New School

London, KY

#443 Jul 16, 2013
Once again, I need to ask...so no one will take me up on the challenge...where is the outrage for the 60 people who were murdered by black people in just the time since the Zimmerman verdict was announced...yup...on&#8203 ; average, a black person commits a murder EVERY HOUR. And on average, 5-6 of those victims since Saturday were white, and at least 1 of those incidents, the murderer will never spend a day in person for that crime. Overall, of those 60 murders, more than 10 will never be prosecuted.
So why is there no outrage for that?
Ralph

Somerset, KY

#444 Jul 16, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
<quoted text>
Common sense should tell us the advantage from the onset of this was on the side of Defense. They had a live body to work with. Prosecution had a dead one. I refer you to the OJ Case, the Anthony case and for that matter, the Gilliam case. In my personal opinion, the speculation in this case was "speculating" whether or not Z was telling the truth, or, part truth. Remember, he was trained in "stand your ground". Jumping out of a bush does not = him going after and confronting Z. What it means is, this armed stranger was following him, he feared for his life, he hid in the bushes and jumped him feeling he could prevent himself from being killed. But, Z managed to do it anyway didn't he? Z had to justify killing him, so he created his own sequence of events.
This kid's death was a travesty, and, the result was one of the same.
Keep making ecuses for bad behavior. Kill another kid or two. You and those that filled Trayvon's head with the idea of "since he was black." Killed Trayvon. Just as sure as George Zimmermans 9mm slug.

A 15 year pld Temar rescued an abducted girl from a car. This young man was on a bicycle. The little girl is safe.

I doubt you have made one post praising this young hero's actions because it doesn't fit with your agenda. Dead black kids is not an honorable agenda.
Ralph

Somerset, KY

#445 Jul 16, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
You neglect to bear in mind, Z had police training and therefore also knew the 911 tape would be recorded, thus the prelude to his line of defense.
Zimmerman had training offered by police agencies. Why do you still choose to lie. The entire transcripts are on line.

Everyone can easily see you are lying.

Zimmerman had no "police training."

Since: Sep 10

Prevost USA

#446 Jul 16, 2013
Ralph wrote:
<quoted text>
Zimmerman had training offered by police agencies. Why do you still choose to lie. The entire transcripts are on line.
Everyone can easily see you are lying.
Zimmerman had no "police training."
She gets her news from MSNBC that's why.
SpeakUp

Harwood Heights, IL

#448 Jul 16, 2013
New School wrote:
Once again, I need to ask...so no one will take me up on the challenge...where is the outrage for the 60 people who were murdered by black people in just the time since the Zimmerman verdict was announced...yup...on&#8203 ; average, a black person commits a murder EVERY HOUR. And on average, 5-6 of those victims since Saturday were white, and at least 1 of those incidents, the murderer will never spend a day in person for that crime. Overall, of those 60 murders, more than 10 will never be prosecuted.
So why is there no outrage for that?
Because white people can't get along among themselves long enough to work as a team, let along universally stand for anything.

The outrage overall....should be about guns. So, I guess you need to discuss the issue with the gun-toting lovers. They must think murder is ok. They feel guns in the hands of the wrong people are o.k.
SpeakUp

Harwood Heights, IL

#450 Jul 16, 2013
Ralph wrote:
<quoted text>
Zimmerman had training offered by police agencies. Why do you still choose to lie. The entire transcripts are on line.
Everyone can easily see you are lying.
Zimmerman had no "police training."
He took 14 wks. training at a Sheriff's Office.
SpeakUp

Harwood Heights, IL

#451 Jul 16, 2013
Ralph wrote:
<quoted text>
Keep making ecuses for bad behavior. Kill another kid or two. You and those that filled Trayvon's head with the idea of "since he was black." Killed Trayvon. Just as sure as George Zimmermans 9mm slug.
A 15 year pld Temar rescued an abducted girl from a car. This young man was on a bicycle. The little girl is safe.
I doubt you have made one post praising this young hero's actions because it doesn't fit with your agenda. Dead black kids is not an honorable agenda.
I never mentioned the abducted girl issue because it isn't the Topic here.

You don't even read what's on this thread apparently, so why would you reach out for other news? You did notice where I mentioned I'm not a Jackson or Sharpton fan....didn't you? I'm not pro black or white, pro Asian or Hungarian, pro German or Aztec. I'm for the right thing. Just because M was a black young man doesn't resinate with me one way or the other. What resinates is, Z murdered this 17 yr. old boy as a result of what could have been prevented had Z not tried to play Bronson.

