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<quoted text>P.S.S. Lisa Gilliam_ Innocent of charges, not the crime.
I knew you'd be bringing that one up, ole' predictable one. And that's perfectly alright.

The difference in the Gilliam case was, there was absolutely NO evidence against the Defendant, and, she passed a Lie Detector Test. That woman wasn't any more guiltier than my dog and you know it. What's the matter? Did she slap you down a time or two?

I'm wondering if, in the Z case, one was given? Did you hear on that?
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You could only know if you do or have carried one.
I don't carry a gun nor do I own one. Why? For one reason, I have grandchildren that I don't want to be even remotely in the presence of where one is. Why? I had a 12 yr. old nephew assisting in cleaning a gun, his Father present, it accidentally went off and he now is pushing up daisies. I also don't appreciate the Columbines or Newports. In addition, I don't appreciate the Z's.

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I knew you'd be bringing that one up, ole' predictable one. And that's perfectly alright.
The difference in the Gilliam case was, there was absolutely NO evidence against the Defendant, and, she passed a Lie Detector Test. That woman wasn't any more guiltier than my dog and you know it. What's the matter? Did she slap you down a time or two?
I'm wondering if, in the Z case, one was given? Did you hear on that?
Yes and he passed it.

You can`t be a Nazi, and have it both ways....

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I don't carry a gun nor do I own one. Why? For one reason, I have grandchildren that I don't want to be even remotely in the presence of where one is. Why? I had a 12 yr. old nephew assisting in cleaning a gun, his Father present, it accidentally went off and he now is pushing up daisies. I also don't appreciate the Columbines or Newports. In addition, I don't appreciate the Z's.
His father was a dumbass and I hope he suffers until the day he dies.
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I don't carry a gun nor do I own one. Why? For one reason, I have grandchildren that I don't want to be even remotely in the presence of where one is. Why? I had a 12 yr. old nephew assisting in cleaning a gun, his Father present, it accidentally went off and he now is pushing up daisies. I also don't appreciate the Columbines or Newports. In addition, I don't appreciate the Z's.
Well, there are reasons for everything. But it was not the gun's fault. Of course, you would say that had the gun not been present it would not have happened and that's true. But if Rule #1 of cleaning a gun, looking at a gun, anything other than carrying for it's intended use had been followed, it would not have happened. Make sure the gun is unloaded. I taught my son from a very early age, never accept someone's word a gun is loaded even if you see them check it. Gun shop workers always check them before handing them to you. I've watched him in such shops, he checks again. It's not a show, it's just automatic for him.

I once discharged a weapon without intending to. Fortunately no body was hurt and the bullet went out an open door. Given the circumstances, someone else had loaded it, people tried to tell me it was an accidental discharge. It wasn't and I didn't accept that. It was my fault. I did not check that weapon to see if it was loaded because I knew it was not loaded when I put it down.
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I knew you'd be bringing that one up, ole' predictable one. And that's perfectly alright.
The difference in the Gilliam case was, there was absolutely NO evidence against the Defendant, and, she passed a Lie Detector Test. That woman wasn't any more guiltier than my dog and you know it. What's the matter? Did she slap you down a time or two?
I'm wondering if, in the Z case, one was given? Did you hear on that?
"A day after killing Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman passed a police lie detector test when asked if he confronted the teenager and whether he feared for his life “when you shot the guy,” according to documents released today by Florida prosecutors.

According to a “confidential report” prepared by the Sanford Police Department, Zimmerman, 28, willingly submitted to a computer voice stress analyzer (CVSA)“truth verification” on February 27. Investigators concluded that he “has told substantially the complete truth in regards to this examination.”

Zimmerman, the report noted,“was classified as No Deception Indicated (NDI).”

Along with questions about whether his first name was George and if it was Monday, Zimmerman was asked,“Did you confront the guy you shot?’ He answered,“No.” He was also asked,“Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy.” Zimmerman replied,“Yes.”

