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the verdict was correct,good-luck george Zimmerman, I wish you well in life, I pray the black's understand what NOT GUILTY means
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Stalking is repeated following, neither knew each other before this incident.
Both individuals had a right to be on the street that night, thats not an issue.
It comes down to Trayvon returning to confront Zimmerman then resorting to physical violence.
Without the assault, Zimmerman is guilty.
Trayvon was taller and bigger than Zimmerman and made the mistake of not realizing Zimmerman was legally carrying a firearm and many do now, including myself.
I refuse to be a victim, this is the new reality.
Beezle, fact is, the issue of whether or not M confronted him was only a statement on Z's part wasn't it? On the flipside, I don't believe M would have any reason to have confronted him had Z not given him a reason. M may have been taller and more athletic, but he as 17 yrs. old.

This all boils down to the fact the ONLY reason it all resulted in what it did was, Z THOUGHT he look suspicious. The "suspicious" thought could ONLY have come from him being black and wearing a hoodie and it dark. The idea he walked thru a yard or glanced at a window is nothing less than many others have done nonchalantly with no intent.

Bottom line, this was all about some people across the nation appreciating Z being a neighborhood watch. If one thing is learned from this, it should be "watch, don't kill". I believe this was injustice given it was clearly 90% one-sided.

Inasmuch as Z's ethnicity could be all over the board...his Mother from Peru and his father white, but on registration forms, he lists himself as Hispanic. One thing I'm sure you're aware of is....Hispanics and blacks have little love for each other. This is something quite predominant in bigger cities. And truth is, if it come right down to it, blacks would defend whites over Hispanics.

There was injustice in the OJ trial. There was injustice in the Anthony trial, and, injustice in this one. Jurors do their job, based on what's presented. The unfortunate thing is, the truth moreover lies in what isn't or can't be presented.
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P.S. Sorry, I left the a out of my name there.
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Well, fuel to the flame. Hope it's right this time!

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SpekUp wrote:
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Beezle, fact is, the issue of whether or not M confronted him was only a statement on Z's part wasn't it? On the flipside, I don't believe M would have any reason to have confronted him had Z not given him a reason. M may have been taller and more athletic, but he as 17 yrs. old.
This all boils down to the fact the ONLY reason it all resulted in what it did was, Z THOUGHT he look suspicious. The "suspicious" thought could ONLY have come from him being black and wearing a hoodie and it dark. The idea he walked thru a yard or glanced at a window is nothing less than many others have done nonchalantly with no intent.
Bottom line, this was all about some people across the nation appreciating Z being a neighborhood watch. If one thing is learned from this, it should be "watch, don't kill". I believe this was injustice given it was clearly 90% one-sided.
Inasmuch as Z's ethnicity could be all over the board...his Mother from Peru and his father white, but on registration forms, he lists himself as Hispanic. One thing I'm sure you're aware of is....Hispanics and blacks have little love for each other. This is something quite predominant in bigger cities. And truth is, if it come right down to it, blacks would defend whites over Hispanics.
There was injustice in the OJ trial. There was injustice in the Anthony trial, and, injustice in this one. Jurors do their job, based on what's presented. The unfortunate thing is, the truth moreover lies in what isn't or can't be presented.
By the same reasoning, if Trayvon would have continued to his home he would still be alive.
You can "what if" this incident to death but I still maintain that Zimmerman's injuries along with all the testimony that was presented you cannot convict Zimmerman of a crime.
They had to prove him guilty, Zimmerman did not have to prove his innocence.
This case has highlighted how blissfully ignorant many prominant people are to our laws and legal system.
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If any good can come out of this its that I home people will realize than more and more Americans are legally carrying concealed weapons. You cannot just think you are going to kick someones butt who might of made you mad anymore like we did in the old days. Those days are gone forever, you cannot resort to physical violence anymore or you might get killed by someone who will legally claim self defense.

