People are trapped, after they fly out of America

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Outrageous

Dallas, TX

#1 Mar 4, 2013
People are increasingly flying out of America, or moving away for a spell to work in another country, and finding they cannot return because of placement on the No-Fly list.



In one case, Rahinah Ibrahim, a PhD student at Stanford University, was detained on her way out of the country but eventually allowed to fly away. But when she tried to come back from a conference in Malaysia—one funded by Stanford at which she was doing a presentation—officials wouldn't let her on the plane, following instructions from the US Consulate.



That was eight years ago, and she's still stuck there.



Al Jazeera, which reports the story, calls cases like these exiles.



Excerpt:



"In the past year alone, the number of individuals placed by the Obama administration on the federal No-Fly list has doubled to over 10,000, with at least 500 being holders of American citizenship. A further 400,000 individuals of indeterminate citizenship are on a separate "watchlist" which flags them as being "reasonably suspicious" and potentially subject to exclusion. The names of those on these lists are not disclosed and neither is the reasoning or evidence as to why any particular individual may be flagged. The American Civil Liberties Union has represented many Americans who believe have been on the No-Fly list and have been banned from travelling for work or to visit family for reasons unknown to them. In the words of ACLU attorney Ben Wizner:



'People who are protected by the Constitution have a right to fundamental due process. If the United States government is going to maintain a watch list and prevent people from flying, there has to be some way for people to confront the evidence against them and rebut it.'”



Many of these persons are Muslims or are descendants of a Muslim-majority country. In some cases people are banned from flying back to America after refusing to spy on their communities.



“The subversion of the US justice system towards this end has been a legacy of the past decades erosion of civil liberties and has continued with even greater vigor under the Obama administration,” concludes the news agency.


http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/02/fly...
Bth

Fordyce, AR

#3 Mar 4, 2013
Outrageous wrote:
People are increasingly flying out of America, or moving away for a spell to work in another country, and finding they cannot return because of placement on the No-Fly list.
In one case, Rahinah Ibrahim, a PhD student at Stanford University, was detained on her way out of the country but eventually allowed to fly away. But when she tried to come back from a conference in Malaysia—one funded by Stanford at which she was doing a presentation—officials wouldn't let her on the plane, following instructions from the US Consulate.
That was eight years ago, and she's still stuck there.
Al Jazeera, which reports the story, calls cases like these exiles.
Excerpt:
"In the past year alone, the number of individuals placed by the Obama administration on the federal No-Fly list has doubled to over 10,000, with at least 500 being holders of American citizenship. A further 400,000 individuals of indeterminate citizenship are on a separate "watchlist" which flags them as being "reasonably suspicious" and potentially subject to exclusion. The names of those on these lists are not disclosed and neither is the reasoning or evidence as to why any particular individual may be flagged. The American Civil Liberties Union has represented many Americans who believe have been on the No-Fly list and have been banned from travelling for work or to visit family for reasons unknown to them. In the words of ACLU attorney Ben Wizner:
'People who are protected by the Constitution have a right to fundamental due process. If the United States government is going to maintain a watch list and prevent people from flying, there has to be some way for people to confront the evidence against them and rebut it.'”
Many of these persons are Muslims or are descendants of a Muslim-majority country. In some cases people are banned from flying back to America after refusing to spy on their communities.
“The subversion of the US justice system towards this end has been a legacy of the past decades erosion of civil liberties and has continued with even greater vigor under the Obama administration,” concludes the news agency.
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/02/fly...
You creep 8 years ago Bush was president;so blame him,coward.
Bth

Fordyce, AR

#4 Mar 4, 2013
but i know we are doomed to hear Obama blamed for bushes mistakes ,at least til Obama is gone,
sick

Clarks Summit, PA

#5 Mar 4, 2013
sick cowards will always blame bush. obama has had time to improve things in 4 yrs, but it keeps getting worse every day.
haha

Amsterdam, Netherlands

#6 Mar 4, 2013
Bth wrote:
<quoted text>You creep 8 years ago Bush was president;so blame him,coward.
you wont be any better off when you help your bammy kill off all the good hard working tax payers. you will get no funds for your food stamps and ssi checks no more.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/13/is-ob...

Since: Sep 09

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#7 Mar 4, 2013
You have to watch out for a lot of things while in other nations. Did you know there's several where if you have your feet propped up on something and you begin talking to someone in front of you it's a bad insult? If you show the soles of your shoes to him/her it's an insult.

And if you go to Mexico and eat at a restaurant you need to ask what kind of meat is in what you are about to order. In better restaurants you don't (they will tell you) but if in a smaller one off the main tourist route you better ask. In Mexico horse meat is used as a meat filler. Its legal and can even be ordered as the main meat.

