Zimmerman Trial:
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#520 Jul 20, 2013
I happen to be in the city today and low and behold, there was a PEACEFUL gathering at the Daley Center regarding Trayvon. I will repeat, everyone attending the gathering was very nice and respectful and yes, the majority were black. Actually, they were so nice, they were pushing around ice carts with bottled water giving it to people because it was so hot. I said to my husband "if this were a white gathering, they'd charge you $6/bottle for the water to capitalize on the occasion".

I stood there a few minutes just listening to see what the speakers had to say and what they said, they were dead on with. The State of Florida needs to revisit their laws. Anyone can walk around packing a gun and if they so decide themselves they feel endangered (opinion only), they can just shoot you. Trayvon was a kid simply singled out and personally "suspected". There was NO fear for life when he was singled out and suspected. It was the onset of this situation that led to the eventual death of this young man and so senseless.

I guess, given Florida's results more recently, you can just go kill your children and shoot innocent people you "think" seem out of place in your opinion, then walk free. I guess also there's a reason why Florida allows criminals to come there and live, protecting their property from lawsuits.

Stand your Ground definitely needs to be revisited.

It's nice that people like this can gather peacefully in front of the Daley Center, and join together for their cause.

I listened awhile and upon leaving, I gave the entry guard a high five and said "keep up the good work".
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#521 Jul 20, 2013
_satan_64 wrote:
<quoted text>For one, Zimmerman DID NOT have to testify, The prosecutor played all six of his taped interviews, so the prosecutor testified for him.
How many times have you said to others, "those azzholes always get away with it" when watching someone speed, drink and drive, jay walk, steal from a store, etc.....
Zimmerman DID NOT physically go to Martin, even the police testimony was he walked past where Martin was hiding and turned around, and proceeded to meet the police, when Trayvon jumped him, and broke his nose, then proceeded to bash his head into the sidewalk.
If you seen me walking through your neighborhood, and i looked suspicious and you decide to keep an eye on me, would you defend yourself, if I jumped out and attacked you?
What I would do if someone took it upon themselves to feel I didn't belong where I was peacefully walking and start following me, I'd be busting me some head too if I were a brave person as M was. You see, Mr. Z didn't expect this YOUNG black kid to know martial arts. Therefore, the deal is, the whimp shouldn't have tried to play Captain of the police dept. to begin with. If it had been me, Z would have had more than one crack in his head.

And no, Defense didn't have to offer up Z for bait, because had they done so, it automatically opens it up for prosecution to tear his as- to bits. Defense wasn't about to put themselves into a position where the actual real truth could have been brought out.

Bottom line is, M would have never hid in the bushes to jump Z had he not been singled out to be followed from the onset. M didn't cause this confrontation because he didn't start it. Therein lies the guilt, which was not included as a piece of evidence for the charges. Casey Anthony walked. Z walked. Go Florida!

Z didn't count on bravery. He only counted on getting his name in the paper and causing a police dept. to take notice of him. THAT is what it was about.
sure

Morehead, KY

#522 Jul 20, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
I happen to be in the city today and low and behold, there was a PEACEFUL gathering at the Daley Center regarding Trayvon. I will repeat, everyone attending the gathering was very nice and respectful and yes, the majority were black. Actually, they were so nice, they were pushing around ice carts with bottled water giving it to people because it was so hot. I said to my husband "if this were a white gathering, they'd charge you $6/bottle for the water to capitalize on the occasion".
I stood there a few minutes just listening to see what the speakers had to say and what they said, they were dead on with. The State of Florida needs to revisit their laws. Anyone can walk around packing a gun and if they so decide themselves they feel endangered (opinion only), they can just shoot you. Trayvon was a kid simply singled out and personally "suspected". There was NO fear for life when he was singled out and suspected. It was the onset of this situation that led to the eventual death of this young man and so senseless.
I guess, given Florida's results more recently, you can just go kill your children and shoot innocent people you "think" seem out of place in your opinion, then walk free. I guess also there's a reason why Florida allows criminals to come there and live, protecting their property from lawsuits.
Stand your Ground definitely needs to be revisited.
It's nice that people like this can gather peacefully in front of the Daley Center, and join together for their cause.
I listened awhile and upon leaving, I gave the entry guard a high five and said "keep up the good work".
Was you and your husband out to get you some free stuff and disappointed it was peaceful? At least you got a free water. You might have better luck next time. Obama and holder might get this stirred up to riot and lute yet.
Reasoning

