Zimmerman Trial:
justice for trvn

Caryville, TN

#83 Jun 29, 2013
Sam I am wrote:
<quoted text>could NOT say he saw Trayvon smashing Zimmerman's head into in concrete. I doubt Mr. Zimmerman smashed his own head into the concrete and broke his own noise. If Mr. was hurt from a fall then he must have fallen several times, So he fell got one injury and fell again and again. Does that sound like what happened?
I hope Trayvon had smashed his head before he murdered him. That young man was not doing anything wrong. Maybe you would fight for your life too, if you saw someone stalking you with a gun. I hope he is punished for what he did, and as for his injuries, maybe since the arrest did not happen immediately, since he has family as judge and officers, they figured an injury may help keep him out of prison, you know this young boy who he stalked, beat him up, even though Zimmerman spent a big part of each week in marshal arts. I don't care how his face got messed up, I just hope the young man did get in a few, but, I doubt it.
justice for trvn

Caryville, TN

#84 Jun 29, 2013
WillyP wrote:
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Do you really believe what you just posted? Uneducated? She is a 19 year-old high school senior. She's speaking the truth? She's changed her story so many times it's impossible to keep track. Which time was she telling the truth? Was it when she was unable to read the document she had testified that she wrote? Was it when she heard the "sounds of grass" over a cell phone? Was it when she said she heard T. Martin say "Get off" after she previously denied hearing such a thing? Was it when she testified there was nothing offensive about T. Martin referring to Zimmerman as a "white ass cracker"? Was it when she said she was two years younger than her real age? Was it when she made up the story that she couldn't attend the funeral because she was in the hospital? Pretty much everyone except you agrees that her testimony has been an unmitigated disaster for the prosecution.
Are you so racist, you cannot stand the fact you do not know your facts. The girl really is slow, she cannot even read cursive, like it or not. Maybe she cannot articulate very well, she did not have the privileges most kids do. So what if Martin said the man stalking him with a gun was a cracker, how many times have you used the N word, racist. Rachel is 19, just getting out of 11th grade, will be senior. Yeah, she is intelligent.. This girl did not want to attend the funeral, like she said she felt guilty, she knew the family may be hurt at her. Big deal she lied about her age, what has that to do with why he was stalked and murdered.
truth

Morehead, KY

#85 Jun 29, 2013
Trayvon attacked Zimmerman
justice for trvn

Caryville, TN

#86 Jun 29, 2013
truth wrote:
Trayvon attacked Zimmerman
BS.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#87 Jun 29, 2013
Sam I am wrote:
<quoted text>could NOT say he saw Trayvon smashing Zimmerman's head into in concrete. I doubt Mr. Zimmerman smashed his own head into the concrete and broke his own noise. If Mr. was hurt from a fall then he must have fallen several times, So he fell got one injury and fell again and again. Does that sound like what happened?
I've seen some extreme falls in my time that has caused some severe damage. The broken nose could have been a punch, yes. I'd punch someone too if they'd been following me, I didn't know who they were and why. So, you're indicating you're someone who would just fold up in a situation like that? The bottom line is, if you're a weak security such as apparently Zimmerman must have been, then he's in the wrong business. He got some damage obviously before his loaded gun protected him.

You're missing the point. Why would this kid he was following not protect himself? Was this the 47th time Zimmerman had called the police on someone? Was Zimmerman obsessed with wanting to be a cop and not being able to become one? Was Zimmerman told to STOP after he made the call?

I think Self Defense is tough when you initiate the situation yourself. He was doing nothing less than reflecting he's watched too many Bronson movies. When the cops tell you to stop, you stop. This kid isn't alive to tell his side, however, if there was any self defense here, in my personal opinion, it was the kid. When a stranger is following you in the dark, clear and simple, you bust his as- if you can.

This isn't about a security guard defending himself against someone breaking in an apartment holding a ball bat or a gun. This was a self-appointed vigilante Bronson with a loaded gun who was persuing a kid that was simply walking through the complex and frankly singled out because he was black. Do you understand that? Regardless of the kid's background or experience, the police officers could have put a spotlight on that entire complex once they arrived, and handled the situation without a death.

I will repeat. I suspect he will get off. However, I personally think he should be charged with something. A kid is dead that we all know, could have been prevented.
truth

Morehead, KY

#89 Jun 29, 2013
SpeakUp, the 6 foot 2 inch "little kid" wasn't walking the sidewalk. He was walking behind the houses
Ralph

London, KY

#90 Jun 29, 2013
The physician’s assistant who treated Zimmerman the next day said that Zimmerman complained of feeling nauseated upon reflecting what had happened. But Lindzee Folgate attributed that to psychological factors rather than any physical condition. She also said it appeared his nose was broken, but it was impossible to say for sure since no X-rays were taken. She recommended he see an ear-and-nose doctor and a psychologist.

