesn't equate to speak australian english, american english, or the queen's english.
real

Elizabethtown, KY

#20 Apr 13, 2013
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn!

“When you know a thing, to recognize that you know it, and when you do not know a thing, to recognize that you do not know it. That is knowledge”
- Confucius -

It is sad that a proponent of the scientific method / evolution is just as in the dark about scientific terms as theists.

Facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Moreover, fact doesn't mean absolute certainty, there ain't no such animal in this exciting and complex world. In fact, a fact today only means confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent today.

I don't concern myself with labels my friend. I just say, my views about God are my own, and you are welcome to your own...
The concept of God/no God, is a matter of each individual's belief and there are probably no two alike, much like any individual's opinions about any given subject.

Who really cares, believe what you wish to believe, be happy and sure in what you believe for yourself. It probably doesn't make any difference in the long run.

For example you cannot PROVE gravity will always be consistent at all times (its not). You can only observe that it’s consistently true. You can’t prove that the sun will come up tomorrow morning either. You literally have to take it on faith. In fact most people don’t know that outside the science circle is a philosophy circle. Science is based on philosophical assumptions that you cannot scientifically prove. Actually, the scientific method cannot prove, it can only infer. On the bright side, science is catching up.
harpocrates

Middlesboro, KY

#21 Apr 14, 2013
real wrote:
Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn!
“When you know a thing, to recognize that you know it, and when you do not know a thing, to recognize that you do not know it. That is knowledge”
- Confucius -
It is sad that a proponent of the scientific method / evolution is just as in the dark about scientific terms as theists.
Facts and theories are different things, not rungs in a hierarchy of increasing certainty. Facts are the world's data. Theories are structures of ideas that explain and interpret facts. Moreover, fact doesn't mean absolute certainty, there ain't no such animal in this exciting and complex world. In fact, a fact today only means confirmed to such a degree that it would be perverse to withhold provisional consent today.
I don't concern myself with labels my friend. I just say, my views about God are my own, and you are welcome to your own...
The concept of God/no God, is a matter of each individual's belief and there are probably no two alike, much like any individual's opinions about any given subject.
Who really cares, believe what you wish to believe, be happy and sure in what you believe for yourself. It probably doesn't make any difference in the long run.
For example you cannot PROVE gravity will always be consistent at all times (its not). You can only observe that it’s consistently true. You can’t prove that the sun will come up tomorrow morning either. You literally have to take it on faith. In fact most people don’t know that outside the science circle is a philosophy circle. Science is based on philosophical assumptions that you cannot scientifically prove. Actually, the scientific method cannot prove, it can only infer. On the bright side, science is catching up.
you're confusing hard sciences as the only sciences. philosophy is a science.

http://www.lps.uci.edu/

http://journal.philsci.org/
real

Elizabethtown, KY

#22 Apr 14, 2013
harpocrates wrote:
<quoted text> you're confusing hard sciences as the only sciences. philosophy is a science.
http://www.lps.uci.edu/
http://journal.philsci.org/
My bad, if so presumed. I do believe that the hard sciences will very soon, catch up with all the other older sciences... Those who mock, ENABLE DENIAL.

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