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Memphis, TN

#49 Jun 12, 2013
Like it or not the Hospital in London is a part of the St. Joseph Hospital Chain. It would be interesting to know the Helicopter Ambulance Patient Priority Protocol, Why London? Was their a specialist in London look around at the number of Heart Doctors here now. In certain Cases Minutes or even Seconds Count. Depending on the Condition a patient could be stabilized at St. Joseph London then transported to St. Joseph Lexington.
I want to know the findings of the NTSB investigation concerning this accident. It will be awhile but sooner or later we will have answers.
Seriously wrote:
I have an extremely hard time believing that this was a life saving trip. They flew a patient to London! Now I'm all for flying to patients to Lexington or Knoxville when necessary, but I'm not sure flying to London is a medical necessity. Flight trips should only be for life or death situations. Look at the expense. Not only monetary expense, but human life expense of the air evac team that can't be replaced. And I'm sure the patient didnt have a large say so in the decision to fly as method of transport. The hospital,staff probably placed them in a chopper and kindly billed their insurance or medical card. My insurance will refuse to pay if I take my children to the ER and its not a life or death emergency. I sure hope that the person in the flight was a life or death situation, otherwise, I'd hate to be the person who made the decision to fly the patient......to London! Aka the band aid station.
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st joe lover

Manchester, KY

#50 Jun 13, 2013
Seriously wrote:
I have an extremely hard time believing that this was a life saving trip. They flew a patient to London! Now I'm all for flying to patients to Lexington or Knoxville when necessary, but I'm not sure flying to London is a medical necessity. Flight trips should only be for life or death situations. Look at the expense. Not only monetary expense, but human life expense of the air evac team that can't be replaced. And I'm sure the patient didnt have a large say so in the decision to fly as method of transport. The hospital,staff probably placed them in a chopper and kindly billed their insurance or medical card. My insurance will refuse to pay if I take my children to the ER and its not a life or death emergency. I sure hope that the person in the flight was a life or death situation, otherwise, I'd hate to be the person who made the decision to fly the patient......to London! Aka the band aid station.
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St. joes London is far from a band aid station my friend.
heart breaking

London, KY

#52 Jun 13, 2013
Sounds like the copter was having trouble trying to land from the preliminary report.The news story is at the link...Here is part of it...

Recordings provided by the operator's operational control center, located in O'Fallon, Mo., revealed that the pilot reported arriving at the base at 11:12 p.m.

That transmission was acknowledged by the control center six seconds later.

At 11:15 p.m., an unidentified male voice was recorded. No other transmissions from the accident flight were captured., the report said.

The helicopter approached from the west, turned southeast and flew over the intended landing site about one mile. It turned north, then west and then southeast before crashing.

Several eyewitnesses reported that the weather was clear, and they stated that the helicopter was "spinning" before impact. One of those witnesses reported seeing the helicopter nose-up at about a 40-degree angle, and shortly after that, no engine sound was heard. Other witnesses, who reported dense fog in the area at the time, said that they only saw the helicopter just before the impact and subsequent explosion, the report said.

The helicopter came to rest about 750 feet from the intended landing area. According to security camera recordings, the helicopter erupted into a fireball immediately on impact.

The helicopter and engine were retained for further examination, the report said.

http://www.kentucky.com/2013/06/13/2676909/nt...
Bereaman

London, KY

#55 Jun 14, 2013
A helicopter trip is very expensive way to transport anyone. It should be only a life and death situation. Who makes this call? I have noticed too many times that a patient is transported by air vac, to wherever, and the patient is listed in good condition the very next day! It makes me ask---was the helicopter trip necessary or was it the almighty dollar that made the call? Just pay attention --- too many times these trips are for profit rather than health. The bottom of the bucket is closer than you think.
Seriously disgusted

Englewood, CO

#56 Jun 15, 2013
Ronnie James wrote:
id blame the person they had to fly to london that night, if not for whomever it was these three men would still be alive..was one life worth the three that were lost? so in my opinion whomever they flew out that night can personally hold themself responsible for these three mens lives
when your family was air-evaced to lexington you didn't say a word what if the chopper had crashed then??,OH but I guess that's different right Ronnie considering it was your family, and you were the one demanding they be flown and not taken by ambulance. and it wasn't even that life-threatning....Ronnie go sit down and shut your mouth, stop disrespecting these fine men who gave their lives saving others. May the Lord Bless them and their fellow MedVac Brothers and Sisters, May they fly safe
Bereaman