Krypton, KY

#523 Jul 20, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
<quoted text>
What I would do if someone took it upon themselves to feel I didn't belong where I was peacefully walking and start following me, I'd be busting me some head too if I were a brave person as M was. You see, Mr. Z didn't expect this YOUNG black kid to know martial arts. Therefore, the deal is, the whimp shouldn't have tried to play Captain of the police dept. to begin with. If it had been me, Z would have had more than one crack in his head.
And no, Defense didn't have to offer up Z for bait, because had they done so, it automatically opens it up for prosecution to tear his as- to bits. Defense wasn't about to put themselves into a position where the actual real truth could have been brought out.
Bottom line is, M would have never hid in the bushes to jump Z had he not been singled out to be followed from the onset. M didn't cause this confrontation because he didn't start it. Therein lies the guilt, which was not included as a piece of evidence for the charges. Casey Anthony walked. Z walked. Go Florida!
Z didn't count on bravery. He only counted on getting his name in the paper and causing a police dept. to take notice of him. THAT is what it was about.
And when you busted you some head, you would be the aggressor and the law tends to side against the aggressor. What Zimmerman did was not against the law, but what Martin did was. And yes, all Zimmerman had to do to justify deadly force was feel (his opinion) that his life was in danger. That justified the deadly force. As you can see, it did not automatically make it legally sound. In this case a jury decided that Zimmerman was not guilty of the charges levied against him. If those charges were too stiff to begin with, that's the prosecution's error.

Why not put him on the stand? After all, if you don't tell your story, you must be guilty, right? Wrong! The most common experience during tachypsychia is the feeling that time has either increased or slowed down, brought on by the increased brain activity cause by epinephrine, or the severe decrease in brain activity caused by the "catecholamine washout" occurring after the event.

There is a phenomenon that occurs in almost all stressful situations called tachypsychia. It is common for an individual experiencing tachypsychia to have serious misinterpretations of their surroundings during the traumatic event or events. Generally, there is a combination of altered perception of time, as well as transient partial color blindness and tunnel vision. After the irregularly high levels of adrenaline consumed during sympathetic nervous system activation, an individual may display signs and symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder, and it is common for the person to display extreme emotional lability and fatigue, regardless of their actual physical exertion.

What this causes is someone who legally defended themselves to change their story, making them look guilty. Most likely they are not actually changing the story but remembering different events and the orders in which they occurred. In one well known shooting in Arizona a woman, who shot her ex son in law who was attacking her husband and then turned his attack on her, changed her story six times to the responding police officers, which happened to the be the Arizona State Police. Because there were many people who witnessed the event and told almost the same story, she was not charged by the state. She was later charged by a smaller jurisdiction in a play for political clout that failed.

That's why most police officers are not interviewed about a shooting until 24 hours after the fact. It's not so they get a good story, but it gives them time to remember. If you are ever involved in a shooting give the police you gun, state that you felt you life was in danger and you had no other choice. Then ask for a lawyer. Most policemen will recognize you are only protecting your rights.

“Game Over”

Since: Oct 10

Location hidden

#524 Jul 20, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
I happen to be in the city today and low and behold, there was a PEACEFUL gathering at the Daley Center regarding Trayvon. I will repeat, everyone attending the gathering was very nice and respectful and yes, the majority were black. Actually, they were so nice, they were pushing around ice carts with bottled water giving it to people because it was so hot. I said to my husband "if this were a white gathering, they'd charge you $6/bottle for the water to capitalize on the occasion".
I stood there a few minutes just listening to see what the speakers had to say and what they said, they were dead on with. The State of Florida needs to revisit their laws. Anyone can walk around packing a gun and if they so decide themselves they feel endangered (opinion only), they can just shoot you. Trayvon was a kid simply singled out and personally "suspected". There was NO fear for life when he was singled out and suspected. It was the onset of this situation that led to the eventual death of this young man and so senseless.
I guess, given Florida's results more recently, you can just go kill your children and shoot innocent people you "think" seem out of place in your opinion, then walk free. I guess also there's a reason why Florida allows criminals to come there and live, protecting their property from lawsuits.
Stand your Ground definitely needs to be revisited.
It's nice that people like this can gather peacefully in front of the Daley Center, and join together for their cause.
I listened awhile and upon leaving, I gave the entry guard a high five and said "keep up the good work".
The Richard J. Corruption Center.