When O’Mara asked if abrasions on his head were consistent with someone who had his had slammed into concrete, Folgate said,‘‘it could be consistent, yes.’’

She also testified that Zimmerman had written on a form reciting his medical history that he was exercising three times a week by doing mixed martial arts, a statement that prosecutor Bernie de la Rionda asked her to repeat.

Paramedic Stacy Livingston, who responded to the shooting scene, testified Zimmerman had a swollen, bleeding nose and two cuts on the back of his head an inch long. When O’Mara asked if Zimmerman should have been concerned with his medical well-being because of his injuries, Livingston said,‘‘Possibly.’’

Which at the time Zimmerman dusted off the thug. Only has to prove what the PA stated. I believed I was in danger of death or seriously bodily harm. That's it. Nothing else matters since all the evidence supports Zimmerman.

You are one of those aren't you? One that believes a white Hispanic can stage a "clean shoot" scene with witnesses no less.

I bet you actually have pain from your stupidity.
Ralph

London, KY

#91 Jun 29, 2013
"When O’Mara asked if abrasions on his head were consistent with someone who had his had slammed into concrete, Folgate said,‘‘it could be consistent, yes.’’

Read more at http://www.topix.com/forum/city/london-ky/TC5...
Ralph

London, KY

#93 Jun 29, 2013
"In his final questions for Folgate, O’Mara asked her whether Zimmerman’s life may have been in danger.

“Medically speaking, would you agree that whatever he did to stop the attack allowed him to survive it?” asked O’Mara.

“It could have, potentially, yeah. It depends on the amount of trauma he was sustaining at the time,” said Folgate.

“So, stopping the attack is what allowed him to survive it, would you agree?” asked O’Mara.

“It could have, yes,” said Folgate."

http://wqad.com/2013/06/28/witness-puts-zimme...
Racheal

Greenbrier, AR

#94 Jun 29, 2013
TrayvonsLimit wrote:
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http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/03/23/george-...
"The Sentinel quotes college officials as saying,“Due to the highly charged and high-profile controversy involving this student, Seminole State has taken the unusual but necessary step this week to withdraw Mr. Zimmerman from enrollment. This decision is based solely on our responsibility to provide for the safety of our students on campus as well as for Mr. Zimmerman.”
Zimmerman has attended classes sporadically at the college since he enrolled in 2003. At the time he was seeking a vocational certificate to work in the insurance industry. He re-enrolled in 2009 in a 4-year general studies degree program."
Yes, he was asked to discontinue classes. Because of lying beeches just like you. This is a man's life and you want to use the mommy gene? You are a fool. Same as with the Trump story and a plethora of others. I will enjoy laughing at you when George Zimmerman walks.
A lot of people,including her laughed when Oj walked.See where he is at now ?The same way with Z ,even if he walks he is another Oj,He'll never be free,And the racist twist from whites,nichole deserved it for fooling with a N/Right?Of course the black excuse,they too knew he was guilty/most/ but saw a chanch to show white america by letting a guilty black go free to piss us off,worked ,but in the end another jury got him/so will they Z,JUSTICE WILL happen.
zoom

Winchester, KY

#95 Jun 29, 2013
If I was on the jury it wouldn’t matter who was on top or who was getting the better of the fight. Zimmerman initiated the incident and the result was him killing an innocent person. It’s just that plain and simple. It seems like the obvious is being clouded by irrelevant details. If someone jumps from their vehicle and chases you, should you passively let them do as they please? Anyone without legal authority to physically detain or hold someone could kill a person that resists. Great job for a pedophile, legally follow kids around the neighborhood and physically abuse them.“It’s OK kid”,“I’m a neighborhood watch leader and that allows me to put my hands on you!!”“If you resist I can kill you”!! There has to be a line where even a neighborhood watch leader has to stop. I’m a firm believer in the right to carry, but, that right comes with a great responsibility. How many times do people carrying guns get themselves into situations that they would not have gotten into if they were not armed? Would Zimmerman have chased Martin if he knew he didn’t have a gun to rely on? Probably not!! There’s a big difference in carrying a gun for protection and carrying a gun to protect yourself from the irresponsible decisions you make.
Ralph

London, KY

#97 Jun 29, 2013
Racheal wrote:
<quoted text>A lot of people,including her laughed when Oj walked.See where he is at now ?The same way with Z ,even if he walks he is another Oj,He'll never be free,And the racist twist from whites,nichole deserved it for fooling with a N/Right?Of course the black excuse,they too knew he was guilty/most/ but saw a chanch to show white america by letting a guilty black go free to piss us off,worked ,but in the end another jury got him/so will they Z,JUSTICE WILL happen.
You want a conviction which flies in the face of evidence presented.

