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#1
Dec 16, 2009
 
We had gone out to see Mattie this past week....everything is gone...no trace of ANYTHING. We put a picture of her up years ago..racked the rocks, etc. Nothing..not a trace of anything now!!!! What happened????? We are sick about it.
Edward Gomez

Killeen, TX

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Dec 17, 2009
 
I heard the Park Service removed all signs of the grave to actually protect the grave itself.

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Superior, Arizona

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#3
Dec 23, 2009
 
Unfortunately the wrought iron placard and picture that was mounted to the railroad tie were stolen last year. My great, great, great, great grandmother is buried in that cemetery about 20 yards from Mattie Earp - my family has also been sick/disgusted with the vandalism
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Goodyear, AZ

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#4
Dec 28, 2009
 
It is a sad thing that people in our country have gotten so low down as to take to vandalizing graves. And it's all due to the internet and the influx of low lifes into our state. Ten years ago, very few people knew about those graves. Very Sad.
Edward Gomez

Killeen, TX

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#5
Dec 29, 2009
 
Very true indeed. I grew up in Superior and had many parties out in the "boonies" but would have never disrespected hollow ground. I'm assuming most of the vandalism DOES come from locals raising cain in the wild. I don't think tourists going out of the way to visit the grave due to finding the coordinates on the 'net would do such a thing though.
american cowgirl

Gilbert, AZ

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#6
Apr 6, 2010
 
Im sorry to hear about the site for Mattie-- WE were fortunate to get pictures of the grave marker about 2 years ago-and were thrilled to be able to "tour" the graveyard. I hate that people think they have the right to take from these sights - even tho the sight is very old, people still care, whether family, generations later or just people who enjoy history.
michael daniels

Calverton, NY

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#7
Dec 23, 2010
 
very sad :( SMH in disgust..... F'n HUMANS!
DeweyD

Peoria, AZ

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Jan 1, 2011
 

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It was not vandals, the Tonto National Park Service took it down. When I questioned the archogilist he stated "Mattie was nothing but a prostitute and alcholic, who cares". I pointed our first and formost she was a human being. We are willing and able to put up a new marker. We have not been able to get TFS to give us permission to replace this marker with something they would find agreeable. They are stone walling us, even letters to our Senators have gained us anything.
Eddie Gomez

Temple, TX

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#9
Jan 5, 2011
 
No matter what negative perceptions people have of Mattie, she is a part of history just like Wyatt Earp, Doc Holliday and Johnny Ringo are. Johnny Ringo was an outlaw and has gravesite markers that aren't being removed. I think there is just an attempt to limit visibility of the Pinal Cemetery because it is too much for the Forest Service to be willing to maintain.
Disappointed

Gilbert, AZ

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#10
Apr 6, 2011
 
I drove to the cemetery not knowing there was nothing there for Mattie. I was very disappointed... note even something that said she was there somewhere. This is history...why are we hiding it?
eva

Albuquerque, NM

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#11
Nov 27, 2011
 
Has TFS come back to you on this? I would be willing to generate interest if need be. As an Az history buff we were headed out to visit Mattie. To find this forum is not only disappointing but also frustrating...especially to find out an agency who is formed to protect our heritage and land dismantled a gravesite. There must be more to this...but to simply state she's a prostitute isn't the right answer. Even if they were to reconstruct it...it wouldn't be from original material. And what about the others buried there? It's simply disrespectful.
mxgirl77

Hutchinson, MN

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#12
Dec 27, 2011
 
been there years ago before my mother in law passed away we werent looking for it just stumbled cross it
Smokeydebar

