'Fox News Sunday' to Host Kentucky Senate Debate

Oct 1, 2010 | Posted by: Top Mod2 | Full story: thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com

"Fox News Sunday" is heading to Louisville, Ky. Jack Conway, Kentucky's attorney general and the Democratic candidate for Senate , and Rand Paul, the Republican nominee and son of Representative Ron Paul, Republican of Texas, have agreed to a live debate on "Fox News Sunday" on Oct.3 at 9 a.m. (Eastern time).

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Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#93120 Apr 10, 2013
Republican Honey wrote:
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With all due respect, no I am not.
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World War II was easily the costliest war in American history, gobbling up 45 percent of America's gross national product. In addition to levying income taxes on everyone earning more than $600 a year, the government raised the rest of the money through war bonds and deficit financing. The federal debt ballooned from 52 percent of Gross Domestic Product in 1940 to 120 percent by the end of the war, the highest in history.
In relative terms, the Iraq war has been fairly cheap by historical standards, costing about $120 billion a year or around one per cent of GDP, compared to 45 percent of GDP for World War II. In absolute terms, however, the Iraq war is the "second most expensive war" in American history after World War II. According to Hormats, it has been financed largely through the issuing of treasury bonds, 40 to 45 percent of which have been bought by foreigners.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker...
The United States beat the Nazis and Japs in less than 4 years.

Plus we did not waste Trillions and Trillions of dollars occupying their countries.

It was shameful and disgraceful that Bush and Cheney did not raise taxes to pay for two wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

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The Military-Industrial-Congressio nal Complex Pt1

Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#93121 Apr 10, 2013
Republican Honey wrote:
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With all due respect, no I am not.
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World War II was easily the costliest war in American history, gobbling up 45 percent of America's gross national product. In addition to levying income taxes on everyone earning more than $600 a year, the government raised the rest of the money through war bonds and deficit financing. The federal debt ballooned from 52 percent of Gross Domestic Product in 1940 to 120 percent by the end of the war, the highest in history.
In relative terms, the Iraq war has been fairly cheap by historical standards, costing about $120 billion a year or around one per cent of GDP, compared to 45 percent of GDP for World War II. In absolute terms, however, the Iraq war is the "second most expensive war" in American history after World War II. According to Hormats, it has been financed largely through the issuing of treasury bonds, 40 to 45 percent of which have been bought by foreigners.
http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker...
Iraq/Military-Industrial Complex/The Ruling Class
http://tinyurl.com/28ubsjy


Why We Fight
http://tinyurl.com/bn73v
http://www.sonyclassics.com/whywefight/main.h...

We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. Today the real test of power is not capacity to make war but capacity to prevent it. The guns and the bombs, the rockets and the warships, are all symbols of human failure. History teaches that war begins when governments believe the price of aggression is cheap.
Dwight D. Eisenhower
wtf

Pikeville, KY

#93122 Apr 10, 2013
Aristocles son of Ariston wrote:
Told to "lean forward" then BAM!
\"UP YOURS"/ says Obama!
Dimocrats been Flim-Flammed, Hood-Winked and bent over over yet again!
Some 70 years ago, politicians in Washington decided that they needed to take charge of our retirement savings. They levied a mandatory payroll tax to establish a Social Security fund that would pay workers after they retired. This was to keep old people from the indignity of eating cat food.
This worked just fine for about 30 years. In fact, it was so financially successful that politicians — closely related to common bank robbers — decided that they wanted a more hands-on approach to spending all of this free money flowing in. So, in 1968, President Johnson and Congress jointly started raiding your retirement account.
No longer would workers’ payroll taxes be spent only on retirements. Instead, politicians could spend your retirement savings on all their more pressing priorities such as political favors, boondoggles and government buildings. Never mind that if an evil Wall Street tycoon did this, he would go directly to jail.
So here were are, another 40 years of reckless spending later. The amount of money coming in from payroll taxes is now eclipsed by the amount that goes out in payments to retirees. This Ponzi scheme is, shall we say, underwater, and the sanest people involved are calling for Social Security “reform.”
This would be like if you had a bank and robbers walked in every day for 40 years and stole everything customers had deposited. Then, after 40 years, people come in to withdraw their money only to find that all their deposits for the past 40 years have vanished. The only money left to be withdrawn is that which was deposited that day.
Stunned, broke and perplexed, you walk out onto the sidewalk and standing there is one of the bank robbers. He is holding a picket sign calling for “bank withdrawal reform” and talking about how people should start depositing more money and how they just need to learn to withdraw less.
What is really scary is that this guy standing on the street is the most honest of the bunch. At least he says he has given up his days as a bank robber.
So it is today with the Social Security reformers in the Republican Party. Still, it is worth asking,“Well, how about federal government reform? Or thieving politician reform? Or, stop stealing our money reform?”
Although it is a wee bit apparent that Mr. Obama suddenly realizes that Social Security is faltering as a federal government Ponzi scheme, there is no evidence that he is ready to give up the big-spending, high-rolling ways of a bank robber. On the contrary: A stunning report from The Hill newspaper last week suggests he aims to take the thieving to yet another level.
As Dimocrats hide and watch with eyes wide SHUT, watch and see what Oblamer does!
So what did Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and Bush do you stupid ass?
Therealnews com

