Zimmerman Trial:
truth

Morehead, KY

#189 Jul 1, 2013
uuummm wrote:
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Was he an off duty policeman?
I can approach someone in my neighborhood and ask them what business they have there but I might get punched in the face for it if they are afraid of me. Then someone might die from a gunshot. I think I will just call the police and let them handle it unless someone is in immanent danger.
The point is that someone keeps commenting that he was authorized and he was not authorized to engage anyone. He chose to do approach someone not familiar with his surrounding or neighbors and a tragedy occurred.
I didn't say he was an off duty policeman. I'm saying he didn't need authorization to look out for his neighborhood....and I guess you didn't take notice that the first thing he did was call for the police (as you say you would have done. But Trayvon attacked him before the police arrived.....and he had a right to defend himself.
NoLimitRalph

London, KY

#192 Jul 1, 2013
Now wait a minute. You argue on one hand Martin had every right to stand his ground and Zimmerman created the situation by his actions.

Couldn't Martin trespassing have created the situation? Zimmerman actually being a resident and Martin an UNREGISTERED guest.

One being legal and Martins' illegal. Trespassing. Therefore Martin can not claim stand your ground. Remember he was high on pot and lean.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#193 Jul 1, 2013
Lisa wrote:
<quoted text>Please don't embarrass yourself further because it hurts to watch. All Martin had to do was stand against any one of those fences. It was dark and he would blend into the darkness in the corner between the house and fence. His black skin and jacket allowed him to remain invisible until he ambushed Z. Those bushes were taller than two ft and much wider than three. It would have been just as easy for him to crouch behind the bushes in the darkness. Z would have no clue. You do realize he could have been standing right out in the open a few feet back and wouldn't be detected by an unsuspecting person. You don't get out much, do you?
Did you mention who originated the pursuit?

I don't know about the one you're posting to , but I do get out alot.

What I can say is, this is going to be a tough case with the main reason being, Martin was being pursued without reason. Did Zimmerman have a reason to pursue him, or was it just because he was a black kid with a hood that's worn by teenagers across the country? It was dark, but it does get dark every night.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#194 Jul 1, 2013
uuummm wrote:
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You cannot know who attacked whom. That is the problem with this case. It is zimmerman's word against a dead 17 year old.
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Was it illegal to be in someone's yard? Misdemeanor at most...and he was 17 cutting across a yard. Doesn't matter that he was not on his own property.
BTW, your name calling just shows your racist attitude and your stupidity. It does nothing for your argument.
Well stated. Also, Zimmerman had police training and he knew where the cameras were on the properties.

If I noticed someone was chasing me in the dark, I'd be turning around and saying " you want a piece of me" too?
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#195 Jul 1, 2013
It wasn't premeditated, therefore I'm not sure if he was charged with Murder One?

What he had actually planned was, trouble, thus why he went locked and loaded in HIS pursuit.

When he called 911 for "trespaassing", then he should have stopped immediately and waited for the police officers to arrive.

Zimmerman also was NOT registered a community protector. He was "self-appointed".

Half of America could be picked up for trespassing if they were to be arrrested for walking in someone else's yard. I do that practically daily myself.

If this community wanted security, the ones I've seen are gated and an official security office sits in a booth at the gate.
Keith Stone

Helenwood, TN

#198 Jul 2, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
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Did you mention who originated the pursuit?
I don't know about the one you're posting to , but I do get out alot.
What I can say is, this is going to be a tough case with the main reason being, Martin was being pursued without reason. Did Zimmerman have a reason to pursue him, or was it just because he was a black kid with a hood that's worn by teenagers across the country? It was dark, but it does get dark every night.
"Without reason"? The 911 tape explains that Martin was observed looking into houses and lurking in the dark. How can you say it was, "without reason"? The hoodie was more than likely to keep video cameras from seeing his face. Zimmerman had every reason to follow and observe Martin.
WillyP

Bowling Green, KY

#199 Jul 2, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
Zimmerman also was NOT registered a community protector. He was "self-appointed".
Still making up your own "facts" SpitUp? You probably ought to consider that everyone following the trial already knows better. The lady who serves as the Sanford Police Department Neighborhood Watch Coordinator has already testified that George was a honest to goodness Neighborhood Watch Captain. Not only that, she testified that he was one of the best she had ever worked with and had been offered (and declined) a position with the Sanford Police Department Civilian Auxiliary. That position included a take-home car and wearing an official uniform. So much for your "wannna-be cop" crock of crap.
Ralph

London, KY

#200 Jul 2, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
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I hate to break this to your unworldly soul, but that's a saying used by Italians! lmao
I could go back to the Gilliam thread and find you with 1400 different names. That's what cowards do however.
Frankly, I wish you weren't so stupid, but I'm sure with your biological chain, it's impossible not to be.
Maybe you have found your level of ability? What seems a mystery to you? Everyone else does not have a problem distinguishing my post, regardless of which name. I really don't feel signing up offers any advantage and no room for expression of individual thought and expression.