London, KY

#57 Jun 15, 2013
What about someone just getting the facts about this one particular trip. What expenses were incurred prior to the crash. Was the trip necessary from Clay co. to London by helicopter?
I feel very strongly that so many of these expensive modes of travel are unnecessary and just another way to rob medi-care or insurances co. in a approved way. Bottom line is the general public pays and our so called honest guys get richer. It is just a sad situation that someone had to die on this particular trip.
Flight Medic

United States

#58 Jun 15, 2013
Having been a flight medic, when a Helicopter is dispatched a lot of decisions lay in the hands of the Pilot. The Pilot does not know the type of patient for pick up. If the weather is bad for instance the pilot makes decisions regarding if a flight can be safe. If the Pilot knew the type of patient to be picked up then that might influence his judgment and take an unnecessary risk.
All medical decisions are made by the Medical staff once the patient is on board. Why did the Helicopter take a Patient to London? Well that would depend on the type of treatment needed. They are a number of specialists at St. Joseph's in London, Added to the fact that St. Joseph's is a Hospital chain.
I can also say that you want to transport a patient by air before they reach a life threating stage. In certain Emergencies you have what is called the golden hour. You have one hour to make major changes in a patients outcome that will influence the patients quality of life of loss of life. Hard decisions are made.
Hmmm

Williamsburg, KY

#59 Jun 15, 2013
Flight Medic wrote:
Having been a flight medic, when a Helicopter is dispatched a lot of decisions lay in the hands of the Pilot. The Pilot does not know the type of patient for pick up. If the weather is bad for instance the pilot makes decisions regarding if a flight can be safe. If the Pilot knew the type of patient to be picked up then that might influence his judgment and take an unnecessary risk.
All medical decisions are made by the Medical staff once the patient is on board. Why did the Helicopter take a Patient to London? Well that would depend on the type of treatment needed. They are a number of specialists at St. Joseph's in London, Added to the fact that St. Joseph's is a Hospital chain.
I can also say that you want to transport a patient by air before they reach a life threating stage. In certain Emergencies you have what is called the golden hour. You have one hour to make major changes in a patients outcome that will influence the patients quality of life of loss of life. Hard decisions are made.
And some of us can't afford health insurance. I wonder why?
Gun Fighter

Columbiana, AL

#60 Jun 15, 2013
During Vietnam Eddie was a Helicopter Crew Chief, mechanic. Not a Flight Officer. still being a crew chief is a big job and probably that is where he learned to love to fly.
respectful wrote:
Our hearts are so saddened for the families of all three men. What a shame that they died so tragically. I'm sure each was doing a job he loved. Our prayers and thoughts are sent to their families and their communities. Their jobs, like that of law enforcement officers, is so needed and often unappreciated until a tragedy occurs. I'm sure the patient transported to St. Joe London was a life and death transport and can realize that they may have saved his/her life but gave theirs. I'm sure the men and women who worked with Eddie at LCSO are hurt beyond words. He worked there so much longer than at his air flight job. They band together and I am sure they will extend every protocol possible to him and his family. It seems that he may have been given the opportunity to return to his first love--flying. I understand he was trained as a flight officer during the Vietnam War. How sad. God bless them.
Bereaman

London, KY

#61 Jun 21, 2013
Could someone tell me how much medicare or a insurance pays for a helicopter trip?
Does anyone know anymore on this particular trip?
Is this too sensitive or too early to discuss?
Gun Fighter

United States

#62 Jun 21, 2013
Bereaman wrote:
Could someone tell me how much medicare or a insurance pays for a helicopter trip?
Does anyone know anymore on this particular trip?
Is this too sensitive or too early to discuss?
You may find this article interesting:

http://www.nbcnews.com/id/34419018/ns/health-...

to answer your questions specifically the Government does publish a brochure as to what is covered see page 6:

http://www.medicare.gov/Publications/Pubs/pdf...
Interested Patient

United States

#63 Jun 21, 2013
from reading the publication:

http://www.medicare.gov/Publications/Pubs/pdf...

Medicare will pay 80% of the bill but it must be medically necessary.

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