Since: Sep 09

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#8 Mar 4, 2013
Outrageous wrote:
People are increasingly flying out of America, or moving away for a spell to work in another country, and finding they cannot return because of placement on the No-Fly list.
In one case, Rahinah Ibrahim, a PhD student at Stanford University, was detained on her way out of the country but eventually allowed to fly away. But when she tried to come back from a conference in Malaysia—one funded by Stanford at which she was doing a presentation—officials wouldn't let her on the plane, following instructions from the US Consulate.
That was eight years ago, and she's still stuck there.
Al Jazeera, which reports the story, calls cases like these exiles.
Excerpt:
"In the past year alone, the number of individuals placed by the Obama administration on the federal No-Fly list has doubled to over 10,000, with at least 500 being holders of American citizenship. A further 400,000 individuals of indeterminate citizenship are on a separate "watchlist" which flags them as being "reasonably suspicious" and potentially subject to exclusion. The names of those on these lists are not disclosed and neither is the reasoning or evidence as to why any particular individual may be flagged. The American Civil Liberties Union has represented many Americans who believe have been on the No-Fly list and have been banned from travelling for work or to visit family for reasons unknown to them. In the words of ACLU attorney Ben Wizner:
'People who are protected by the Constitution have a right to fundamental due process. If the United States government is going to maintain a watch list and prevent people from flying, there has to be some way for people to confront the evidence against them and rebut it.'”
Many of these persons are Muslims or are descendants of a Muslim-majority country. In some cases people are banned from flying back to America after refusing to spy on their communities.
“The subversion of the US justice system towards this end has been a legacy of the past decades erosion of civil liberties and has continued with even greater vigor under the Obama administration,” concludes the news agency.
http://beforeitsnews.com/politics/2013/02/fly...
I was going to mention who was President eight years ago but 'bth' beat me to it.
GOP

Winchester, KY

#12 Mar 4, 2013
___Jenny___ wrote:
<quoted text>
I was going to mention who was President eight years ago but 'bth' beat me to it.
What part of the following quote did you and bth fail to understand?

“The subversion of the US justice system towards this end has been a legacy of the past decades erosion of civil liberties and has continued with even greater vigor under the Obama administration,” concludes the news agency.
question

Somerset, KY

#13 Mar 4, 2013
GOP wrote:
<quoted text>
What part of the following quote did you and bth fail to understand?
“The subversion of the US justice system towards this end has been a legacy of the past decades erosion of civil liberties and has continued with even greater vigor under the Obama administration,” concludes the news agency.
What part of the following quote did you fail to understand?

That was eight years ago, and she's still stuck there.
Business man

Middlesboro, KY

#14 Mar 4, 2013
I'm sick of all the delays and safety checks at airports. We pay a premium price to be treated like a criminal. I now utilize private charters. They are a bit pricey, but I do not have to remove my shoes, or get a body scan. I get on board, have a couple beers , and read the paper. I will occasionally engage in conversation with the pilot. It's the only way to fly.
higgins

Los Angeles, CA

#15 Mar 5, 2013
question wrote:
<quoted text>
What part of the following quote did you fail to understand?
That was eight years ago, and she's still stuck there.
and odumbo surely will not let her get unstuck.
and he is using lots of things to keep playing the 'blame bush' game to the hilt.
and his race card is sooo old and worn its pitiful.
Ralph

London, KY

#16 Mar 5, 2013
State Department Warnings should be heeded. Even female muzzies.
Bth

London, KY

#17 Mar 5, 2013
haha wrote:
<quoted text>you wont be any better off when you help your bammy kill off all the good hard working tax payers. you will get no funds for your food stamps and ssi checks no more.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2013/01/13/is-ob...
sorry,charlie,don't get any free handouts.I even have to pay 25 extra a month on my phone bill because ky wants it for taxes,if i could or was able to even get 1 foodstamp , i wouldn't have to pay it.FROM THIS DAY FORWARD,WE ARE WARNED IF A PERSON ACCUSES ,another of anything,they are the one doing it,heee haaaw,so funny.
u lie

Los Angeles, CA

#18 Mar 7, 2013
Bth wrote:
<quoted text>sorry,charlie,don't get any free handouts.I even have to pay 25 extra a month on my phone bill because ky wants it for taxes,if i could or was able to even get 1 foodstamp , i wouldn't have to pay it.FROM THIS DAY FORWARD,WE ARE WARNED IF A PERSON ACCUSES ,another of anything,they are the one doing it,heee haaaw,so funny.
u are a big liar.
all libs are liars.

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