You want "Guilty" not JUSTICE. That makes you much worse than the man tried and soon to be acquitted.
WillyP

Bowling Green, KY

#98 Jun 29, 2013
justice for trvn wrote:
<quoted text>Are you so racist, you cannot stand the fact you do not know your facts. The girl really is slow, she cannot even read cursive, like it or not. Maybe she cannot articulate very well, she did not have the privileges most kids do. So what if Martin said the man stalking him with a gun was a cracker, how many times have you used the N word, racist. Rachel is 19, just getting out of 11th grade, will be senior. Yeah, she is intelligent.. This girl did not want to attend the funeral, like she said she felt guilty, she knew the family may be hurt at her. Big deal she lied about her age, what has that to do with why he was stalked and murdered.
Your conclusions about me are about as valid as your judgments of the participants in the trial. In both cases your lack of knowledge is on full display and your theories, which are presented as fact, are easily identified as the way you wish it was rather than the way it is. I won't further intrude into your parallel universe by pointing out what you are incapable of seeing.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#99 Jun 29, 2013
zoom wrote:
If I was on the jury it wouldn’t matter who was on top or who was getting the better of the fight. Zimmerman initiated the incident and the result was him killing an innocent person. It’s just that plain and simple. It seems like the obvious is being clouded by irrelevant details. If someone jumps from their vehicle and chases you, should you passively let them do as they please? Anyone without legal authority to physically detain or hold someone could kill a person that resists. Great job for a pedophile, legally follow kids around the neighborhood and physically abuse them.“It’s OK kid”,“I’m a neighborhood watch leader and that allows me to put my hands on you!!”“If you resist I can kill you”!! There has to be a line where even a neighborhood watch leader has to stop. I’m a firm believer in the right to carry, but, that right comes with a great responsibility. How many times do people carrying guns get themselves into situations that they would not have gotten into if they were not armed? Would Zimmerman have chased Martin if he knew he didn’t have a gun to rely on? Probably not!! There’s a big difference in carrying a gun for protection and carrying a gun to protect yourself from the irresponsible decisions you make.
Now there's a logical post. Bottom line, if he got his head slammed and nose broke, did he not ask for it? Him being "community protector" was self-appointed and unregistered. He was the one who persued the other. He was the one that didn't stop after police told him to. He was the one playing Bronson with a loaded gun.

I think your last sentence tells it all "there's a big difference in carrying a gun for protection vs carrying a gun to protect yourself....from your own irresponsible decisions". That tells it all.

Even though most posters on here, and the media blitz, is referring to the situation as racist, to me, that has little to do with the facts. It might have had something to do initially with Zimmerman spotting the kid walking and his color being a reason for it ...what other reason would there have been when a kid is doing nothing but walking. But if you're out to play Bronson, you'd better be ready like Bronson. If Zimmerman was involved with martial arts, then he'd better find himself another instructor because it appears he couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag. But, he sure knew how to pull the trigger on a loaded gun.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#100 Jun 29, 2013
Ralph wrote:
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You want a conviction which flies in the face of evidence presented.
You want "Guilty" not JUSTICE. That makes you much worse than the man tried and soon to be acquitted.
Let's be clear right up front for record. I have already stated my suspicion is he'll be acquitted, but it certainly won't be on fact. It'll be via his Attorney's focus on "he wanted to protect his community".

Do you understand Logics 101? Who pursued who? Who had a loaded gun? What precisely was the justification for the encounter? Who ignored a police officer's order to STOP. Was the encounter based only on an unqualified Zimmerman's suspicions? Who was it that CAUSED the altercation, then couldn't defend himself in any other way than to pull the trigger on the LOADED gun he brought to the scene? Do we blame the deceased for the fact he was FOLLOWED for NO reason except his mistake of walking, for defending himself against a stalker in the night...with a loaded gun?
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#102 Jun 29, 2013
WillyP wrote:
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Your conclusions about me are about as valid as your judgments of the participants in the trial. In both cases your lack of knowledge is on full display and your theories, which are presented as fact, are easily identified as the way you wish it was rather than the way it is. I won't further intrude into your parallel universe by pointing out what you are incapable of seeing.
If I may please........