Phoenix, AZ

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Jan 10, 2012
 
eva wrote:
Has TFS come back to you on this? I would be willing to generate interest if need be. As an Az history buff we were headed out to visit Mattie. To find this forum is not only disappointing but also frustrating...especially to find out an agency who is formed to protect our heritage and land dismantled a gravesite. There must be more to this...but to simply state she's a prostitute isn't the right answer. Even if they were to reconstruct it...it wouldn't be from original material. And what about the others buried there? It's simply disrespectful.
A grave site was not dismantled but an illegally constructed monument placed without Forest Service consultation or approval was removed. From the dog burials, "ghosters," those who want to "clean-up" the cemetery, partying, increased traffic/visitation and the resulting vandalism, I've watched the Pinal Cemetery degrade which accelerated when the monument was placed in the summer of 1995. It evolved into her de-facto grave with numerous embellishments which would have included an iron rail fence if the person constructing it had not been caught and told to remove his work. While more than enough respect has been shown to the memory of Mattie Earp the others interred are virtually forgotten and ignored by the casual visitor. Yes, you are right, this is more to this..........
Pearl McFarland

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May 7, 2012
 
It is very sad indeed that a pioneering woman from the 1800's should be treated with such disrespect. Although Mattie appeared to have lead a dissolute life style, l would imagine quite a few decent women in those times would have had to adapt to this life style in order to survive. Anyone who defiles a sacred place of burial is a total moron.
Mike Jones

Chandler, AZ

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Jul 27, 2012
 
DeweyD wrote:
It was not vandals, the Tonto National Park Service took it down. When I questioned the archogilist he stated "Mattie was nothing but a prostitute and alcholic, who cares". I pointed our first and formost she was a human being. We are willing and able to put up a new marker. We have not been able to get TFS to give us permission to replace this marker with something they would find agreeable. They are stone walling us, even letters to our Senators have gained us anything.
This is vandal by authority. Martty had other skills, women in those days had few if any real opportunities. Guess why?..because men only wanted only one thing, not real skills. Most prostitutes were not positutes by choice...again she,(Matty) is still judged by male jerks or call them educated fools if you will.
Mike Jones

Chandler, AZ

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Jul 27, 2012
 

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Pearl McFarland wrote:
It is very sad indeed that a pioneering woman from the 1800's should be treated with such disrespect. Although Mattie appeared to have lead a dissolute life style, l would imagine quite a few decent women in those times would have had to adapt to this life style in order to survive. Anyone who defiles a sacred place of burial is a total moron.
Pearl, you are exactly correct. In those days respectability was not an option for many of those women, even if they had other skills. Anyone who defiles such hollow grounds, I don't have the words in my vocabulary to describe them not matter who they are.
Smokeydebar

Phoenix, AZ

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Aug 9, 2012
 
Mike Jones wrote:
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This is vandal by authority. Martty had other skills, women in those days had few if any real opportunities. Guess why?..because men only wanted only one thing, not real skills. Most prostitutes were not positutes by choice...again she,(Matty) is still judged by male jerks or call them educated fools if you will.
Unauthorized vandalism by uneducated fools is OK!?
Apachemama

Show Low, AZ

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Aug 23, 2012
 

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DeweyD, your efforts to pursue erecting another acceptable marker are admirable. Those history buffs who enjoyed paying their respects to each and every gravesite where Mattie rests are disgusted to find there are still some who ignorantly make statements regarding women of the 1800's who were only trying to survive while being treated as second class persons having little to none opportunities. If, in fact, it was the Forest Service who removed the marker, shame on you. This is our history and we do care. What is wrong with this world when it is wrong to pay respects to those who have passed leaving momentos at the gravesite? I think Mattie would appreciate the tokens, coins, flowers and poker chips left honoring her difficult life. As for Smokeydebar, maybe you should stop smoking that stuff and educate yourself...And you Forest Service employees, why don't you take another break!
Mike

Phoenix, AZ

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Nov 7, 2012
 

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You win both titles, these grounds are still hallow grounds. Such ignorant attitudes makes Mattie look superior all the time.
Smokeydebar

Phoenix, AZ

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Nov 26, 2012
 
Mike wrote:
You win both titles, these grounds are still hallow grounds. Such ignorant attitudes makes Mattie look superior all the time.
Whatever Mike.

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