Tax Breaks Disproportionately Benefit...
Blue Boy

Whitley City, KY

#62 Jun 12, 2013
Well wrote:
<quoted text>Thanks. Do you also find it immoral to treat Americans differently in what they owe for the cost of government if they receive the same services from government?
Absolutely. I continually hear liberals causing division between every group in America. Black vs white, rich vs poor, etc.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#63 Jun 12, 2013
Well wrote:
<quoted text>I have the solution. Let's start treating Americans equally. Every American ought to receive the same tax bill. After all, what justification is there to treat Americans differently in what they owe for the cost of government if everyone receives the same benefits from government? If we identify an American who is receiving benefits from government that other Americans cannot receive we should end that practice or extend the benefit to all Americans. If the argument is one in which some derisively claim that rich people should pay more for the cost of government because they receive more benefit from government, would they also argue that because the rich pay more for government's costs they should receive more government benefits? I doubt it. They would agree that the rich should pay more without giving consideration they should receive more from government if they pay more of government's costs. As I've said before, most Americans don't believe in equality under the law which is a sad reflection.
I am of the opinion that the wealthy receive disproportionate returns on tax cuts because they pay disproportionately the bulk of taxes. No rocket science there. That may be one of the few instances where government does treat Americans equally and I agree with the outcome.
I doubt if there is positive cause and effect between higher capital gains rates and better economic conditions. There are too many other economic factors to consider to simply equate better economic conditions to higher capital gains tax rates. When I studied partial derivatives in Calculus, my assumption if we held all economic factors constant and allowed the tax rates to increase would be lower economic growth.
But I would really like to hear your opinion on the morality of government treating Americans differently. That was what I wanted to talk to you about the most.
Because it's not the solution, because they are not on an equal scale except for 2 legs, 2 arms and the balance of the humanism. The human population can never be equal for multiple reasons.

I also think you're misunderstanding. We don't want the wealthy to pay the largest dollars in tax. We want the wealthy, who have gotten there through collecting the dollars back from the employees they've paid, to pay the employees a living wage so they then are capable of paying their own taxes. But the wealthy prefer paying the government more dollars because that's where laws are enacted to....suit their agenda. The American worker is incapable of passing a law to suit their agenda. No problem, Just pay our workers more and they in turn will take some tax burden off your back.

They pay a disproportionate amount of taxes because they make a disproportionate amount of income due to....choice. You see, there's also no rocket science requirement to figure out that even if they had to pay a worker 2 cents an hour under their tax rate to the govt., they'd pay the government instead of patronizing the people who helped get them where they are.

I believe the wealthy right now don't pay their fair share and they certainly didn't under GWB. Those lovely "equal" people took every damn dime they could get thru their taxcuts and gave our jobs to everyone else. If you support that, God help you. Then you are...among the greedy and certainly will need to check in at God's desk upon attempting to enter. And to say a billionaire desserves a welfare check is ascinine.
Blue Boy

Whitley City, KY

#64 Jun 12, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
<quoted text>Because it's not the solution, because they are not on an equal scale except for 2 legs, 2 arms and the balance of the humanism. The human population can never be equal for multiple reasons.

I also think you're misunderstanding. We don't want the wealthy to pay the largest dollars in tax. We want the wealthy, who have gotten there through collecting the dollars back from the employees they've paid, to pay the employees a living wage so they then are capable of paying their own taxes. But the wealthy prefer paying the government more dollars because that's where laws are enacted to....suit their agenda. The American worker is incapable of passing a law to suit their agenda. No problem, Just pay our workers more and they in turn will take some tax burden off your back.

They pay a disproportionate amount of taxes because they make a disproportionate amount of income due to....choice. You see, there's also no rocket science requirement to figure out that even if they had to pay a worker 2 cents an hour under their tax rate to the govt., they'd pay the government instead of patronizing the people who helped get them where they are.