Would there be a better place to gather?

Illinois residents will be able to carry concealed weapons now. That should cut down on some crime, yes?
Called Reality

Lexington, KY

#525 Jul 20, 2013
The only one I would trust that seen it would be the man above and he isn't talking.You can make whatever scenerio you want to in your mind.You actually sound foolish to assume or state that anything happened when you or anyone else including law enforcment were not there!This creep wrote the report out in a language only law enforcement would why because he thought it would get him some leverage with the investigators.Well it obviously didn't with the president and like it or not he's got what he needs to make sure he's heard.Take it any way you want.
Reasoning

Evarts, KY

#526 Jul 21, 2013
Well, you have nuts in law enforcement and those that want to be. Zimmerman was/is probably one of those. So, he may have provoked the attack by following somebody around, maybe even calling him names. Problem is that's within the law. The other side of that, a physical attack in retaliation is outside the law. Zimmerman could be the causative factor. Problem is the law does not look at it that broadly. All seem to agree that within the definition of the law he was the aggressor. Now, he could have been just a little wanton and just intended not to really harm Zimmerman but scare the crap out of him. The law does not see it that way. To be justified in using deadly force all a person must do is believe their life, or someone else's in certain cases, is in danger. That gives them justification, but not necessarily legal right. So, they can be charged both criminally and civilly. Zimmerman went through a criminal trial and will likely go through a civil trial. The justice system determined he was "not guilty" (it did not determine him innocent), of the charges levied against him. The outcome was clear from the beginning if there was a half brained jury and there was. Did the State of Florida screw up or did they intentionally charge Zimmerman with something of which he could no be convicted. I contend they screwed up. Overzealous prosecutor. It happens.
Reasoning

Evarts, KY

#527 Jul 21, 2013
"He was the aggressor." "He" being Martin.

“Walk With Me in Hell”

Since: Apr 13

Hell, Norway

#528 Jul 21, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
<quoted text>
What I would do if someone took it upon themselves to feel I didn't belong where I was peacefully walking and start following me, I'd be busting me some head too if I were a brave person as M was. You see, Mr. Z didn't expect this YOUNG black kid to know martial arts. Therefore, the deal is, the whimp shouldn't have tried to play Captain of the police dept. to begin with. If it had been me, Z would have had more than one crack in his head.
And no, Defense didn't have to offer up Z for bait, because had they done so, it automatically opens it up for prosecution to tear his as- to bits. Defense wasn't about to put themselves into a position where the actual real truth could have been brought out.
Bottom line is, M would have never hid in the bushes to jump Z had he not been singled out to be followed from the onset. M didn't cause this confrontation because he didn't start it. Therein lies the guilt, which was not included as a piece of evidence for the charges. Casey Anthony walked. Z walked. Go Florida!
Z didn't count on bravery. He only counted on getting his name in the paper and causing a police dept. to take notice of him. THAT is what it was about.
You can`t seem to get through your thick skull that BOTH had the right to be where they were at. The root of the problem is, if Martin felt threatened by Zimmerman doing his job, then he should have called the police, instead of a friend talking about a "whiteass cracker" and having her tell him to thump his head.

Zimmerman was doing his job, Martin was the attacker, and the person with the power to have stopped this from all happening. He alone, could have proceeded to where he was going, and called police, instead of becoming the aggressor, and attacking Zimmerman for NO reason other than his own ego of beating up a "whiteass cracker". The ignorant azz wasn`t smart enough to know that his racist comment was directed at an even smaller minority.

Prosecution couldn`t have torn him any which of way, they had nothing but speculation and his interviews with police and witnesses that ALL supported Zimmermans claim. Plus, had he testified, character assassination is ALL they could have done, and at that point it would have opened up for defense with all the text messages and gang pictures, pics with Martin holding a gun, and smoking dope. All of that would have been admissible at the trial, and would have painted an even worse opinion and memory of Trayvon Martin.

And Zimmerman would have STILL walked.

See.... This is how your speculations works, I could "say" that your butt sucks buttermilk, But in reality, that statement (like all the other claims that you`ve made) most likely ARE NOT true.