Before the CVSA test, Zimmerman--who was apparently not accompanied by legal counsel--signed a Sanford Police Department release stating that he was undergoing the examination “voluntarily, without duress, coercion, threat or promise.”

The lie detector test was requested by Chris Serino, a homicide investigator with the Sanford Police Department."

Probably has no relevance now does it?
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Maybe one of the reasons you didn't fear was because just possibly you can fight your way out of a paper bag. Another might be, you're not a cop "wanna be". The other might be, it wasn't dark and you weren't a "stranger in the dark"?
Then it could be just as I stated. The other person squared off and didn't attack from secret.

Face it you ignorant troll. Trayvon and fools like you killed him. Keep making excuses for antisocial behavior for an entire race. We do have the cure.
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<quoted text>Yes and he passed it.
You can`t be a Nazi, and have it both ways....
Could you show me where it's credibly stated he took a lie detector test. Now wasn't it your team that said since the Defendant in the Gilliam case was a Parole Officer, she knew how to get around that? Didn't Z take police training? We could go back and forth on that, but I'll be interested to see a credible documentation of the fact that Z took a Lie Detector Test.

You can't have it both ways...Communist.
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Ralph wrote:
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Then it could be just as I stated. The other person squared off and didn't attack from secret.
Face it you ignorant troll. Trayvon and fools like you killed him. Keep making excuses for antisocial behavior for an entire race. We do have the cure.
Tell me...you also defended C Anthony and OJ?

You post constantly. I post constantly. I'm a troll. You aren't. Fancy those odds! No, what you are is a frickin' moron and carry a vengeance because your neighbor has a nicer trailor than you.
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Who knows wrote:
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Well, there are reasons for everything. But it was not the gun's fault. Of course, you would say that had the gun not been present it would not have happened and that's true. But if Rule #1 of cleaning a gun, looking at a gun, anything other than carrying for it's intended use had been followed, it would not have happened. Make sure the gun is unloaded. I taught my son from a very early age, never accept someone's word a gun is loaded even if you see them check it. Gun shop workers always check them before handing them to you. I've watched him in such shops, he checks again. It's not a show, it's just automatic for him.
I once discharged a weapon without intending to. Fortunately no body was hurt and the bullet went out an open door. Given the circumstances, someone else had loaded it, people tried to tell me it was an accidental discharge. It wasn't and I didn't accept that. It was my fault. I did not check that weapon to see if it was loaded because I knew it was not loaded when I put it down.
What you're stating, in part, may be true....IF we lived in a perfect world. Fact is, we do not, never have nor will we in the future. The kid who blasted Newport...his Mom had taken him to target practice, supposedly taught him how to respect guns...the whole 9 yds., but POOF, look what happened. Every single day on the news, more are killed with guns...guns, guns and guns. This is not the Daniel Boone era. It's more the Jesse James. You can be as careful as you are with a gun...you. There are 10 more that aren't.
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"A day after killing Trayvon Martin, George Zimmerman passed a police lie detector test when asked if he confronted the teenager and whether he feared for his life “when you shot the guy,” according to documents released today by Florida prosecutors.
According to a “confidential report” prepared by the Sanford Police Department, Zimmerman, 28, willingly submitted to a computer voice stress analyzer (CVSA)“truth verification” on February 27. Investigators concluded that he “has told substantially the complete truth in regards to this examination.”
Zimmerman, the report noted,“was classified as No Deception Indicated (NDI).”
Along with questions about whether his first name was George and if it was Monday, Zimmerman was asked,“Did you confront the guy you shot?’ He answered,“No.” He was also asked,“Were you in fear for your life, when you shot the guy.” Zimmerman replied,“Yes.”
Before the CVSA test, Zimmerman--who was apparently not accompanied by legal counsel--signed a Sanford Police Department release stating that he was undergoing the examination “voluntarily, without duress, coercion, threat or promise.”
The lie detector test was requested by Chris Serino, a homicide investigator with the Sanford Police Department."
Probably has no relevance now does it?
The type of questions posed to Z in the test, were ONLY specific questions relative to the DIRECT charge. Of course, after Z stalked him, appeared in the dark as a stranger, etc., when M got out of his sights and he continued, he would at that point have been scared. When M rightfully so, given the situation, jumped him, he had a right to be scared then.