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SpekUp wrote:
<quoted text>.... This all boils down to the fact the ONLY reason it all resulted in what it did was, Z THOUGHT he look suspicious. The "suspicious" thought could ONLY have come from him being black and wearing a hoodie and it dark. The idea he walked thru a yard or glanced at a window is nothing less than many others have done nonchalantly with no intent.....
Nonchalantly you say? Perhaps so. But how many of us have hidden in a row of bushes once we've detected a person watching us? Any person with commons sense, and who actually had a destination in mind, would PROCEED to that destination post haste. Furthermore, that same person would possibly be the one calling the police themselves to report someone was watching them as they "nonchalantly" walked home.

Another case in point here: Trayvon was on his cell phone speaking to his bestie. She admitted on the witness stand that they BOTH threw racial comments and slurs back and forth during this conversation with each other. Beings as he was a young man who was already apparently very familiar with how to commit a crime,(please refer to what was found in his school locker prior to his being suspended), then I am only left to assume that his very own temper was roused in the interim of that conversation with his bestie. Battle hormones took over and he made a very bad choice that night.
This in itself is just typical case of psych-101.

She may have contributed to his lack of commons sense that night. Think on that long and hard.. He was a young man. Sometimes young people can be coerced, albeit unintentionally, by a conversation with one or more of their peers. As a result, he made a very bad choice to jump Z from those bushes.

This was the first mistake that night of many.. Z had the right to defend himself.

Had Trayvon gone 'home' where he was supposedly headed in the first place, then NONE of this would have happened. Has Z stayed in his car, then NONE of this would have happened. Sadly, the final result is that if Trayvon had continued to his destination, this certainly would not have happened. The decision on Trayvon Martins part to hide in the bushes instead of going home, then jumping out and confronting Z is what caused his death. Period.
Deadly lesson learned.

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Beelzebubba wrote:
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If any good can come out of this its that I home people will realize than more and more Americans are legally carrying concealed weapons. You cannot just think you are going to kick someones butt who might of made you mad anymore like we did in the old days. Those days are gone forever, you cannot resort to physical violence anymore or you might get killed by someone who will legally claim self defense.
Absolutely correct. I carry at all times and so do my family members. Most of my friends do as well.

It may be a little old woman who's been trained very well on how to use that little .22 tucked into her bra, or it may be that little old man with a cane and a .45 tucked into his belt.. It may be that the one who chooses someone to attack has greatly underestimated that potential victims ability to defend their self and/or personal property...

Well said, Beelz.
<<applause>>
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An armed society is a polite society.
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Well it looks like the weak wimp was just like casey anthony got by with child murder , What in the world is wrong with florida juriors ??? All the child killers will continue doing that in florida because it looks like the jurors there are for the killer and dont want justice for the kids .How can they sleep at night knowing these innocent kids left this world because someone decided to end their lifes .
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sad wrote:
Well it looks like the weak wimp was just like casey anthony got by with child murder , What in the world is wrong with florida juriors ??? All the child killers will continue doing that in florida because it looks like the jurors there are for the killer and dont want justice for the kids .How can they sleep at night knowing these innocent kids left this world because someone decided to end their lifes .
Don't you think you've killed enough young blacks with your bullcarp rhetoric? Keep telling them they are special. Keep telling them civilized society's rules do not apply. Tell the next father and mother and mother and girlfriend how special and invincible their little dead black boy is next time.

The truth is this world is inhabited by humans. So why expect anything more.

You can not beat on whitey. You can not beat on blackie. Those being beat on do not request an ID. They shoot whoever the attacker happens to be, color be damned.

That is reality.
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_-_Nope_-_ wrote:
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Nonchalantly you say? Perhaps so. But how many of us have hidden in a row of bushes once we've detected a person watching us? Any person with commons sense, and who actually had a destination in mind, would PROCEED to that destination post haste. Furthermore, that same person would possibly be the one calling the police themselves to report someone was watching them as they "nonchalantly" walked home.
Another case in point here: Trayvon was on his cell phone speaking to his bestie. She admitted on the witness stand that they BOTH threw racial comments and slurs back and forth during this conversation with each other. Beings as he was a young man who was already apparently very familiar with how to commit a crime,(please refer to what was found in his school locker prior to his being suspended), then I am only left to assume that his very own temper was roused in the interim of that conversation with his bestie. Battle hormones took over and he made a very bad choice that night.
This in itself is just typical case of psych-101.
She may have contributed to his lack of commons sense that night. Think on that long and hard.. He was a young man. Sometimes young people can be coerced, albeit unintentionally, by a conversation with one or more of their peers. As a result, he made a very bad choice to jump Z from those bushes.
This was the first mistake that night of many.. Z had the right to defend himself.
Had Trayvon gone 'home' where he was supposedly headed in the first place, then NONE of this would have happened. Has Z stayed in his car, then NONE of this would have happened. Sadly, the final result is that if Trayvon had continued to his destination, this certainly would not have happened. The decision on Trayvon Martins part to hide in the bushes instead of going home, then jumping out and confronting Z is what caused his death. Period.
Deadly lesson learned.
the basics for myself was the fact that one person called the police and another didn't.