I'll send up a smoke signal just for you. lmao

Since: Sep 09

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#204 Jul 2, 2013
So in Florida you can follow someone at night (even someone under eighteen) first in a car then get out to follow them on foot, make the first move in a confrontation, instigate a fight or be the cause of the fight, then if you begin losing that fight you can shoot and kill the person you were following?

I think Zimmerman will get out of it. But not because he's innocent. Only because of the jury. I think he merits some type of punishment due to him causing what took place.

Zimmerman's actions that night wasn't just 'bad judgement'..... it was 'horrible judgement' and stupidity. It caused the death of a boy. Neighborhood watch can be a good thing, but not if it evolves into armed vigilantes or allows wannabe a police officer types into it.

Why would you follow someone at night (remember, Zimmerman wasn't wearing any type uniform, only street clothes), then stop them after the police told you not to, and think the person isn't going to be spooked enough to react to it? What law was the boy breaking? Wearing a hoodie on a public sidewalk? I own several hoodies.

I'm a woman, if spooked in a confrontation with a man at night I would be doing my best to fight and in that fight doing my best to hurt or kill him, too. There is a stand your ground law which gave the boy every right to defend himself. I would definitely feel threatened if followed at night and then the man speed up and stop me.

What Zimmerman did would spook anyone, particularly a young person male or female.

Concealed weapons are to protect yourself from being attacked. Not so you can go up to people walking down a sidewalk, start a confrontation, and then kill that person if they start kicking your butt in the fight you started. What law is there against walking down a sidewalk? Was the boy breaking any law? It was Zimmerman following the boy and stopped him. Not the other way around.

Zimmerman's story is he was attacked first. He also said the police officer assaulted him first when he was arrested for assault on a police officer in 2005. And he used the same story later when charges of domestic violence was brought against him. Is there a pattern to using that story when he's involved in violence? Three known incidents since 2005. Each time claiming he was attacked (including claiming a police officer attacked him him when he was arrested in 2005).

There are Only three simple questions.

What law was the boy breaking?

Who was being followed in the dark by a stranger?

Who is now dead?
yea

London, KY

#206 Jul 2, 2013
I hope and pray to God this kids family gets justice I could not even imagine the hurt and pain of loosing a child after having him 17 years just because a want to be cop chose to take his life .It would be worse enough to loose a child at a natural death and I am like the other poster I had thought about him banging his own head on the concrete to keep from going to jail .
ITsMeRalph

London, KY

#207 Jul 2, 2013
"make the first move in a confrontation, instigate a fight or be the cause of the fight"

Strawman assumption not backed by a single piece of physical evidence. However Zimmerman's version was once again upheld when ANOTHER STATE MEDICAL EXPERT testified although not the scenario he has in his mind but very possible.

Two prosecution expert medical witnesses have now confirmed Zimmerman's account.

Why must you lie over something that does not even concern you? You have a problem.
ITsMeRalph

London, KY

#208 Jul 2, 2013
yea wrote:
I hope and pray to God this kids family gets justice I could not even imagine the hurt and pain of loosing a child after having him 17 years just because a want to be cop chose to take his life .It would be worse enough to loose a child at a natural death and I am like the other poster I had thought about him banging his own head on the concrete to keep from going to jail .
Have you actually read anything?

When did Zimmerman have time to bang his head on concrete? The entire event only took 7 minutes. 4 minutes and 12 seconds of which Zimmerman was on the phone with 911. Residents made how many 911 calls. Residents immediately there after the shooting. That sneaky white Hispanic banged his head before he left his house and then broke his nose and pounded himself in the side of the head. Put grass and water on his clothes then he went out gunning for No-Limit.

Wow?
ITsMeRalph

London, KY

#209 Jul 2, 2013
Logic is your friend.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#210 Jul 2, 2013
Keith Stone wrote:
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"Without reason"? The 911 tape explains that Martin was observed looking into houses and lurking in the dark. How can you say it was, "without reason"? The hoodie was more than likely to keep video cameras from seeing his face. Zimmerman had every reason to follow and observe Martin.
Was he in fact actually up against someone's window looking in, or, was he just walking along, turning his head toward someone's window. I'm not sure that isn't something we'd all do should we be walking within a complex area of that nature where it's bumper to bumper and one could hardly turn their head without it appearing as though we're looking "through" a window.