“smiling on a cloudy day”

Since: Jan 09

Shakedown Street

#530 Jul 21, 2013
You know, many have said that this trial is causing America to "reevaluate race" in the wake of the verdict.

That's true, but not in the way that the media is trying to portray. Back during the Sandy Hook fiasco, I often argued with gun-grabbers who wanted to disarm all Americans based on the actions of a few and the 11,000 murders committed every year in the United States.

Little did I know, of those gun murders the shooter was black 52.4% of the time, 45.2% were white, and 2.4% were of other races. The race was unknown for 4,077 offenders. And of course most of these were committed by men.

So a demographic that comprises around 5% of the total population is responsible for over 50% of the gun murders in the entire country?

And gun grabbers want the innocent, law-abiding white person to give up their only means of protection?

Yeah, this trial has definitely led to many reviewing their basic beliefs when it comes to race and violence.
Reasoning

Evarts, KY

#531 Jul 21, 2013
If Martin felt threatened by Zimmerman, he should have called the police. Problem is he was 17 years old, and at such an age kids are usually easily provoked. Zimmerman had his own ego issues, primarily he wanted to act as a cop. If Martin had called the police, it's possible he could have been charged with assault. It's even possible that after the fact, he could have been charged with reckless homicide and lost. He wasn't. An all women jury with at least one mixed race black/Hispanic member decided he was not guilty within the parameters of their decision making ability. Unless Holder steps in, which he should not, case closed. Right or wrong.
wow

Morehead, KY

#532 Jul 21, 2013
Reasoning wrote:
Zimmerman had his own ego issues, primarily he wanted to act as a cop.
How would you know that? Are you a mind reader?
WillyP

Bowling Green, KY

#533 Jul 21, 2013
_satan_64 wrote:
<quoted text>You can`t seem to get through your thick skull that BOTH had the right to be where they were at. The root of the problem is, if Martin felt threatened by Zimmerman doing his job, then he should have called the police, instead of a friend talking about a "whiteass cracker" and having her tell him to thump his head.
Zimmerman was doing his job, Martin was the attacker, and the person with the power to have stopped this from all happening. He alone, could have proceeded to where he was going, and called police, instead of becoming the aggressor, and attacking Zimmerman for NO reason other than his own ego of beating up a "whiteass cracker". The ignorant azz wasn`t smart enough to know that his racist comment was directed at an even smaller minority.
Prosecution couldn`t have torn him any which of way, they had nothing but speculation and his interviews with police and witnesses that ALL supported Zimmermans claim. Plus, had he testified, character assassination is ALL they could have done, and at that point it would have opened up for defense with all the text messages and gang pictures, pics with Martin holding a gun, and smoking dope. All of that would have been admissible at the trial, and would have painted an even worse opinion and memory of Trayvon Martin.
And Zimmerman would have STILL walked.
See.... This is how your speculations works, I could "say" that your butt sucks buttermilk, But in reality, that statement (like all the other claims that you`ve made) most likely ARE NOT true.
No sense giving her facts, her mind is made up!

It's beyond strange that every person who argues that Zimmerman is guilty of something ignores, twists, and misstates the facts.(And that is 100% of them, not just some of them). It's obvious that such people believe the facts don't support their agenda so they ignore them and invent new ones. For, example:

1. Zimmerman is a racist who called the police on a 7 year old black boy.

Fact: Zimmerman called the police because a 7 year old black boy was walking in a busy street and Zimmerman was concerned for his safety. The content of his call is a matter of record.

2. Zimmerman only called the police about blacks when he was a neighborhood watch.

Fact: Zimmerman called seven times about whites, twice about Hispanics, and five times about blacks. All the rest of his calls related to administrative matters and such things as neighborhood garage doors being left open, etc.(The police advised that garage doors should be closed at night due to the crime problems in the neighborhood).

3. Zimmerman referred to Martin as a f'ing coon on a 911 tape.

Fact: He stated that f'ing punks always got away. The FBI reviewed the tapes and confirmed that coon was never said.

4. Zimmerman was ordered to remain in his truck by the police.

Fact: Zimmerman was told that he didn't need to follow Martin any more by the 911 operator. Zimmerman was out of his truck and some distance from it when that statement was made. According to Zimmerman's statement, he was returning to his truck when he was attacked by Martin.

