Why Believing in God Makes No Sense

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#84 Nov 3, 2013
Simple Fact 79 wrote:
<quoted text>Ok, so a little question for it. Let's look at the possible lives of two people.

Person A spends his youth committing rape, robbery, and murder. They are never caught by the police or held accountable in this world for their crimes. On their death bed they repent.

Person B is a doctor who spends their life healing and helping people. They do charity work at free clinics and give money as well. They break no laws and always do the best they can for everyone. They are an Atheist.

By your religious views Person A spends eternity in Heaven and is never punished in the next life, while Person B burns in Hell forever. Show me the supreme justice in this.
You can't take everything so literally.
But obviously person A's heart is heavier than a feather. His repent is made out of fear and he probably didn't mean it.

The Pope made a good case for person B.
Pa Kettle

Hazard, KY

#85 Nov 3, 2013
Acco'din' t'th' fine Book, all hoominity will be judged, chastised, an' purged of their evil heart an' carnal wicked mind, cuss it all t' tarnation. Sin an' evil is absolutely necessary in th' development of hoomin chareecker, virtue, an' love.

How hard is thet t'unnerstan'?

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#86 Nov 3, 2013
Yangster wrote:
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You can't take everything so literally.
But obviously person A's heart is heavier than a feather. His repent is made out of fear and he probably didn't mean it.
The Pope made a good case for person B.
You make the assumption that Person A is not sincere. What if they are? What then?

As for the Pope, his own Cardinals & Bishops keep coming out and saying some version of "That's not correct, you misunderstand".

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#87 Nov 3, 2013
Well if they are sincere they should go but I don't know and it's not my place. The preacher who supposedly killed those people in Danville. If he did do it and repents, and preaches the rest of his life in prison I don't think he should but I do not set the standards. No one knows and it's useless to guess. It's useless to fact check and point out the what ifs because you just find yourself in a circle. You claim to be a deist but I think it's a easy way around having to admit you don't have an answer, which would make you an agnostic. Religion is a thing to itself, the purposes that people have used it for and meaning people place upon it are the works of people. To do these things in a negative way is evil because religion is ultimately a source of good. That also goes for examining the misdeeds because they are done by humans. There is nothing good that can come of a thread like this. The OP may think he is doing people a favor but his heart is cold.

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#88 Nov 3, 2013
Yangster wrote:
Well if they are sincere they should go but I don't know and it's not my place. The preacher who supposedly killed those people in Danville. If he did do it and repents, and preaches the rest of his life in prison I don't think he should but I do not set the standards. No one knows and it's useless to guess. It's useless to fact check and point out the what ifs because you just find yourself in a circle. You claim to be a deist but I think it's a easy way around having to admit you don't have an answer, which would make you an agnostic. Religion is a thing to itself, the purposes that people have used it for and meaning people place upon it are the works of people. To do these things in a negative way is evil because religion is ultimately a source of good. That also goes for examining the misdeeds because they are done by humans. There is nothing good that can come of a thread like this. The OP may think he is doing people a favor but his heart is cold.
You missed the point. It proves that there is no true justic under the Christian faith. They scenario, while hypothetical, is far from improbable and in truth likely.

As to the new trend of trying seperate the evils caused by religion from the ideal version of it is a joke. It's like saying because the Founding a Fathers had a great idea for a nation that we are doing amazing today. It is the actions of a thing that determine it's worth, not it intent.

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#89 Nov 3, 2013
The actions of a few does not determine something's worth.

As for trying to find justice in Christianity, you have to be very open minded. You cannot understand parables without a little thought and it's easy to get the wrong meaning. A dozen different preachers can give you a dozen ideas. The books were written thousands of years ago.

I get your point but you do not get mine. You cannot disprove to a faithful person their religion and to try to wrong. It's not being a good person, plain and simple. Knowledge is dangerous and here is a case where spreading it is damaging.