West Sayville, NY

#93123 Apr 10, 2013
Republican Honey wrote:
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The Bush administration warned as early as April 2001 that Fannie and Freddie were too large and overleveraged and that their failure “could cause strong repercussions in financial markets, affecting federally insured entities and economic activity” well beyond housing. Bush’s plan would have subjected Fannie and Freddie to the kinds of federal regulation that banks, credit unions, and savings and loans have to comply with. In addition, Republican Richard Shelby, then chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, pushed for comprehensive GSE (government-sponsored enterprises) reform in 2005. And who blocked these efforts at reforming Fannie and Freddie? Democrats such as Christopher Dodd and Representative Barney Frank, along with the then-junior senator from Illinois, Barack Obama, who backed Dodd’s threat of a filibuster (Obama was the third-largest recipient of campaign gifts from Fannie and Freddie employees in 2004).
http://www.theblogmocracy.com/2010/08/17/in-a...
For 8 years Bush and Cheney did nothing to bring back Glass/Steagall so Wall Street cannot steal again from average Americans.

Obama is also guilty and so is Clinton.

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Government Bailouts: A U.S. Tradition Dating to Hamilton
SEPTEMBER 20, 2008 / http://tinyurl.com/ygk788s
The bubble pops. Lenders freeze. Depositors lose faith. Panic spreads. And the government steps in because nobody else will.
Today it is Treasury Secretary Henry Paulson and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke putting together the rescue package for a financial system rocked by falling home prices and a wave of defaults on subprime mortgages.
But a short walk through U.S. history demonstrates the point made by Alex J. Pollock of the American Enterprise Institute: "If you would like an empirical law of government behavior, it is that in a panic or threatened financial collapse, governments intervene -- every government, every party, every country, every time."
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1221866620360...

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John McCain’s friend Fred Dalton Thompson : enabled S & L crisis of '80s
Please spread the word....this is not the type of man we want as President.
In 1975, Thompson began his eighteen year engagement as a lobbyist in Washington, D.C., eventually representing clients including Westinghouse, General Electric (the current corporate owner of the NBC Universal-NBC television network), Westinghouse used to own CBS TV and the Tennessee Savings and Loan League

By 1982, Thompson worked the U.S. Congress membership as a lobbyist for passage of the Savings and Loan deregulation legislation desired by the Tennessee Savings and Loan League --- in this case, federal deregulation legislation allowing for additional government support of ailing S&Ls; giving U.S. thrifts the freedom to invest in potentially more profitable, but riskier, ventures; and eliminating interest-rate ceilings on new accounts to increase S&Ls' competitiveness.