if you felt threatened, or thought someone was doing something illicit, why not call the police?
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_-_Nope_-_ wrote:
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Nonchalantly you say? Perhaps so. But how many of us have hidden in a row of bushes once we've detected a person watching us? Any person with commons sense, and who actually had a destination in mind, would PROCEED to that destination post haste. Furthermore, that same person would possibly be the one calling the police themselves to report someone was watching them as they "nonchalantly" walked home.
Another case in point here: Trayvon was on his cell phone speaking to his bestie. She admitted on the witness stand that they BOTH threw racial comments and slurs back and forth during this conversation with each other. Beings as he was a young man who was already apparently very familiar with how to commit a crime,(please refer to what was found in his school locker prior to his being suspended), then I am only left to assume that his very own temper was roused in the interim of that conversation with his bestie. Battle hormones took over and he made a very bad choice that night.
This in itself is just typical case of psych-101.
She may have contributed to his lack of commons sense that night. Think on that long and hard.. He was a young man. Sometimes young people can be coerced, albeit unintentionally, by a conversation with one or more of their peers. As a result, he made a very bad choice to jump Z from those bushes.
This was the first mistake that night of many.. Z had the right to defend himself.
Had Trayvon gone 'home' where he was supposedly headed in the first place, then NONE of this would have happened. Has Z stayed in his car, then NONE of this would have happened. Sadly, the final result is that if Trayvon had continued to his destination, this certainly would not have happened. The decision on Trayvon Martins part to hide in the bushes instead of going home, then jumping out and confronting Z is what caused his death. Period.
Deadly lesson learned.
Speculation has taken over your better judgement ability.

What your stating is obsurd and ridiculous. If a man's got a gun, you're going to hide yourself anywhere you can find to hide. With Z being armed, it's not likely M would just keep on walking as usual, making himself an open target. Sorry, but this is the real world, not speculation.

There was a reason M felt the need to hide from an armed man and had the armed man not "speculated" the way he did, indeed most likely M would have went on home with whatever he'd gone to the store for to begin with.
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FYI wrote:
<quoted text>the basics for myself was the fact that one person called the police and another didn't.
if you felt threatened, or thought someone was doing something illicit, why not call the police?
I would tend to feel that Z was in a calmer position-knowing he was armed to protect himSELF. Emergency situations are full of shoulda, coulda, woulda's. "IF" the dog hadn't stopped to take a poop, he'd have most likely caught the rabbit too.
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Oh Yeah wrote:
Traygone assaulted George Zimmerman because he thought George was a GAY man.( A Hate Crime ) All his phone conversations with his friend Rachel indicate it. The names he used to describe George and what she told him what was going to happen to him if George caught him. He laid in wait to attack George. He lied to Rachel when he said he was at his daddys fiancee's house.
If Z had "laid in wait" for the police to come, it wouldn't have been necessary to kill a kid. Seems quite obvious Z had to get to the point where the bushes were, which means, he was following him.
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Beelzebubba wrote:
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By the same reasoning, if Trayvon would have continued to his home he would still be alive.
You can "what if" this incident to death but I still maintain that Zimmerman's injuries along with all the testimony that was presented you cannot convict Zimmerman of a crime.
They had to prove him guilty, Zimmerman did not have to prove his innocence.
This case has highlighted how blissfully ignorant many prominant people are to our laws and legal system.
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If any good can come out of this its that I home people will realize than more and more Americans are legally carrying concealed weapons. You cannot just think you are going to kick someones butt who might of made you mad anymore like we did in the old days. Those days are gone forever, you cannot resort to physical violence anymore or you might get killed by someone who will legally claim self defense.
What story was told in this case, was told by Z. Personally, I didn't buy it at all.