Personally, if I was to be defensive of any ethnic group, it would the Indians. When we killed them and drove them off their land, we called it progress. We, the white people, chose prejudism from the beginning. We drove Indians off their rightful lands and desecrated
their way of life. We brought Africans here in chains to use for slaves. We called that capitalism.

Carma is a rip and you haven't seen nothin' yet.
Boomer

Clarksville, TN

#452 Jul 16, 2013
I notice on the news since the trial is over no one is talking about the character of TM. You see the black community crying over the verdict. Text messages from TM asking friends for a gun. Drugs in his system and suspended from school three times for behavior and drug issues. Did anyone watch Rachel's interview? she said its all race related but who was the one using names?
lol

Winchester, KY

#454 Jul 16, 2013
That doctorate she claims to hold must be in "prejudism".
WillyP

Bowling Green, KY

#455 Jul 16, 2013
lol wrote:
That doctorate she claims to hold must be in "prejudism".
I was thinking maybe a Doctorate in Ebonics. But, "prejudism" is a definite possibility.
fact

Winchester, KY

#456 Jul 16, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
<quoted text>
You're right in one sense. However, if we take this back to square one, had Z not artificially "speculated" that this kid was some sort of vigilante and originated the entire mess, M would have been alive today because nothing would ever have to started to begin with.
There is NO real proof that M came after Z. That is solely Z's story and M isn't alive to tell his. There's far too much of this that was so reliant on Z's story, that alot of people rested their case simply on his story and there's no real proof that what he told was in fact truth, partially truth or consistently untruth.
This was just plain tragically unecessary is the truth of it.
The fact is he went looking for zimmermon instead of going inside his house and sharing his "skittles and tea" with the other kid.
Boomer

Clarksville, TN

#457 Jul 16, 2013
if he wasn't high he wouldn't need those late night snacks.
fact

Winchester, KY

#458 Jul 16, 2013
Trayvon's Skittles, Arizona Iced Tea and something called 'Purple Drank'

http://www.examiner.com/article/trayvon-s-ski...

“It is what it is, folks!!”

Since: Feb 10

The land of harmony and peace

#459 Jul 16, 2013
Regardless of what he went out for that night, we have to remember that no matter what he was going out for in itself doesn't mean that he deserved to be shot for just going out to the store. Even if he had gone out to buy a bag of weed, it's not a reason to be shot and killed..

He made his final and fatal mistake when he confronted Z instead of going immediately to where he should have been headed when he knew he was being watched... He could have just as easily had nothing in his pockets, or in his system, and made that same fatal mistake.

Young people his age usually don't have adult abilities to reason things out very well, they act on impulse and hormones. So I STILL say that his bestie who was on the phone with him contributed to his anger, causing him to want to fight that "white a** cra**er".

I also believe with all of my heart that THIS IS THE VERY REASON she didn't go to the funeral. She felt GUILT for egging him on over the phone. I also believe she withheld that information while on the stand so she wouldn't have to admit that she felt guilty for him dying like he did. Which of course could have actually contributed to his death. Sadly, only she and Trayvon really know what was said in that final phone call he had with her mere minutes before he was shot... But she knows, and now she can live with it..

I know some say if Z had stayed in his car that none of this would have happened. That's true. But the variables in this case are what lead to the end result. If Trayvon had not had the urge to fight or confront Z, none of this would have happened either.

DID his bestie urge him toward that face to face confrontation when they were on the phone trading racial slurs? Did this lead Trayvon to get pissed off enough to fight that man they were talking about on the phone?

I honestly believe that it did. Of course she'll never admit it because the only lies she ever admitted to are the ones she was called out on and had no way to wiggle her way out of. She's obviously not the brightest bulb in the lamp... But she'll remember it for the rest of her life if that's what happened. That I can guarantee you.
Ralph

Somerset, KY

#460 Jul 16, 2013
"Hey mister where is this address I'm just visiting here."

or

"Creepy ass cracker."

He Jeantel'd that decision. lol
jimmy c

United States

#461 Jul 17, 2013
Jimmy Carter: "I think the jury made the right decision"
http://m.11alive.com/localnews/article...