Enacted into law during in September 1982, the Senate bill pushed by Thompson was incorporated into the Garn - St Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982.
The Garn - St Germain Depository Institutions Act of 1982 is widely credited with having laid the groundwork for the U.S. Savings and Loan crisis of the late 1980s

The savings and loans crashes of the 1980s, themselves directly the result of Reagan’s deregulation of the banking industry, is more interesting because of how it reflects the rapacious nature of unbridled capitalism than of Neil Bush himself. Who by the way, is now embroiled in another scam with his latest venture, educational software, Ignite
(turnover $20 million, much of it from educational subsidies obtained in the state of Florida ,where,‘coincidentally’ of course, his bro Jeb Bush, was governor).
wtf

Pikeville, KY

#93124 Apr 10, 2013
Aristocles son of Ariston wrote:
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All Republicans want is to mend the safety need Dimocrats have been shredding for decades!
I do not support "doing away" with Social Security! Neither do other Republicans, that's a misrepresentation at the very LEAST!
If it isn't fixed and "locked away" so politicians cannot continue to raid it is done, following talking points will not fix the problem, ignoring the reality will not make it go away!
Calling Republicans names will not secure Social Security!
Allowing more illegals to draw SSI sure as hell won't help save the safety net!
So what did Nixon, Ford, Reagan, and the Bushes do to save it you stupid SOB?
wtf

Pikeville, KY

#93125 Apr 10, 2013
baaaaaaaaaaaa wrote:
Hey libs, oblamers sequestration has made our military incapable of responding to immediate threats. Did you hear that 1/3 of all Air Force flights have to be stopped? Wow, we should have put that money into social programs for lazy incompetent low intellect voters. baaaaaaaaa, but you anti-American libs never appreciated or respected the military anyway. Now N. Korea is shaking in its boots. baaaaaaaaaa
You are full of BS you ignorant SOB.
truth

Hyden, KY

#93126 Apr 10, 2013
is Social Security don't add one dime to our dept.it the only thing in gov. that pays its way .why would this even be a issue in trying cut debt?unless its just a way try rob the old folks of their retirement.
well

Louisville, KY

#93128 Apr 10, 2013
scared

Since: Dec 11

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#93129 Apr 10, 2013
truth wrote:
is Social Security don't add one dime to our dept.it the only thing in gov. that pays its way .why would this even be a issue in trying cut debt?unless its just a way try rob the old folks of their retirement.
Because that system is supposed to be a safety net!
Politicians have robbed from it and misappropriated those funds for stupid $#IT. If it isn't locked so they cannot continue to robbed from it old folks and handicapped Americans will have to eat cat food! Ignoring the truth has not worked yet, we are now within 10 or 20 years of bankrupting that system!

Since: Dec 11

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#93130 Apr 10, 2013
>robbed< [rob]:)
jerri

Ashland, KY

#93131 Apr 10, 2013
Intolerant of Idiots wrote:
You Republican Tea Party Members watch Fox News and call yourself Intelligent? LMAO! That's like saying that RuPaul ain't gay!
I take it you wouldn't be caught dead watching Fox News?LOL!!!!!!!!!!
whitehair

Eminence, KY

#93132 Apr 10, 2013
Aristocles son of Ariston wrote:
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Because that system is supposed to be a safety net!
Politicians have robbed from it and misappropriated those funds for stupid $#IT. If it isn't locked so they cannot continue to robbed from it old folks and handicapped Americans will have to eat cat food! Ignoring the truth has not worked yet, we are now within 10 or 20 years of bankrupting that system!
From what has been told, Obama`s new Budget will cut back on SS# payments as they will figure the method differently ,as to the cost of living , or, COLA. Another way to save money for the gov`t to spend, at the seniors expense. None will likely lose enough to make a difference, but when millions of one dollar at a time are counted all together, you have millions of dollars. Just another way to screw the people.

As long as we have this type of POTUS, and these types of people(and we always do) the only things we, the People can do, is try to keep them out of the people`s gov`t.
The Witch

Ashland, KY

#93133 Apr 10, 2013
wtf wrote:
<quoted text>So what did Nixon, Ford, Reagan, Bush, and Bush do you stupid ass?
A curse of warts on your stupid tongue.
baaaaaaaaaaa

Lansing, MI

#93134 Apr 10, 2013
Just checking back for a quick view, see none of you libs can face the s.s. cuts, where are all the proud and sassy comments, you post about other things, are you having a hard time dealing with your POTUS decisions, baaaaaaaaaa
jerri