Theories? I would suggest this poster's "theories" are as accurate as the judgement call Zimmerman personally made when he decided to stalk a kid walking in the dark, bearing a loaded gun...for a reason....of his own. We can only hope you don't have a 17 yr. old or so child that's walking home from church one night after dark and someone decides he or she has no business breathing oxygen.
WillyP

Bowling Green, KY

#106 Jun 29, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
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If I may please........
Theories? I would suggest this poster's "theories" are as accurate as the judgement call Zimmerman personally made when he decided to stalk a kid walking in the dark, bearing a loaded gun...for a reason....of his own. We can only hope you don't have a 17 yr. old or so child that's walking home from church one night after dark and someone decides he or she has no business breathing oxygen.
Let's examine the theories set forth above by "justice for trvn":
1. The black female witness was deprived of privileges enjoyed by whites. Where is the evidence of this? She had money for drugs and alcohol which she openly boasted about. She had a cell phone which is a luxury a lot of whites don't enjoy. She went to a public high school which presumably also has white students.
2. She lied for understandable reasons but told the truth on the stand. Actually a lie is a lie whether it's for an understandable reason or not.(Bill Clinton can verify this). And, she was under oath when the lies were told. Further, she changed her story so many times on the stand that even her allies admitted she hurt the prosecution's case. Please keep in mind that this trial is a political show that's being exposed for what it is. Law Enforcement accepted George Zimmerman's story of self defense and did not charge him. It was only when the race-baiters got media attention ("Trayvon was hunted down like a rabid dog", etc, etc)that the politicians overrode the police and local prosecutor and appointed a special prosecutor to file charges that even the most racist blacks acknowledged didn't fit the alleged crime. Now their racist actions are laid bare for the word to see and there ain't no there there.
As for George Zimmerman's motives, I don't have a clue and neither do you.(Have you noticed Trayvon is always mentioned by his first name but George is not?) All I know is that he displayed a lot more restraint than I would have and was beaten up pretty bad before defending himself. He says he was in fear for his life and so far there's not a shred of evidence that conflicts with his statement. But, you want to deny him the lawful right to protect his own life based solely on his skin color. That attitude was wrong in the days of the KKK and it's equally wrong now. If the race of the two parties was reversed I have zero doubt that your opinion would also reverse. I can assure you that my opinion would not!
WillyP

Bowling Green, KY

#107 Jun 29, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
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Let's be clear right up front for record. I have already stated my suspicion is he'll be acquitted, but it certainly won't be on fact. It'll be via his Attorney's focus on "he wanted to protect his community".
Do you understand Logics 101? Who pursued who? Who had a loaded gun? What precisely was the justification for the encounter? Who ignored a police officer's order to STOP. Was the encounter based only on an unqualified Zimmerman's suspicions? Who was it that CAUSED the altercation, then couldn't defend himself in any other way than to pull the trigger on the LOADED gun he brought to the scene? Do we blame the deceased for the fact he was FOLLOWED for NO reason except his mistake of walking, for defending himself against a stalker in the night...with a loaded gun?
You prejudice is really showing, SU. As the saying goes, you're entitled to your own opinion but not to your own facts.

1. The circumstances of the so-called "encounter" are in question. George Zimmerman says he was returning to his vehicle when he was attacked and sucker-punched by Martin. The location of the encounter is documented and supports his statement. This is based on his known location at the time of the last 911 call. No witness has contradicted him. So, "Who caused the altercation"? I don't know and neither do you.

2. Just curious since it really doesn't make any difference as stated above: Why do you twist "We don't need you to do that" from the 911 operator to "an order from a police officer"? Are your facts so unhelpful that you need to embellish them?
Keith Stone

Pine Knot, KY

#108 Jun 29, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
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Keith, when you follow someone in the dark, you are placing yourself in a dangerous position.
I don't know why you're referring to NBC when it's been on every channel on t.v. and further, I haven't watched NBC. I simply do not watch alot of t.v. and when I do, it's the History Channel, the Stock Market reports CNBC on that, maybe watch some local news from time to time.
If someone killed my son in a case like this, I don't know that I wouldn't have 5 bounties on him. Bottom line is, this was a senseless killing. Regardless of Martin's size, or whatever, Zimmerman didn't know him from Adam & Eve when he was chasing him down. I doubt Zimmerman checked Martin's biography before chasing him down with a loaded gun. This was another sheer, senseless killing. The way Zimmerman even sits emotionless is the courtroom, does he realize regardless of anything, he took someone's life? I think he's wanting to appear more as a hero than anything else and with all this publicity, don't count it out he'll write a book when he's done!
So, now Zimmerman was, "chasing him down.", you make it up as you go because you don't understand any of it. Just because a young life was taken doesn't necessarily the young one was right. You have a right to your opinion but when it comes to facts, you can't change that.

Show some facts or sthu.
NoLimitHonkey

London, KY

#109 Jun 29, 2013
"The Martin family also criticized the Sanford police department for failing to identify their son more quickly. Martin's body was left in the morgue for three days, classified as a "John Doe." The family charges that officers didn't bother to ask neighbors if they recognized Martin, who had been staying with his father in the neighborhood."

http://www.examiner.com/article/full-911-audi...

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