I believe the wealthy right now don't pay their fair share and they certainly didn't under GWB. Those lovely "equal" people took every damn dime they could get thru their taxcuts and gave our jobs to everyone else. If you support that, God help you. Then you are...among the greedy and certainly will need to check in at God's desk upon attempting to enter. And to say a billionaire desserves a welfare check is ascinine.
Dr. Hypocrite,
You say the current administration is all about helping the poor. However, it appears until Obama's taxes become public he donated less than 1% to charity. I'll give you the breakdown. 2005:$77,315 to charity out of income of $1.66 million (4.6 percent)
2004:$2,500 out of $207,647 (1.2 percent)
2003:$3,400 out of $238,327 (1.4 percent)
2002:$1,050 out of $259,394 (0.4 percent)
The disparity between income and charitable contributions in 2002 is striking—less than half a penny on the dollar. So...you are going to tell me he is for the poor working class??? You continually bad mouth Romney but I wish you would check in on how much he gives. You say GWB took ever dime. You are correct because he donated one dime out of every dollar to charity. You have the audacity to say God may not let people in that want equal rates. You are a disgrace to any party! Shame on you.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#65 Jun 12, 2013
Are those percentage applicable to AGI or taxable income?

Romney's roster includes the Mormon Church, the X Romney alma mater, the X Romney alma mater, the X Romney alma mater, the X romney alma mater and his personal foundation. But wait a minute. He managed a few dollars for something ....real.

Did GWB donate one dime of every dollar of AGI, or, taxable income, or the FMV of his portfolio?

Get a grip stupid one. Go back to your trailor, chew your tobacco and spit the juice out on all your Tea Party sucks.

Oh, and I'm a very patient person.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#66 Jun 12, 2013
Romney bypassed ordinary tax by donating to his Mormon executorship, carries a $77,000 loss on Annie's horse, flipped ordinary income to capital by feeding it through his foundation and donations and by the time he played ring around the rosies, he wound up paying about 14%, which is 8% less than a ordinary working man. We won't talk about his Holding companies in multiple countries , the wife's blind trust he feeds the profit margins from Bain through or his approx. 15 foreign tax credits. But you can't understand anything past the subtraction of 2-digit numbers, copy or paste.

Financial treason.
Blue Boy

Whitley City, KY

#67 Jun 13, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
Are those percentage applicable to AGI or taxable income?

Romney's roster includes the Mormon Church, the X Romney alma mater, the X Romney alma mater, the X Romney alma mater, the X romney alma mater and his personal foundation. But wait a minute. He managed a few dollars for something ....real.

Did GWB donate one dime of every dollar of AGI, or, taxable income, or the FMV of his portfolio?

Get a grip stupid one. Go back to your trailor, chew your tobacco and spit the juice out on all your Tea Party sucks.

Oh, and I'm a very patient person.
Dr. Liar,
The answer is yes. I think you made my point. Romney has continually paid tons of money to charity. I think that says more than words but Romney isn't no longer the subject matter. I guess you are trying to blame Obama lying about being a Christian (1/10) on Bush??? LOL How pitiful is it that you must go to GW in an attempt to defend Obama.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#68 Jun 15, 2013
I was reading abit today and read about a billionaire in Japan that spent $23.5M on an Ipod controlled Yacht, which took 5 yrs. to build! Just wanted to share that. I guess that sort of equals monies spent by some in the U.S. on a piece of Art!

I also read today where my forethought was proven. This whole IRS thing is about nothing but the Republican/Conservative Party trying to destroy the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. The wealthy simply don't want the average person having health insurance. They want to keep poor people humble.

P.S. Romney has paid millions to:

the Mormons
the Alma Mater
the Alma Mater
the Alma Mater
the Alma Mater
the Alma Mater

I bet he also was Tag's biggest investor in VOTING MACHINES. Trouble is. Tag must have selected ones that were actually working on election day! lol
Blue Boy

Whitley City, KY

#69 Jun 15, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
I was reading abit today and read about a billionaire in Japan that spent $23.5M on an Ipod controlled Yacht, which took 5 yrs. to build! Just wanted to share that. I guess that sort of equals monies spent by some in the U.S. on a piece of Art!

I also read today where my forethought was proven. This whole IRS thing is about nothing but the Republican/Conservative Party trying to destroy the implementation of the Affordable Care Act. The wealthy simply don't want the average person having health insurance. They want to keep poor people humble.