I'm not arguing the charge vs not guilty of charge. I am considering all surrounding reasoning from start to finish, which of course was not the CHARGE.

It had relevance to the CHARGE, not whether or not he was guilty of the crime.
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How was it "rightful" for Martin to attack Zimmerman? Did they change the law just for Martin?
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How can you or anybody question the rights from wrong when you were not there??Stop pretending.Nobody was there!Three sides Martins z and the truth and the truth!

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Could you show me where it's credibly stated he took a lie detector test. Now wasn't it your team that said since the Defendant in the Gilliam case was a Parole Officer, she knew how to get around that? Didn't Z take police training? We could go back and forth on that, but I'll be interested to see a credible documentation of the fact that Z took a Lie Detector Test.
You can't have it both ways...Communist.
I`ll show you why there won`t be a civil trial.

http://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Tell me...you also defended C Anthony and OJ?
You post constantly. I post constantly. I'm a troll. You aren't. Fancy those odds! No, what you are is a frickin' moron and carry a vengeance because your neighbor has a nicer trailor than you.
No you are a troll because of post exactly like this one. You are pissed over Trump, Paul, and all the other subjects you were so wrong about.

The difference in a troll and a prophet is the troll is always wrong.

Trump, Zimmerman, Paul, finances and reality, all wrong all the time.

Please don't insult my trailer. It is located in the county that sent your dark meat loving ass packing 40 years ago.
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Juror B29 was framed… sort of (Another shameful editing by the lamestream media against Zimmerman)
Hotair ^| 07/27/2013 | Jazz Shaw

Allahpundit took a first look at the big Juror B29 Breaking News on Thursday, and like many of us, was left scratching his head. The headlines which showed up all across the media all focused on one money line from ABC’s big interview with “Maddy” because it was just so gosh darned irresistible.“George Zimmerman Got Away With Murder.”

Another person who jumped on that headline, albeit from a different angle, was Dr. James Joyner. That’s not surprising given the number of others who reported the “news” pretty much as presented by ABC. But now he’s had time to look over the situation and found that there was a lot more (or perhaps less) to the truncated interview clips than met the eye. Joyner points us to William Saletan, who takes a look at the unedited interview and determines,“The media are reporting that a juror says Zimmerman is guilty of murder. That’s not true.“

The reports are based on an ABC News interview with Juror B29, the sole nonwhite juror. She has identified herself only by her first name, Maddy. She’s been framed as the woman who was bullied out of voting to convict Zimmerman. But that’s not true. She stands by the verdict. She yielded to the evidence and the law, not to bullying. She thinks Zimmerman was morally culpable but not legally guilty. And she wants us to distinguish between this trial and larger questions of race and justice.

ABC News hasn’t posted a full unedited video or transcript of the interview. The video that has been broadcast—on World News Tonight, Nightline, and Good Morning America—has been cut and spliced in different ways, often so artfully that the transitions appear continuous. So beware what you’re seeing. But the video that’s available already shows, on closer inspection, that Maddy has been manipulated and misrepresented.

From Joyner:

The bottom line is that ABC News exploited “the only minority of the Zimmerman jury,” attempted to take advantage of someone not accustomed to being on television or otherwise expressing herself publicly, and then selectively edited the tape when they were unsuccessful in getting the story they wanted. Other outlets, including “the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Chicago Tribune, and dozens of other newspapers” were duped along with me.