In an Interview today with an Atlanta news anchor, former president, Jimmy Carter, said the Jury in the case against George Zimmerman made the right decision in finding him not guilty
jimmy c

United States

#462 Jul 17, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
<quoted text>
He took 14 wks. training at a Sheriff's Office.
Rachel went to school for 12 years and she still up able to read.Just attend school but did not learn anything.I wonder how many babies she will have not knowing who the father is.
Ralph

London, KY

#466 Jul 17, 2013
jimmy c wrote:
<quoted text>Rachel went to school for 12 years and she still up able to read.Just attend school but did not learn anything.I wonder how many babies she will have not knowing who the father is.
Jeantel is what is known as a "rising" senior. Promoted due to age instead of ability.

She and all the others that told Trayvon "because you is black you can" whatever BS. Killed
Trayvon.

Blood of an innocent is all that will satisfy this leftwing Satanic desire.
Ralph

London, KY

#467 Jul 17, 2013
DOA wrote:
Trayvon Martin's motivation for not walking away when he had the opportunity, but instead, going back to attack Zimmerman may have a surprising explanation.
He returned to confront, attack and trounce Zimmerman, whereas, he had been already close to his father's home and could have just gone there. This was according to testimony from Trayvon's friend, Rachel Jeantel on a Piers Morgan interview. She indicated that Trayvon Martin feared Zimmerman might have been out to rape him. As she explained, what is a young man of no visible riches to think when an older man follows him about on a dark rainy night?
Martin's impulse to go back and to attack and trounce Zimmerman when he had been far enough away from him in front of his father's house may have been fueled by homophobia.
Might homophobia explain the reason why Trayvon Martin did not just walk away but, instead, attack and trounce Zimmerman?
It is a proven fact he and Jeantel was racist. Homophobe isn't a reach. Hate crime.
SpeakUp

Harwood Heights, IL

#468 Jul 17, 2013
DOA wrote:
Trayvon Martin's motivation for not walking away when he had the opportunity, but instead, going back to attack Zimmerman may have a surprising explanation.
He returned to confront, attack and trounce Zimmerman, whereas, he had been already close to his father's home and could have just gone there. This was according to testimony from Trayvon's friend, Rachel Jeantel on a Piers Morgan interview. She indicated that Trayvon Martin feared Zimmerman might have been out to rape him. As she explained, what is a young man of no visible riches to think when an older man follows him about on a dark rainy night?
Martin's impulse to go back and to attack and trounce Zimmerman when he had been far enough away from him in front of his father's house may have been fueled by homophobia.
Might homophobia explain the reason why Trayvon Martin did not just walk away but, instead, attack and trounce Zimmerman?
Is there any proof, other than what Z told in his "stand your ground" statement, the precise location M was when he "supposedly" came back to confront him? The true fact remains that NOTHING would have occurred period had Z not took it upon himself to "suspect" someone just because he wore a hoodie?

Here's the deal and I guess Jimmy Carter summed it up well when he said the Jury made the right decision "based on evidence presented". He also mentioned, the same as I have, that Prosecution sets the stakes higher than they should which makes the charge itself (the true definition of), difficult to prove. In this case, it was "what actually caused the death of Martin". Z claims he jumped from bushes and banged his head in...so, he shot him in self defense. There was realistically nothing there to prove otherwise, since the otherwise was already 6 ft. under.

However, the moral of the story is....the complete story from beginning to end. The case didn't rest upon the fact that Z wanted to portray Bronson and take it upon himself, in his personal opinion, to suspect M being some miserable character. The Jury may have done their duty, based upon the charges of the case and what is needed to prove that specific charge. Their job isn't to think outside that box. Case and point....Casey Anthony Case and the OJ case. Both were guilty of the crime...both walked and they walked because Prosecution set the stakes too high to prove.

I believe if Prosecutors learn one thing from these cases. It's that "some time is better than no time" (the same cliche' used for money "some money is worth more than no money". If they set their sights a notch lower, moreover they'd wind up with more convictions and more criminals would be locked up...like the Anthony's, OJ's and Z's versus walking the streets after the fact.

Z took a life. Had Z simply called the police immediately, left it alone and let the police handle it when they got there, their job to do, paid for by the taxpayers, we wouldn't be having this conversation. IF the kid had been a criminal (which he wasn't) and got away, then that would be the fault of the police, not Z's in that case.

The Nation is divided on this case because there are two different stories. The Court took the backend. The Nation realizes the front and backend.

As far as your theory that Z may have been a molestor, I haven't heard that one? Isn't that what your indicating in your "reverse psychology" there, except in reverse?

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