P.S. Romney has paid millions to:

the Mormons
the Alma Mater
the Alma Mater
the Alma Mater
the Alma Mater
the Alma Mater

I bet he also was Tag's biggest investor in VOTING MACHINES. Trouble is. Tag must have selected ones that were actually working on election day! lol
Dr. Dodge the Question,
More lies born from a liar. Try to keep up with the subject matter for goodness sake.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#70 Jun 15, 2013
Steve Cohen spends more on one piece of art than Obama and entourage on 2.5 trips to Africa. Did I mention he's a billionaire? You know. Those kind that need taxcuts so badly....so they can buy another Mono Lisa while not offering jobs and things like that...you know, the small stuff.
Blue Boy

Whitley City, KY

#71 Jun 15, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
Steve Cohen spends more on one piece of art than Obama and entourage on 2.5 trips to Africa. Did I mention he's a billionaire? You know. Those kind that need taxcuts so badly....so they can buy another Mono Lisa while not offering jobs and things like that...you know, the small stuff.
So...that makes it okay??? Is that truly your answer??? Lol
Mr. Cohen buying art makes it okay to waist money on an African safari! Well that's news for sure. I'll bet a lot of people having to take furloughs truly would love to have that option. This should truly outrage people.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#72 Jun 15, 2013
Security requirements are not White House driven, yet are Secret Service driven.

Colossal efforts are always put in place to protect a U.S. Commander-in-Chief on trips abroad.

Our sitting President is Commander-in-Chief. The only exception is, the wealth-supported Congress thinks President Obama is an exception to a rule that's applied to all others.
Blue Boy

Whitley City, KY

#73 Jun 16, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
Security requirements are not White House driven, yet are Secret Service driven.
Colossal efforts are always put in place to protect a U.S. Commander-in-Chief on trips abroad.
Our sitting President is Commander-in-Chief. The only exception is, the wealth-supported Congress thinks President Obama is an exception to a rule that's applied to all others.
You dodged the questions again. Are you not capable of answering a question? I'm beginning to doubt your statement about you obtaining a PhD.

I haven't seen anyone disagree that he has security requirements so I have no idea who you are arguing with. The problem is with his whole family going on holiday when other programs and people are suffering. I know a lot of abused and battered women's programs that could really use that money.
Ralph

London, KY

#74 Jun 16, 2013
Medical bills have been found to be sent disporortionately to the ill and injured.

Property Tax bills disporportionately sent to property owners.

Medical degrees disporportionately go to college grads.

So tax break go to those that actually pay taxes. yawn
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#75 Jun 16, 2013
Blue Boy wrote:
<quoted text>
You dodged the questions again. Are you not capable of answering a question? I'm beginning to doubt your statement about you obtaining a PhD.
I haven't seen anyone disagree that he has security requirements so I have no idea who you are arguing with. The problem is with his whole family going on holiday when other programs and people are suffering. I know a lot of abused and battered women's programs that could really use that money.
I hope you're one of the battered, that's all.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#76 Jun 16, 2013
Ralph wrote:
Medical bills have been found to be sent disporortionately to the ill and injured.
Property Tax bills disporportionately sent to property owners.
Medical degrees disporportionately go to college grads.
So tax break go to those that actually pay taxes. yawn
And here all the time you opposed distribution of wealth. That's not called "tax".
Blue Boy

Whitley City, KY

#77 Jun 16, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
<quoted text>I hope you're one of the battered, that's all.
Dr. Hypocrite,
I bet you do but you still appear to be incapable of answering any questions.

You are starting to show your true colors it appears. People being battered is nothing to jest about. You should be ashamed. I guess that's what people turn to when they cannot debate.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#78 Jun 17, 2013
Mr. Spock, I see no intelligent life here...at all!

NOT A ONE has addressed my first post and counter it. But I do see posts that keep stating over and over, as a result of the lack of gray matter, that "...what people turn to when they cannot debate".Funny little thing.
Well

Louisville, KY

#79 Jun 18, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
Mr. Spock, I see no intelligent life here...at all!
NOT A ONE has addressed my first post and counter it. But I do see posts that keep stating over and over, as a result of the lack of gray matter, that "...what people turn to when they cannot debate".Funny little thing.
I addressed it. You just didn't like my solution.
SpeakUp

Eustis, FL

#80 Jun 18, 2013
Well wrote:
<quoted text>I addressed it. You just didn't like my solution.
That's the part I like about freedom of choice.
Blue Boy

Whitley City, KY

#81 Jun 18, 2013
SpeakUp wrote:
<quoted text>That's the part I like about freedom of choice.
Dr. No Clue,
There is a saying "If you have been married ten times it could be you". Everyone continues to say you are a idiot concerning your view points.

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