Saletan makes a number of pretty much unassailable points on this, so read that entire piece. One of the chief ones is that the top, link baiting quote from the interview – that Zimmerman “got away with murder”– was, as the author puts it,“put in her mouth.” If you saw the highlights from the interview playing endlessly on ABC, CNN and NBC – to name only a few – you saw Maddy reciting that line as if it was her heartfelt conclusion in a moment of juror’s remorse. But when you watch the full interview,(which I’ll include below for your own judgement) you’ll see what really happened. The “journalist” in question fed her that line word for word, prefaced with the ubiquitous,“some people are saying…” for good measure, and then asking B29 to respond. She pauses for quite a while, starts, stops, and then repeats the line the interviewer had said, as if judging how it sat on her tongue. Only then does she add in her own thoughts about how the verdict was legal and that she stands by it, but morally she feels that Zimmerman may have to answer to God for the incident. And even there she clearly seems to allow that none of us know what really happened and aren’t in a position to judge.

I agree with Dr. Joyner that this was some pretty shameful editing on the part of ABC for the many instances where they used the footage, and the rest of the networks are equally culpable for lapping it up. Anyway, as I indicated above, here’s the full clip. Decide for yourself.

CLICK ABOVE LINK FOR THE VIDEO
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we have Stand your ground in Kentucky, so all you Trayvon wannabes, you may just get shot
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rebel yell wrote:
we have Stand your ground in Kentucky, so all you Trayvon wannabes, you may just get shot
Thank you for sharing your insanity with us. That's something you should really be proud of. If you and some of your coherts could get your nost out of the Civil War's as-, you might just be able to grow your little town from such a miniscule population to one that really counts. Your ignorances got your as- busted in the Civil War and it might happen again. Because the free people in this Nation will never pemit you ever again to have FREE labor and be able to BEAT human beings bloody, rap- their wives or sell their children. People like you are animalistic and need to be caged. Lincoln should have let Stanton have his way and wiped your as- off the face of the earth.
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Thank you for sharing your insanity with us. That's something you should really be proud of. If you and some of your coherts could get your nost out of the Civil War's as-, you might just be able to grow your little town from such a miniscule population to one that really counts. Your ignorances got your as- busted in the Civil War and it might happen again. Because the free people in this Nation will never pemit you ever again to have FREE labor and be able to BEAT human beings bloody, rap- their wives or sell their children. People like you are animalistic and need to be caged. Lincoln should have let Stanton have his way and wiped your as- off the face of the earth.
cohert?
nost?
No wonder you can't get a job with decent pay.
Bless your heart

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Thank you for sharing your insanity with us. That's something you should really be proud of. If you and some of your coherts could get your nost out of the Civil War's as-, you might just be able to grow your little town from such a miniscule population to one that really counts. Your ignorances got your as- busted in the Civil War and it might happen again. Because the free people in this Nation will never pemit you ever again to have FREE labor and be able to BEAT human beings bloody, rap- their wives or sell their children. People like you are animalistic and need to be caged. Lincoln should have let Stanton have his way and wiped your as- off the face of the earth.
I don't really know where the Civil War comes in to the Zimmerman and Martin case, but Kentucky was a border state Civil War. President Abraham Lincoln recognized the importance of the Commonwealth when he declared "I hope to have God on my side, but I must have Kentucky." In a September 1861 letter to Orville Browning,[2] Lincoln wrote "I think to lose Kentucky is nearly the same as to lose the whole game.... We would as well consent to separation at once, including the surrender of the capital."

Kentucky, being a border state, was among the chief places where the "Brother against brother" scenario was prevalent although such separation occurred well into the northern states. Kentucky was officially neutral at the beginning of the war, but after a failed attempt by Confederate General Leonidas Polk to take the state of Kentucky for the Confederacy, the legislature petitioned the Union for assistance, and thereafter became solidly under Union control.

So maybe you don't really know who won. Bless your heart. You say that for people with small mental capacity then you can talk about them.

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