Ashland, KY

#93135 Apr 10, 2013
whitehair wrote:
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From what has been told, Obama`s new Budget will cut back on SS# payments as they will figure the method differently ,as to the cost of living , or, COLA. Another way to save money for the gov`t to spend, at the seniors expense. None will likely lose enough to make a difference, but when millions of one dollar at a time are counted all together, you have millions of dollars. Just another way to screw the people.
As long as we have this type of POTUS, and these types of people(and we always do) the only things we, the People can do, is try to keep them out of the people`s gov`t.
Once it starts robbing SS , it will never end
spocko

Oakland, CA

#93136 Apr 10, 2013
truth wrote:
is Social Security don't add one dime to our dept.it the only thing in gov. that pays its way .why would this even be a issue in trying cut debt?unless its just a way try rob the old folks of their retirement.
Social Security is not the huge contributor to the deficit that the Republicans (so desperately) would have you believe, unless you believe that the United States is literally going to collapse in the near future - Social Security is not -! Besides, Social Security isn't even hard to understand, FICA taxes go in, benefits go out. Unlike healthcare, which involves extremely difficult questions of technological advancement and the specter of rationing, Social Security is just arithmetic. Right now, Social Security costs about 4.5% of GDP. That's going to increase as the baby boomer generation retires, and then in 2030 it steadies out at around 6% of GDP. We have been running surpluses for quite some time adding to the Trust Fund’s assets. Some projections, using current numbers, promised benefits outstripping tax revenues such that the Trust Fund’s assets may be depleted in just 30 years. But all that’s required are some minor changes in either the pay-ins or pay-outs in the future but Social Security is not part of the alleged Federal deficit crisis. But that has never stopped the modern leaders of our two Parties from raiding the Trust Fund to bankroll the General Fund. But let’s be clear, the trust fund has not been raided - "Raiding" means using the funds to pay other expenses, and thereby depleting the funds. That has not happened. Putting the revenues into Treasury bonds means the money has been lent to the government. By law, since 1939, it must be in invested in securities backed by the U.S. government, which essentially are IOUs. By law, it must be paid back.–Why is that so difficult for some people to understand–? I suspect, the answer to that is that they have no desire to understand it, because they desperately hold to the troglodyte (right-wing) fiction that the funds are "gone" - so they can outright lie to younger people and irresponsibly mislead them into thinking they will never see a dime of their Social Security. That is false in every way and on so many different levels.

FICA taxes only apply to earnings up to an inflation-indexed cap, now at $106,800. Anything you earn above that amount has no FICA tax deducted from it. Raise the cap to $150,000 and the problem is solved.
whitehair

Eminence, KY

#93137 Apr 10, 2013
It started when the SS# was put into the general fund and removed from the so called lock box. There was a pile of money there and the Congress could not keep their eyes off it, and figured out a way to use it .Really doesn`t matter any as to who ,what, because we do know the why.

Again , we vote them into office, and they never leave. Why is it the people mean well ,but keep them in office?
whitehair

Eminence, KY

#93138 Apr 10, 2013
Spocko-you are correct ,up to a point.

The lock box , Trust Fund, is full of the Gov`t I.O.U.`s . The funds are gone and spent, but the little white sheets of gov~t debt. remain.

So, the SS# has now to be paid by the funds being returned, out of the general fund.

As long as every thing goes well, it is well. Let there be a general depression, not enough funds(taxes)going in ,seniors will be hurt.

This is over simplified,of course,

The real point is a simple fact,there is nothing in the So Called Lock Box,The Trust fund,only I.O.U.`S!
wtf

Pikeville, KY

#93140 Apr 10, 2013
The Witch wrote:
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A curse of warts on your stupid tongue.
Truth hurts you ignorant SOB's.
wtf

Pikeville, KY

#93141 Apr 10, 2013
baaaaaaaaaaa wrote:
Just checking back for a quick view, see none of you libs can face the s.s. cuts, where are all the proud and sassy comments, you post about other things, are you having a hard time dealing with your POTUS decisions, baaaaaaaaaa
No, I hope he cuts you off completely you ignorant A hole.

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