If he had reason to follow and observe....it should have been just that. That "follow and observe" is not inclusive of a loaded gun and killing another human being. He had "no damn reason". Truth of it is, the least he should get is Manslaughter.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#211 Jul 2, 2013
ITsMeRalph wrote:
"make the first move in a confrontation, instigate a fight or be the cause of the fight"
Strawman assumption not backed by a single piece of physical evidence. However Zimmerman's version was once again upheld when ANOTHER STATE MEDICAL EXPERT testified although not the scenario he has in his mind but very possible.
Two prosecution expert medical witnesses have now confirmed Zimmerman's account.
Why must you lie over something that does not even concern you? You have a problem.
It's "possible" he could have waited for a police officer and it done the right way also. Anything's "possible" isn't it?
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#212 Jul 2, 2013
ITsMeRalph wrote:
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Have you actually read anything?
When did Zimmerman have time to bang his head on concrete? The entire event only took 7 minutes. 4 minutes and 12 seconds of which Zimmerman was on the phone with 911. Residents made how many 911 calls. Residents immediately there after the shooting. That sneaky white Hispanic banged his head before he left his house and then broke his nose and pounded himself in the side of the head. Put grass and water on his clothes then he went out gunning for No-Limit.
Wow?
46 calls in 8 yrs., he must have loved that stalking routine of his. When you "stalk" someone, you desserve what you get. If I were a man and he was following me in the dark for no reason, I'd be banging his head as well. I'd show him that no one died and left him a police officer, which he apparently tries to simulate.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#213 Jul 2, 2013
Isn't it a shame that when someone starts a fight, and can't finish it, they have to kill someone?
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#214 Jul 2, 2013
WillyP wrote:
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Still making up your own "facts" SpitUp? You probably ought to consider that everyone following the trial already knows better. The lady who serves as the Sanford Police Department Neighborhood Watch Coordinator has already testified that George was a honest to goodness Neighborhood Watch Captain. Not only that, she testified that he was one of the best she had ever worked with and had been offered (and declined) a position with the Sanford Police Department Civilian Auxiliary. That position included a take-home car and wearing an official uniform. So much for your "wannna-be cop" crock of crap.
Awwwwww, she wanted him to play dress up doll huh? Civilian Auxiliary? Now that's a slap in Zimmerman's face. Tell me, why is it he can't make it to being a REAL police officer?
LawnOrnament

London, KY

#215 Jul 2, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
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Awwwwww, she wanted him to play dress up doll huh? Civilian Auxiliary? Now that's a slap in Zimmerman's face. Tell me, why is it he can't make it to being a REAL police officer?
Did that come from the transcripts? YFM
truth

Morehead, KY

#216 Jul 2, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
So in Florida you can follow someone at night (even someone under eighteen) first in a car then get out to follow them on foot, make the first move in a confrontation, instigate a fight or be the cause of the fight, then if you begin losing that fight you can shoot and kill the person you were following?
I think Zimmerman will get out of it. But not because he's innocent. Only because of the jury. I think he merits some type of punishment due to him causing what took place.
Zimmerman's actions that night wasn't just 'bad judgement'..... it was 'horrible judgement' and stupidity. It caused the death of a boy. Neighborhood watch can be a good thing, but not if it evolves into armed vigilantes or allows wannabe a police officer types into it.
Why would you follow someone at night (remember, Zimmerman wasn't wearing any type uniform, only street clothes), then stop them after the police told you not to, and think the person isn't going to be spooked enough to react to it? What law was the boy breaking? Wearing a hoodie on a public sidewalk? I own several hoodies.
I'm a woman, if spooked in a confrontation with a man at night I would be doing my best to fight and in that fight doing my best to hurt or kill him, too. There is a stand your ground law which gave the boy every right to defend himself. I would definitely feel threatened if followed at night and then the man speed up and stop me.
What Zimmerman did would spook anyone, particularly a young person male or female.
Concealed weapons are to protect yourself from being attacked. Not so you can go up to people walking down a sidewalk, start a confrontation, and then kill that person if they start kicking your butt in the fight you started. What law is there against walking down a sidewalk? Was the boy breaking any law? It was Zimmerman following the boy and stopped him. Not the other way around.
Zimmerman's story is he was attacked first. He also said the police officer assaulted him first when he was arrested for assault on a police officer in 2005. And he used the same story later when charges of domestic violence was brought against him. Is there a pattern to using that story when he's involved in violence? Three known incidents since 2005. Each time claiming he was attacked (including claiming a police officer attacked him him when he was arrested in 2005).
There are Only three simple questions.
What law was the boy breaking?
Who was being followed in the dark by a stranger?
Who is now dead?
Who told you zimmerman stopped Trayvon? And which policeman told him "not to"?

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