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#90 Nov 3, 2013
Yangster wrote:
The actions of a few does not determine something's worth.
As for trying to find justice in Christianity, you have to be very open minded. You cannot understand parables without a little thought and it's easy to get the wrong meaning. A dozen different preachers can give you a dozen ideas. The books were written thousands of years ago.
I get your point but you do not get mine. You cannot disprove to a faithful person their religion and to try to wrong. It's not being a good person, plain and simple. Knowledge is dangerous and here is a case where spreading it is damaging.
Knowledge is never a bad thing. It is what is done with that knowledge that is either good or bad. Knowing how to build a bomb is a neutral effect. Building that bomb to blow up a school is bad. Using it to demolish a derelict building is useful and good thing. A doctors knowledge of anatomy can be used to heal or kill with the same ease. But the desire to stop the spread knowledge is a hallmark trait of almost all religions, Christianity and Islam being the worst.

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#91 Nov 3, 2013
It's dangerous when it hurts someone's sense of well being.

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#92 Nov 3, 2013
Yangster wrote:
It's dangerous when it hurts someone's sense of well being.
So it's bad when it reveals false beliefs? So if you believed you could fly like Superman and felt good about it, then it's bad for me to tell you that is wrong? That's just nonsense. That is basically saying that any idea that give you a warm fuzzy should be respected and accepted as valid. Sorry chum, not how life works. We have an obligation to live in the real world and that means dealing with the fact that not everything is rainbows and birthday cake.
Non Zealot

Edinburgh, IN

#93 Nov 4, 2013
My zealot detector is going crazy in this thread.

zeal·ot
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noun: zealot;&#8195;plural noun: zealots
1.
a person who is fanatical and uncompromising in pursuit of their religious, political, or other ideals.
Non Zealot

Edinburgh, IN

#94 Nov 4, 2013
How many hundreds of millions, oe maybe even billions of people have died in the name of religion throughout the millenia ?

Hard to say.

Do a Google search for "evil Popes" and read.

Oh, don't even bothe with the "Only Baptists are Christians" crap. Catholics were around LONG before the Baptist religion existed. We won't even mention the Jews..........

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#96 Nov 4, 2013
Simple Fact 79 wrote:
<quoted text>So it's bad when it reveals false beliefs? So if you believed you could fly like Superman and felt good about it, then it's bad for me to tell you that is wrong? That's just nonsense. That is basically saying that any idea that give you a warm fuzzy should be respected and accepted as valid. Sorry chum, not how life works. We have an obligation to live in the real world and that means dealing with the fact that not everything is rainbows and birthday cake.
Yes it is bad because it's not your belief to begin with. It should be respected because it's someone else's choice. I'm not talking about some crazy person who thinks they can fly, don't go look for foolish examples. Yeah it's not peaches and cream in the real world but you don't walk out the door everyday faced with a tough question to deal with and I don't see how you can make it a better place by condemning it. All you do is cause friction. We live in eastern Kentucky not Palestine, there is no need for it here and you aren't going to change anyone's mind. There is no obligations in life to find a meaning or disprove others and if you have taken one upon yourself then feel I sorry for you, because you will just find more time to be frustrated and discouraged.
agathodaemon

Manchester, KY

#97 Nov 4, 2013
Simple Fact 79 wrote:
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Knowledge is never a bad thing. It is what is done with that knowledge that is either good or bad. Knowing how to build a bomb is a neutral effect. Building that bomb to blow up a school is bad. Using it to demolish a derelict building is useful and good thing. A doctors knowledge of anatomy can be used to heal or kill with the same ease. But the desire to stop the spread knowledge is a hallmark trait of almost all religions, Christianity and Islam being the worst.
here in is where i'm going to use your words against you.

there is a good reason for keeping knowledge a secret based on the intent of the person. even in your western institutionalized organizations is knowledge limited only to those who show a high level of competency. only then do they graduate to a higher grade of learning.

you have this strange idea that western science isn't enculturated.

you are a respecter of persons. you have a bias based on whose wearing certain clothing. justice doesn't look at outward forms. it looks solely at actions.

the clothes do not make the man. whether a buddhist, christian, hindu, scientist, male, female, old, young, gay, straight, et al