5. Zimmerman stalked Martin.

Fact: Zimmerman was a neighborhood watch. He watched Martin as required by his duties. Using the term "stalking" is a play on words to make it sound sinister.

These liars are determined to divide the races to settle old scores and solidify their political base. The sad part is the majority of their base is too racist and too stupid to see through it.
rebel yell

Winchester, KY

#534 Jul 21, 2013
why do we call Zimmerman a white man, when it's a fact he is of mixed race, why do we call our so called president a black man when he is as white as Zimmerman, people play the race card all the time, in situations where it's uncalled for, this is one of those situations.
Reasoning

Evarts, KY

#535 Jul 21, 2013
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
How would you know that? Are you a mind reader?
Zimmerman had made statements, confirmed by family members, that he had wanted to be a cop. Anyone who wants to be a cop has an ego issue. It's a specific ego, just as anyone who wants to be a doctor, lawyer, teacher, no desire to do anything has a specific ego issue.

No need to read minds. Besides it takes too much energy.
Reasoning

Evarts, KY

#536 Jul 21, 2013
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
How would you know that? Are you a mind reader?
Also Zimmerman was a student of criminal justice, neighbors said he took nightly patrols while walking his dog, and was passionate about his duty.

Records acquired by the Herald show his self-appointment led to a series of calls to police. From January 1, 2011 to February 26, 2012, Zimmerman reportedly phoned authorities 46 times - to 'report disturbances, break-ins, windows left open and other incidents'.

Think he was just diligent or the cop ego slipped in?
Reasoning

Evarts, KY

#537 Jul 21, 2013
wow wrote:
<quoted text>
How would you know that? Are you a mind reader?
In the opening statement the prosecutor (Guy) said "The state will also show evidence that Zimmerman applied to be a police officer, wanted to go on a police ride along, was a criminal justice student and initiated a neighborhood watch program as captain" and they did.

Think I still need to use my mind reading ability?
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#538 Jul 21, 2013
rebel yell wrote:
why do we call Zimmerman a white man, when it's a fact he is of mixed race, why do we call our so called president a black man when he is as white as Zimmerman, people play the race card all the time, in situations where it's uncalled for, this is one of those situations.
I agree with that to some point. What we do know is, M was all black. Z was mixed...Peruvian Mother and white father; Obama black father-white mother. But the bottom line is, when all is said and done, we're the same.

Maybe someday with the ever progressing comingling of races, we finally may get to a stage where no one can refer to anyone as anything other than....a human being.

All our ancestory leads back to something. As I've stated before. We all live in our dream worlds where we've always believed Eve was a white woman. Turns out, if we go along with mitochondrial DNA, she's black and out of Africa. Some folks might not like that idea either. Good grief, Cane went to the Land of Canaan and married. If Cane was black...the ball rolls.

Some folks also might not like the fact that ALL hurricanes originate out of Africa. Wouldn't it also be amazing that someday, we all in addition, might find that Jesus was black? We know He is Real, but all we have to dream on is pictures, originated by some ....human being.

What all this means is....we need to be careful when throwing stones, making harsh judgemental calls or voicing personal opinion. We don't really have a right to the land we live on. It's God's land...not ours. We simply are allowed to use it. Our children are God's children. He graced us to have them for a while.
And regardless of color or creed, we, in God's eyes, are the same. We need to work on that.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#539 Jul 21, 2013
Reasoning wrote:
<quoted text>
Zimmerman had made statements, confirmed by family members, that he had wanted to be a cop. Anyone who wants to be a cop has an ego issue. It's a specific ego, just as anyone who wants to be a doctor, lawyer, teacher, no desire to do anything has a specific ego issue.
No need to read minds. Besides it takes too much energy.
I'm not sure I'd call it an ego issue always, because it's human nature for us to have goals in life and there are many with built-in talents. It's no sin to want to capitalize on what you love. It is however terrible when we get to the point we find we can't succeed in what we wanted in life and turn that to anger. That is more specifically dangerous when it comes to a cop wanna-be. Being a cop gives one an automatic power level....one that makes it legal to shoot you, then say "self defense". Who is going to disprove that...if you're dead?
Called Reality

Lexington, KY

#540 Jul 21, 2013
You spent a minute on that.Youll never dig up enough and your honestly not so convincing.

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