To the contrary, this is a case where a gun should never have been in the hands of an unqualified person. Z originated the process, laying the ground work for this asassination.

I do like the word in your last line ...."claim.....".
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SpeakUp wrote:
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I would tend to feel that Z was in a calmer position-knowing he was armed to protect himSELF. Emergency situations are full of shoulda, coulda, woulda's. "IF" the dog hadn't stopped to take a poop, he'd have most likely caught the rabbit too.
What anyone feels is irrelevant to what happened. Justice doesn't care about your feelings and anyone else's. The facts remain, someone is dead because he made bad choices. He was being followed. He could have called the police but he chose to confront someone. Confront being the key word. Not simply question but confronted.

He was suspended from school for being in trouble and out on the streets wondering in the evening and on a school night. The guy was up to no good. His parents obviously didn't care either; otherwise he wouldn't have been out lurking around after dark in a strange neighborhood.

He wasn't some innocent kid, as has, been portrayed. He obviously had problems and his choices took him in a direction that led to his own demise.
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SpeakUp wrote:
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What story was told in this case, was told by Z. Personally, I didn't buy it at all.
To the contrary, this is a case where a gun should never have been in the hands of an unqualified person. Z originated the process, laying the ground work for this asassination.
I do like the word in your last line ...."claim.....".
Justice is blind to forms, colors, and personal opinions. The evidence was all given to the jurors and some even disallowed but they made their decision and they didn't ask for you personal perspective.

The kid died because he made his own "personal" choices. He made some really bad ones. He got shot

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SpeakUp wrote:
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Speculation has taken over your better judgement ability.
What your stating is obsurd and ridiculous. If a man's got a gun, you're going to hide yourself anywhere you can find to hide. With Z being armed, it's not likely M would just keep on walking as usual, making himself an open target. Sorry, but this is the real world, not speculation.
There was a reason M felt the need to hide from an armed man and had the armed man not "speculated" the way he did, indeed most likely M would have went on home with whatever he'd gone to the store for to begin with.
You are speculating that M even knew he was armed.

According to testimony at trial, Martin DID NOT know that Zimmerman was armed, until he attacked him and found the weapon, and then told Z that he was gonna die tonight.

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FYI wrote:
<quoted text>Justice is blind to forms, colors, and personal opinions. The evidence was all given to the jurors and some even disallowed but they made their decision and they didn't ask for you personal perspective.
The kid died because he made his own "personal" choices. He made some really bad ones. He got shot
Exactly!

Plus,
Martins family never wanted justice,

They wanted vengeance.

And was willing to label a Hispanic as a white man, to do so.
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Dershowitz to Newsmax:'Prosecutorial Tyrant' Violated Zimmerman's Rights
NewsMax ^| July 14, 2013 | David A. Patten
Famed Liberial defense lawyer and Harvard law professor Alan M. Dershowitz is calling for a federal investigation into civil rights violations stemming from the George Zimmerman case — but he says the probe should focus on prosecutorial misconduct rather than on allegations of racial profiling and bias.
Speaking Sunday in an exclusive Newsmax interview, Dershowitz said the jury’s finding that Zimmerman was not guilty of either second-degree murder or manslaughter was “the right verdict.”
He added,“There was reasonable doubt all over the place.”
Immediately after the verdict was announced, however, the NAACP and outspoken activist Al Sharpton called on the Justice Department to launch a federal civil-rights probe, charging that the case had been racially tainted.
Dershowitz is calling for a civil-rights probe as well. But he contends the person whose rights were violated was Zimmerman.
“I think there were violations of civil rights and civil liberties — by the prosecutor,” said the criminal-law expert.“The prosecutor sent this case to a judge, and willfully, deliberately, and in my view criminally withheld exculpatory evidence.”
He added:“They denied the judge the right to see pictures that showed Zimmerman with his nose broken and his head bashed in. The prosecution should be investigated for civil rights violations, and civil liberty violations.”(continued)
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