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#98 Nov 4, 2013
Yangster wrote:
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Yes it is bad because it's not your belief to begin with. It should be respected because it's someone else's choice. I'm not talking about some crazy person who thinks they can fly, don't go look for foolish examples. Yeah it's not peaches and cream in the real world but you don't walk out the door everyday faced with a tough question to deal with and I don't see how you can make it a better place by condemning it. All you do is cause friction. We live in eastern Kentucky not Palestine, there is no need for it here and you aren't going to change anyone's mind. There is no obligations in life to find a meaning or disprove others and if you have taken one upon yourself then feel I sorry for you, because you will just find more time to be frustrated and discouraged.
The very purpose of all religion is provide "meaning" to life and explain the "big questions". So my question is this, why seek false answers? Just because they feel good? I feel very sorry for you if that is how you wish to live. It's a sad state when someone would rather live in the Land of Make Believe instead of facing reality.
jump

Manchester, KY

#99 Nov 4, 2013
boring how did everything become a debate belive what you want
S-F-i

Somerset, KY

#101 Nov 4, 2013
Simple Fact 79 wrote:
<quoted text>
Ok, so a little question for it. Let's look at the possible lives of two people.
Person A spends his youth committing rape, robbery, and murder. They are never caught by the police or held accountable in this world for their crimes. On their death bed they repent.
Person B is a doctor who spends their life healing and helping people. They do charity work at free clinics and give money as well. They break no laws and always do the best they can for everyone. They are an Atheist.
By your religious views Person A spends eternity in Heaven and is never punished in the next life, while Person B burns in Hell forever. Show me the supreme justice in this.
Person A repented knowing he did wrong. But. Person A and B both was born without Jesus Christ . While person B was a better person with a will of helping others. Person B never knew Jesus Christ as their redeemer.

What makes us Just isn't us at all. No it's our faith in Jesus Christ. Yes you can debate me and make logical arguments but this is in fact faith based. But God gave his word and with it signs as well to confirm to us his plan.

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#102 Nov 4, 2013
S-F-i wrote:
<quoted text>
Person A repented knowing he did wrong. But. Person A and B both was born without Jesus Christ . While person B was a better person with a will of helping others. Person B never knew Jesus Christ as their redeemer.
What makes us Just isn't us at all. No it's our faith in Jesus Christ. Yes you can debate me and make logical arguments but this is in fact faith based. But God gave his word and with it signs as well to confirm to us his plan.
Call them logical arguments if you like but they are the truth. You can claim 2+2=10 all day but that doesn't make it true, no matter how hard you believe. If you claim to be the children of a "just" God, and that can be proven false using nothing more than your own dogma, then it might be time to admit that something is rotten in the state of Denmark. But hey, religion has always had a problem with logic.
Non Zealot

Edinburgh, IN

#104 Nov 5, 2013
Simple Fact 79 wrote:
<quoted text>
Knowledge is never a bad thing. It is what is done with that knowledge that is either good or bad. Knowing how to build a bomb is a neutral effect. Building that bomb to blow up a school is bad. Using it to demolish a derelict building is useful and good thing. A doctors knowledge of anatomy can be used to heal or kill with the same ease. But the desire to stop the spread of knowledge is a hallmark trait of almost all religions, Christianity and Islam being the worst.
I couldn't agree more.

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#105 Nov 5, 2013
Non Zealot wrote:
<quoted text>I couldn't agree more.
Another thing you have to think about is the fact people do not know how to use knowledge. Yes it's the choicest we make but how can you not take that into its overall value. Human nature Overpopulation, degradation of land and waters, species extinction ect. Once people figured out planting seeds it changed the world. Look at what it has down to aborigine cultures throughout history. Yes it has been great for the advancement of mankind but we'll be dealing with the troubles it brings forever. It's from lack of knowledge or a disregard of the consequence's. You don't have to be religious to appreciate the symbolism of the story of Adam and Eve.
Whoa

Montréal, Canada

#106 Nov 6, 2013
Non Zealot wrote:
How many hundreds of millions, oe maybe even billions of people have died in the name of religion throughout the millenia ?
Hard to say.
Do a Google search for "evil Popes" and read.
Oh, don't even bothe with the "Only Baptists are Christians" crap. Catholics were around LONG before the Baptist religion existed. We won't even mention the Jews..........
"How many hundreds of millions, oe maybe even billions of people have died in the name of religion throughout the millenia ?"

Yeah, the liberal religion, where they deny Christ.
For it was probably democrats that killed Jesus. Democrats are Anti-Christ Anti-Americans that are living in the white house. And they now send USA tax support the Muslim Brotherhood's murdering of Christians: http://www.bing.com/search...

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